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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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soulcake said:
Derna is the actual version. I do recall having Valka and Strona but they were old drafts of which I appear to have not been as thorough in clearing as I thought. Not sure how it happened twice though, probably brain farted and didnt bother to check the char list I have. Ty ty.
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Thanks! And on another note, I asked about the Trinket that Gazul gave Snorri earlier. I checked the Vault and there isn't any mention of it.

Edit: On another unrelated note, shouldn't the Wardstones in the Vault have the runes placed on them mentioned? I mean, it'd be easy enough to go to the Karag Dum Finale, or are they not mentioned because they're Mundane items?
 
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BelligerentGnu said:
Gimli is very much taking after Gramps, I see. We should make him some armour of his own, given that he's shaping up to be a lead-from-the-front type. I'm sure his huskarls will thank us.
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Isn't Gramps planning on standing down soon, at which point his dad gets the king's armour and he gets the prince's armour. If we were going to make him something it should be something that works with the king's set or the heir's set or ideally both.
 
BelligerentGnu said:
Gimli is very much taking after Gramps, I see. We should make him some armour of his own, given that he's shaping up to be a lead-from-the-front type. I'm sure his huskarls will thank us.
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That may not be necessary. It has been implied that Otrek is entering his final years, and when the Zorn Immigrant's situation gets stable he will pass on. When that happens, his armor will be passed down to Gloin and the latter's to Gimli.
 
ConfusedCanuck said:
Gazul gave us his Rune to add to the collection
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Did he though? I don't see any wording about it being Gazul's Master rune, and we have the mundane one.

Jreengus said:
Isn't Gramps planning on standing down soon, at which point his dad gets the king's armour and he gets the prince's armour. If we were going to make him something it should be something that works with the king's set or the heir's set or ideally both.
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EldritchObserver said:
That may not be necessary. It has been implied that Otrek is entering his final years, and when the Zorn Immigrant's situation gets stable he will pass on. When that happens, his armor will be passed down to Gloin and the latter's to Gimli.
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He's also been showing signs of having difficulty letting go, though, and Gimli's active now.
 
Meh let the other Runelords make armor for him. Gimli's been pretty friendly with Dwalin and could go to him first. Our pile of stuff is kinda high to take commisions for the next few turns especially with the aid action winning.
 
ConfusedCanuck said:
What I meant by that is he added to our necklace that each has a ancestor rune on it. Not that he gave us his Master Rune sorry for the misunderstanding.
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I had the same thought, I went back and checked the full description of the necklace:
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The central charm is a stylized mountain, overlaid by the image of a hearth that bears the mundane Rune of Valaya. On its left, a finely made replica of miner's pick crossed with a smiths hammer over top of which Grungni's rune resides. The charm to its left is a hammer, a minuscule but masterfully etched Rune of Thungni on its face. On the other side of the central charm three crossed axes are covered by a mundane version of Grimnir's Rune, and the last charm is predictably a Cog hammer and wrench that bears Mogrim's Rune.
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Compared to the item Gazul gave us:
soulcake said:
Reverently, you look at the piece of polished black steel. A sword, a shovel and a pick crossed over each other, the mundane Rune of Gazul emblazoned proudly over the section where they all cross.
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It certainly fits the style of the other charms, a picture of things related to the gods domain with the gods rune in the center, so I think we will find it fits on there once we get home.
 
Jreengus said:
It certainly fits the style of the other charms, a picture of things related to the gods domain with the gods rune in the center, so I think we will find it fits on there once we get home.
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Yep I was thinking the same thinking as well! All that's left is Smednir so I hope we meet up with him before he leaves and add to the necklace! And on that matter I feel we need to do some research on that necklace sooner rather then later. Anything Ancestor Gods give is sure to be potent/valuable in some way.
 
Hm, so here's a thought I'd had. You know how we used Pure Gromril as the reagent for the Rune of Smednir (and Adamant for the Rune of Thungni) and how Lord Gemlin talked to us about reagents and alternatives and variants for those runes and such?

Well, I've just had an idea for a cool potential possible ingredient for a Rune of Smednir again; Gromril Chain.

The Pure Gromril was the ingredient for Smednir, because it was of the Smith's art. Whereas Adamant was of the Runesmith's art. And Gromril Chain? That is definitely the Smith's work and craft. In fact, one of our hopes is that working one of the Rune Metal research trees will lead to Smednir's attention too, so. So it feels about right.

So just imagine it -- once we manage to work out Gromril Chain, we then use it as a Rune Ingredient for the Ancestor Rune of Smednir from then on.

