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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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[ ] Plan: Return of the Gift Giver
-[ ] Render Aid: [Cost: 1 retainer action] 1 Retainer Action
-[ ] Hold Founding: [Cost 6 actions] Productivity Like no Other will proc. 3 Actions.
--[ ] A Favour from Otrek: [Cost: 10 Favour from Kraka Drakk] 70 Kraka Drakk Favour
-[ ] [Simple] Yorri's Request: [Cost: 2 apprentice actions] 2 Apprentice Actions.
--[] Accept

This plan is only slightly joking. I want to create the new hold in one turn, and I'd like to make up for the decade's worth of gifts we missed by giving the biggest gift ever. (Snorri doesn't know the meaning of the word Overkill afterall.)
 
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Doctor Elsewhere said:
[ ] Plan: Return of the Gift Giver
-[ ] Render Aid 1 Retainer Action
-[ ] Hold Founding [Cost 6 actions] Productivity Like no Other will proc. 3 Actions.
--[ ] A Favour from Otrek: [Cost: 10 Favour from Kraka Drakk] 70 Kraka Drakk Favour
-[ ] [Simple] Yorri's Request. 2 Apprentice Actions.
--[] Accept

This plan is only slightly joking. I want to create the new hold in one turn, and I'd like to make up for the decade's worth of gifts we missed by giving the biggest gift ever. (Snorri doesn't know the meaning of the word Overkill afterall.)
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I would be pretty happy if this plan won, especially since it neatly slaps the Yorri request out.
 
soulcake said:
(*New*)[ ] Hold Founding: [Cost 6 actions] Productivity Like no Other will proc. This is a great deal of work, one devoted wholly to crafting, ordering and coordinating with the survivors of Dum to properly supply them with the material necessary to found a Hold. While technically less difficult, the sheer scale of material required will be more than enough to make such a thing quite the daunting task indeed.
- [ ] Clerical Aid: [Cost: 10 Favour from the Cult of Valaya] Can be taken multiple times. Gain 1 progress. Who better for such a thing than the Cult of Valaya? Their expertise and pull will doubtlessly speed things along a good deal.
- [ ] A Favour from Otrek: [Cost: 10 Favour from Kraka Drakk] Can be taken multiple times. Gain 1 progress. You have some amount of influence on King Otrek. Normally you have little need or desire to ask him for aid, much to his dismay, but here the pull and weight of a King can be of great use. At the very least it will help the man lessen the crushing weight of the debt he and his Clan owe you. Sometimes you wonder if you went overboard. Bah, nonsense!
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Hmm. Maybe 2 Snorri actions + 1 PLNO actions + 1 Clerical Aid + 1 Favor From Otrek + 1 apprentice action to get it done, with an apprentice action left over to start on Yorri's commission. Then we fill the last slot with an Odd Places action (have we taken Karstah and Nain on one of those field trips before?) or something from the research backlog. Next turn, our apprentices finish Yorri's commission and still have an action left for going out and doing apprentice commissions.
 
Doctor Elsewhere said:
[ ] Plan: Return of the Gift Giver
-[ ] Render Aid: [Cost: 1 retainer action] 1 Retainer Action
-[ ] Hold Founding: [Cost 6 actions] Productivity Like no Other will proc. 3 Actions.
--[ ] A Favour from Otrek: [Cost: 10 Favour from Kraka Drakk] 70 Kraka Drakk Favour
-[ ] [Simple] Yorri's Request: [Cost: 2 apprentice actions] 2 Apprentice Actions.
--[] Accept
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Are you spending 60 more Kraka Drakk favor than necessary on purpose as a flex, or as a typo? 3 actions + Productivity Like No Other would be five actins, so completing the action would only require 1 use of A Favour from Otrek.
 
I would remind that [Simple] requests aren't able to do much with overflow. They can take some but I think anymore than 3 would just be wasted.

I would also like for us to stop going quite so overboard with the overflow from now on. We've got things to do stacked to the ceiling so I'd like for us to be a bit more efficient with our actions.

I am personally in Favour of using 50 Favour and a single action for the hold building.
 
Doctor Elsewhere said:
[ ] Plan: Return of the Gift Giver
-[ ] Render Aid: [Cost: 1 retainer action] 1 Retainer Action
-[ ] Hold Founding: [Cost 6 actions] Productivity Like no Other will proc. 3 Actions.
--[ ] A Favour from Otrek: [Cost: 10 Favour from Kraka Drakk] 70 Kraka Drakk Favour
-[ ] [Simple] Yorri's Request: [Cost: 2 apprentice actions] 2 Apprentice Actions.
--[] Accept

This plan is only slightly joking. I want to create the new hold in one turn, and I'd like to make up for the decade's worth of gifts we missed by giving the biggest gift ever. (Snorri doesn't know the meaning of the word Overkill afterall.)
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Far as I'm concerned this plan has my vote. Only thing I'd change is I'd bring in the Valaya clerics just to ensure that these refugees get the best care. We are from a clan that holds her in high esteem and I think it'd be a good way to honor our mother's memory to get them involved in setting up a new hold for those that need it.
 
notanautomaton said:
Are you spending 60 more Kraka Drakk favor than necessary on purpose as a flex, or as a typo? 3 actions + Productivity Like No Other would be five actins, so completing the action would only require 1 use of A Favour from Otrek.
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We as a questbase like going above and beyond when possible, for the narrative effects of generosity and helping as much as possible.
 