(Also. I want to know if we can then figure out Gromril Scale, after figuring out Gromril Chain. Do you think that might be another step on that Rune Metal sidepath? Chain, Ring, and Scale. Perhaps even wire, eventually.)
 
Garlak said:
Hm, so here's a thought I'd had. You know how we used Pure Gromril as the reagent for the Rune of Smednir (and Adamant for the Rune of Thungni) and how Lord Gemlin talked to us about reagents and alternatives and variants for those runes and such?

Well, I've just had an idea for a cool potential possible ingredient for a Rune of Smednir again; Gromril Chain.

The Pure Gromril was the ingredient for Smednir, because it was of the Smith's art. Whereas Adamant was of the Runesmith's art. And Gromril Chain? That is definitely the Smith's work and craft. In fact, one of our hopes is that working one of the Rune Metal research trees will lead to Smednir's attention too, so. So it feels about right.

So just imagine it -- once we manage to work out Gromril Chain, we then use it as a Rune Ingredient for the Ancestor Rune of Smednir from then on.

(Also. I want to know if we can then figure out Gromril Scale, after figuring out Gromril Chain. Do you think that might be another step on that Rune Metal sidepath? Chain, Ring, and Scale. Perhaps even wire, eventually.)
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I don't think the runes would notice a difference in chain vs a bar. If I'm remembering the crafting right, the gromril was powdered before being used as a reagent so chain or bar wouldn't have made a difference. It's just gromril to the rune.

I bet wire is probably on the research chain somewhere as is adamant and t5 rune metal chain.
 
So with all this talk of getting gromril chain I double checked and Barak Azamar has steel chain as a part of it:
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The darkened steel chainmail glints in the few places the plate does not cover,
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@soulcake do any of our other armour creations of note also have steel chain in them? Also if we do research gromril chain could we replace the steel chain in any of them that do have it with gromril?
 
Jreengus said:
So with all this talk of getting gromril chain I double checked and Barak Azamar has steel chain as a part of it:

@soulcake do any of our other armour creations of note also have steel chain in them? Also if we do research gromril chain could we replace the steel chain in any of them that do have it with gromril?
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You've only made 3 sets of armour worth noting. Otrek's, Gloin's and yours, and yes when you figure out Gromril Chain they'll get upgraded*.

*eventually.
MrHobbit said:
Thanks! And on another note, I asked about the Trinket that Gazul gave Snorri earlier. I checked the Vault and there isn't any mention of it.

Edit: On another unrelated note, shouldn't the Wardstones in the Vault have the runes placed on them mentioned? I mean, it'd be easy enough to go to the Karag Dum Finale, or are they not mentioned because they're Mundane items?
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As others have said, I don't really note the trinkets that go on the necklace.

I'll update the Wardstones with Runes when I get the time.
 
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LaggPlaguedDuke said:
I don't think the runes would notice a difference in chain vs a bar. If I'm remembering the crafting right, the gromril was powdered before being used as a reagent so chain or bar wouldn't have made a difference. It's just gromril to the rune.

I bet wire is probably on the research chain somewhere as is adamant and t5 rune metal chain.
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Ehh, I think it's possible. Smednir's Rune called for Pure Gromril forged in the Old Fashioned Way, before Thungni came along and introduced Runes to speed it up. There should be no difference, but there apparently is one nonetheless. The chain Gromril dust might have more meaning, perhaps? I wouldn't say either way, but I wouldn't rule it out as unlikely.

soulcake said:
What did Smednir care for the realm of the mystic and fanciful? Such was the realm of his brother and mother. Good work, solid work, physical purity was all that mattered to the Smith, a thousand blows, ten thousand, one hundred thousand, the number mattered little, only the skill of the smith and their tools.

What better representation than the highest form of mundane purity possible? A bar of Pure Gromril, not made in your smelters, but by constantly purifying a far larger block of Gromril until every last speck of impurity was removed through entirely mundane means. Months of melting, skimming, draining and casting until it was done. Just as it was done before Thungni antiquated the practice, just as the Metalsmiths Guild demanded each and every journeymen follow before they could become an ordained Master to this very day.
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On another note, due to a rereading of the Quest I've been doing, I noticed something. Back in Turn 26 or thereabouts it was mentioned that a Runesmith's workshop is soundproofed. I could see Yorri having Runes to get around that (second quote), but I don't think that Rudil or Vikken (third quote) would have been equipped for that?