Doctor Elsewhere said:
[ ] Plan: Return of the Gift Giver
-[ ] Render Aid: [Cost: 1 retainer action] 1 Retainer Action
-[ ] Hold Founding: [Cost 6 actions] Productivity Like no Other will proc. 3 Actions.
--[ ] A Favour from Otrek: [Cost: 10 Favour from Kraka Drakk] 70 Kraka Drakk Favour
-[ ] [Simple] Yorri's Request: [Cost: 2 apprentice actions] 2 Apprentice Actions.
--[] Accept

This plan is only slightly joking. I want to create the new hold in one turn, and I'd like to make up for the decade's worth of gifts we missed by giving the biggest gift ever. (Snorri doesn't know the meaning of the word Overkill afterall.)
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My only problem is putting the apprentices on the Yorri action. If we have them help with the hold they will get a chance to build relationships in a runesmith starved hold which will help them a lot if they go there as journeydawi. I'd propose:

[ ] Plan Santa the Hold Founder
-[ ] Hold Founding: [Cost 6 actions] 3 Snorri Actions, 2 Apprentice actions
-- [ ] A Favour from Otrek: Spend 50 Favour.
- [ ] Render Aid: 1 Retainer Action

We still have them next turn to do the axes.
 
UlseDovThur said:
I would remind that [Simple] requests aren't able to do much with overflow. They can take some but I think anymore than 3 would just be wasted.

I would also like for us to stop going quite so overboard with the overflow from now on. We've got things to do stacked to the ceiling so I'd like for us to be a bit more efficient with our actions.

I am personally in Favour of using 50 Favour and a single action for the hold building.
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So this is the largest thing we've uh, I think ever been involved in and in that sense the difference between 40 and 50 Favor (with two actions) or 50 and 60 Favor (With one snorri action) is probably pretty immaterial. Given this is on the same sort of scale as the underway or defense work its probably got similar space to stuff on the legendary level, so 3-4 seems reasonable for a space to me. A solid round 10 actions into it gets a wad of overflow in with a likely minimized chance for waste.
 
[] Plan Build That Hold and Rune Metal
-[] The Rune Metal Pt. 1b: [Cost: 8 actions] 2 actions
-[] Render Aid. 1 Retainer Action.
-[] Hold Founding: [Cost 6 actions] Productivity Like no Other will proc. This is a great deal of work, one devoted wholly to crafting, ordering and coordinating with the survivors of Dum to properly supply them with the material necessary to found a Hold. While technically less difficult, the sheer scale of material required will be more than enough to make such a thing quite the daunting task indeed. 2 Apprentice Actions. 1 Actions.
--[] A Favour from Otrek: [Cost: 10 Favour from Kraka Drakk] Can be taken multiple times. Gain 1 progress. You have some amount of influence on King Otrek. Normally you have little need or desire to ask him for aid, much to his dismay, but here the pull and weight of a King can be of great use. At the very least it will help the man lessen the crushing weight of the debt he and his Clan owe you. Sometimes you wonder if you went overboard. Bah, nonsense! 50 Kraka Drakk Favor
-[] [Simple] Yorri's Request: [Cost: 2 apprentice actions] Due whenever.
--[] Accept

Based off Bungie's plan, it puts two actions into Rune Metal and 2 overflow into Hold Founding. It would be cool to finish gromril chain in time to add it to the Valkyrie guard comission and starting sooner is better.
 
BungieONI said:
So this is the largest thing we've uh, I think ever been involved in and in that sense the difference between 40 and 50 Favor (with two actions) or 50 and 60 Favor (With one snorri action) is probably pretty immaterial. Given this is on the same sort of scale as the underway or defense work its probably got similar space to stuff on the legendary level, so 3-4 seems reasonable for a space to me. A solid round 10 actions into it gets a wad of overflow in with a likely minimized chance for waste.
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I mean that's fine. Would just prefer that overflow comes from burning Favour with Otrek or the Cult of Valaya and we put our Actions to something else that actually needs our actions to do.

Like I said we have so much to do so I'd like for us to be a bit less crazy about overflowing anything and everything, yeah?
 
UlseDovThur said:
I mean that's fine. Would just prefer that overflow comes from burning Favour with Otrek or the Cult of Valaya and we put our Actions to something else that actually needs our actions to do.

Like I said we have so much to do so I'd like for us to be a bit less crazy about overflowing anything and everything, yeah?
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Yeah, that's why I put up a plan for starting rune metal now with two actions. Still uses Otrek's favor for 2 overflow so should be fine there as well.
 