Hmm, did the explosion from the creation of Zharrgal overwhelm the Runes that soundproof the room? If there are Runes that soundproof Snorri's workshop. I can't see Snorri wholly relying on mundane means.

soulcake said:
...Well, it's one of the many reasons that a Runesmith's workshop is soundproofed.
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soulcake said:
He observes the door to the boy's workshop as he drinks, hearing the pounding of metal and the almost imperceptible hum of...the Master Rune of Conduction's chant. Yes, that was it, the intonation matched well enough for a youth not even passed his ninth century.
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soulcake said:
"The feeling of warmth, followed by the sound of metal crashing on stone and a muffled curse?" he asks.
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I mean, it could have meant the entire structure. With the walls outside of the area that Yorri, Rudil, and Vikken were in. Did I explain that properly?

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soulcake said:
As others have said, I don't really note the trinkets that go on the necklace.
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Damn it I should have checked the notifications.

I had checked the Vault's entry for the Necklace, and it only mentioned 5 charms, and Snorri should have had 6 charms. I should have mentioned that from the start.
Grungni's Necklace: A gift, the fine necklace made with Gromril Chain, five charms, each representing an Ancestor you've met, dangle from it. The Master Rune of Grungni burns on its corresponding charm.
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Sorry for that, and I do hope that this doesn't sound like I'm trying to pressure you or anything.
 
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BelligerentGnu said:
Gods, Barak Azamar is just nuts. It really feels like a mythical item. This entire campaign we've just been utterly unhindered by enemy action beyond getting thrown around a bit. Combined with Snorri's anti-magicness, it's freed us up to plunge directly into the middle of the action. Which is weird, because I always pictured Snorri in a support role, but I'm not going to complain.
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We were worried that Snorri'd get hurt and/or die, so decided that he should make armor to make that as hard to happen as we could. It's not much surprise that same durability makes Snorri a highly effective combatant, especially given the untiring feature, which prevents people from just waiting till he's tired and sloppy.
 
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MrHobbit said:
I mean, it could have meant the entire structure. With the walls outside of the area that Yorri, Rudil, and Vikken were in. Did I explain that properly?
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Structure itself is Runically soundproofed. Usually the natural soundproofing of incredibly thick stone walls is enough, but these cases are more exceptions to the rule.
 
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You know guys, I'm was actually hoping that we could develop some sort of Flamethrower Gauntlet with our new rune combined with some other runes that works well with Fire. Imagine the awesomeness that we could do with literally more firepower...Burning Heretics all day and cleansing away the taint of chaos and elvish magic...

But that seems like a distant dream for now. Maybe we can invent a more potent fire rune later I guess.
 
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VexMasterTyrant said:
You know guys, I'm was actually hoping that we could develop some sort of Flamethrower Gauntlet with our new rune combined with some other runes that works well with Fire. Imagine the awesomeness that we could do with literally more firepower...Burning Heretics all day and cleansing away the taint of chaos and elvish magic...

But that seems like a distant dream for now. Maybe we can invent a more potent fire rune later I guess.
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I'd prefer the regular flamethrowers the Irondrakes get.
 
VexMasterTyrant said:
You know guys, I'm was actually hoping that we could develop some sort of Flamethrower Gauntlet with our new rune combined with some other runes that works well with Fire. Imagine the awesomeness that we could do with literally more firepower...Burning Heretics all day and cleansing away the taint of chaos and elvish magic...

But that seems like a distant dream for now. Maybe we can invent a more potent fire rune later I guess.
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We just gotta impress Gazul again for a chance to see his Fire rune. Or tap Thungni's mind because he was probably the one who put the runes on the sword anyway.
 
Captain Spatula said:
We just gotta impress Gazul again for a chance to see his Fire rune. Or tap Thungni's mind because he was probably the one who put the runes on the sword anyway.
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I wonder if any of the Runesmiths in Kraka Drakk who aren't runelords are trying to plan and progress towards impressing Snorri enough that he gives them a hint towards something they're interested in. It'd be an interesting plot happening I think.
 
BungieONI said:
I wonder if any of the Runesmiths in Kraka Drakk who aren't runelords are trying to plan and progress towards impressing Snorri enough that he gives them a hint towards something they're interested in. It'd be an interesting plot happening I think.
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Snorri did inspire... Bara I think it was? She saw his Adamant and got inspired and started to work for it herself. She was still working to it and trying to figure out why Snorri's 'processed' Gromril seemed brighter? shinier? than hers. So yeah, its happening, kinda.
 
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