Question for the thread, am I missing something that is preventing us from asking the Valayan clerics for help in it? Feels odd to leave them out of this if we have the option.
 
soulcake said:
- [ ] A Favour from Otrek: [Cost: 10 Favour from Kraka Drakk] Can be taken multiple times. Gain 1 progress. You have some amount of influence on King Otrek. Normally you have little need or desire to ask him for aid, much to his dismay, but here the pull and weight of a King can be of great use. At the very least it will help the man lessen the crushing weight of the debt he and his Clan owe you. Sometimes you wonder if you went overboard. Bah, nonsense!
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This is what you could call a hint. :p

And hmm, Understanding the Master Rune of Waking would probably be a good idea. Doing that might even proc research on both The Movement of Things and The Mind of Things.

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(*New*)[ ] The Movement of Things Pt. 4: [Cost: (10 -1) =9 actions] Student of the Odd and Mind for Constructs will proc. With all of the extant examples of the Rune you now have thanks to your trade with Valma, you now have a deeper understanding of just what parts of it draws upon the Deep Magic. Improving the strength, efficiency and utility of the Rune of Waking can't be feasibly done through simple, relatively speaking, changes now. No, you can already tell that you'll have to manipulate the connection to the Deep Magic somehow.

(*Updated*)[ ] The Mind of Things Pt. 3: [Cost: (10 -3) =7 actions] Student of the Odd and Mind for Constructs will proc. The Rune of Forged Limb has made you curious. Due mostly to the fact that it shares a seemingly unnecessary connection to the Master Rune of Waking and a whole host of other Runes. What exactly lies behind such a concept? Understanding the connection between mind and body, and how Runes play into such a thing could prove valuable, perhaps even key, to not only for future prosthetics but maybe even more esoteric avenues of research. Bah, who's to say?
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"Hmph. It seems my vote for you at Rhunkalbrogg wasn't misplaced. Not that I believed it such, but the confirmation is still appreciated," the Gift Giver grouses nonchalantly, signing the contract swiftly and concisely.

Valma almost chokes on her drink, and it is all she can do to maintain her composure at that revelation.
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soulcake said:
The look on her face though.

HA!

Probably had no clue where to start, did she?
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And here we see a Dwarf Elder imparting wisdom, and we also see the target of such figuring out an important lesson: No matter how old you are or if your station in comparable, your Elder will always find a way to make you look like a Beardling.
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The knowledge and of itself is both disquieting and makes an odd amount of sense.
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Finally some IC knowlege on how the Winds work with Runesmiths, even if it's just confirmation.
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Ancestors, Snerra is old enough now that she could be considered someone's Elder.

Karstah and Nain are almost ready for their own trial as well.

Of all the things to make you feel your age.
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Hey, it's not that bad yet. You're not superimposing their images on people that resemble them, both in appearance and in mannerisms, while you needing to remind yourself that they are gone.
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That makes eight of them now, the boy's Clan is certainly ecstatic at the news you reckon. Hopefully, your fool apprentice hadn't named this one as poorly as he had poor poor Dolgi.
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Yes Dolgi, continue having children, Dolgi. Multiply until you run out names for the kids, Dolgi.


*Cough*

soulcake said:
- [ ] Clerical Aid: [Cost: 10 Favour from the Cult of Valaya] Can be taken multiple times. Gain 1 progress. Who better for such a thing than the Cult of Valaya? Their expertise and pull will doubtlessly speed things along a good deal.
- [ ] A Favour from Otrek: [Cost: 10 Favour from Kraka Drakk] Can be taken multiple times. Gain 1 progress. You have some amount of influence on King Otrek. Normally you have little need or desire to ask him for aid, much to his dismay, but here the pull and weight of a King can be of great use. At the very least it will help the man lessen the crushing weight of the debt he and his Clan owe you. Sometimes you wonder if you went overboard. Bah, nonsense!
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Appreciated, but unneded. We can finish it this turn with help from the apprentices, no need to spend favor.
 
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argenten said:
Question for the thread, am I missing something that is preventing us from asking the Valayan clerics for help in it? Feels odd to leave them out of this if we have the option.
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I'm not doing it because I want to save favor with them, we only have 50. I'm pretty certain we can give them the best care without pulling the clerics in.
 
UlseDovThur said:
I mean that's fine. Would just prefer that overflow comes from burning Favour with Otrek or the Cult of Valaya and we put our Actions to something else that actually needs our actions to do.

Like I said we have so much to do so I'd like for us to be a bit less crazy about overflowing anything and everything, yeah?
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I do kinda wanna put at least 2 of Snorri's actions into it to trigger Productivity, just so the narrative effect of 'Florida Kraka Drakk dwarf builds almost the entirety of a new hold in a single decade' is in full effect. Mayhaps dump the leftover one into designing a commission or researching Rune Metal B?
 
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