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Onmur said:
Scratch this? We really weren't confused about any of the Metabomb, I think, and I don't think it adds anything. Plus, short answer.
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Let's try it.


[x] If Mami's soul gem gets >50% full ask to cleanse it.
-[x] If she says no, ask her to get a grief seed. If she says no and refuses to get a grief seed, ask again with additional emphasis and break to voting if she refuses again.
[x] If our own gem is >25% full, clean it discreetly.
[x] Break back to voting if Mami interjects.
[x] I wanted to tell you. It hurt, not telling you, because you're my friend. But I was scared, and I didn't know how to say it. At first, I was just trying to keep this away from Kyuubey, but after it was gone... you were so hurt that I couldn't bear to put you through that again. Even by then, you'd become so important to me, Mami.
[x] But I couldn't stand to keep quiet any longer. It wasn't right, keeping this secret from you. I wanted to stay by your side. I couldn't do that if I was living a lie.



DB_Explorer said:
We should try! she's emotional right now, so talking may not work best... if we can try physical comfort that might work better. But she tied up our hands.... we could try to snuggle?
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When people are upset with you, trying to touch them will often upset them even more.

Muramasa said:
So, Sabrina can only determine if someone is a potential, but not the actual amount of potential?
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Either that, or Firn just never had reason to specify that the readings we were getting from Madoka were over 9000.
 
@Julian Bradshaw please answer the question "Why did you hide things from me and/or manipulate me" in one sentence that you can vocalize in, like, five seconds, without rushing yourself.

If you had five seconds to tell Mami as complete an answer as you could while remaining absolutely truthful, what would you say?

My answer was "Originally, because Kyubey couldn't know."

Bed now.
 
DB_Explorer said:
She's already hugging us though.. using us as a big ribbon wrapped pillow.
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I feel like the fact that she tied us up indicates that she's not comfortable with us reciprocating right at the moment. Maybe after she calms down a little?


Another idea I just had:

[x] If Mami's soul gem gets >50% full ask to cleanse it.
-[x] If she says no, ask her to get a grief seed. If she says no and refuses to get a grief seed, ask again with additional emphasis and break to voting if she refuses again.
[x] If our own gem is >25% full, clean it discreetly.
[x] Break back to voting if Mami interjects.
[x] I wanted to tell you. It hurt, not telling you, keeping this secret from my closest friend. But I was scared, and I didn't know how to say it. At first, I was just trying to keep Kyuubey from finding out, but after it was gone... you were so hurt that I couldn't bear to put you through that again. Even by then, you'd become so important to me, Mami.
[x] But I couldn't stand to keep quiet any longer. It wasn't right. I wanted to stay by your side. I couldn't do that if I was living a lie.


I don't think we can get much more concise than this without risking being misinterpreted or triggering one of Mami's emotional landmines.
 
Kaizuki said:
@Julian Bradshaw please answer the question "Why did you hide things from me and/or manipulate me" in one sentence that you can vocalize in, like, five seconds, without rushing yourself.

If you had five seconds to tell Mami as complete an answer as you could while remaining absolutely truthful, what would you say?

My answer was "Originally, because Kyubey couldn't know."

Bed now.
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I don't think you can give a meaningfully complete answer in 5 seconds. Kyuubey is only part of the initial reason why we didn't tell her - forced into 5 seconds, I'd probably say "I couldn't find a way to tell you safely." as that would cover Kyuubey, our general uncertainties, and our specific concerns after the lichbomb.

That said, I like the 15-20 second answer Redshirt Army currently has in his vote much better. I'm okay with removing the "confused" as Onmur suggested, though. (I'm also okay with keeping it.)
 
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One more idea on my way to work:

[x] If Mami's soul gem gets >50% full ask to cleanse it.
-[x] If she says no, ask her to get a grief seed. If she says no and refuses to get a grief seed, ask again with additional emphasis and break to voting if she refuses again.
[x] If our own gem is >25% full, clean it discreetly.
[x] Break back to voting if Mami interjects, misunderstands or reacts poorly.
[x] I'm sorry. I wanted to tell you. It hurt, not telling you, keeping this secret from my closest friend. But I was scared, and I didn't know how to say it. At first, I was just trying to keep Kyuubey from finding out, but after it was gone... you were so hurt that I couldn't bear to put you through that again. I couldn't stand to see someone I cared about in so much pain.
[x] But I also couldn't stand to keep quiet any longer. It wasn't right. I wanted to stay by your side. I couldn't do that if I was living a lie. I hope that someday you can forgive me.

Hitting those little color buttons on a touch screen is a total pain in the ass.
 
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SaltyWaffles said:
"Mami is hysterical and has you wrapped up in ribbons, and you're asking me to intervene? Are you sure that's a good idea?"
"Wha--oh, right. Tetris."
"....what."
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I would never happen IC, but I think it would be beautiful if Sabrina and Homura managed to connect something like this:


"... You were right, Madoka didn't... didn't laugh and we had a nice afternoon... T-thank you, Sabrina."

"Finally!"

"Finally what?"

"It's like, well, you two, I mean Madoka and Momura-"

"Momura?"

"I mean Homura and Madomom- shit- I mean-"

"You... do you... I mean I'm not- but, that's..."

"Just a silly idea! R-really don't think too much of it."

"Ma... Madoka and m-me..."

"I ship- I mean I think you're cute!"

"I... know you don't have parents, so that's... c-cute- I mean I don't- but..."

"Eeh?"

"But- sometimes you act like you're my mom."

"..."

"That's... a joke. D-don't think much... of it."

"Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee..."

"Sabrina...?"


Spaghetti. Spaghetti is part of the Akemi package.
 
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Kaizuki said:
@Redshirt Army is right about one big thing, now that I think about it further: we could fit the "then, later" part of the vote into the first line. I... That's probably a good idea.

[X] If at any time Mami's soul gem is getting moderately full ask if she wants us to cleanse it. If she says no, ask her to get a grief seed. If she says no and refuses to get a grief seed, ask again with additional emphasis and break to voting if she refuses again.
[X] At first, because Kyubey couldn't know. You're my friend, and it hurt keeping things from you. But I felt that I didn't have a choice. Maybe I could have tried harder, done better, I don't know. And then later, when he was gone... I've considered you a friend since the moment we met, Mami. But you became more. When Kyubey left -- maybe I should have told you then. But I couldn't bring myself to do it. I knew that because I'd kept it from you, it would hurt you, and I couldn't stand that. Not then.
-[X] Break back to voting if Mami interjects, unless she interjects to ask why Kyubey couldn't know, in which case
--[X] Because certain events that Kyubey would like to see happen would result in the end of the world.
-[X] If she doesn't interject, then continue with:
[X] Eventually, that was why I told you, also. I want to stay with you, Mami. And from the moment that I recognized that, I've known that I would have to tell you. How could I stay with you without telling you?

Added: "Maybe I could have tried harder, done better, I don't know" based on the input of @Julian Bradshaw.

Moved: the "later, when he was gone" section into the first line of the vote.

@Sereg thoughts on the change?
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I like it.



The Narrator said:
One more idea on my way to work:

[x] If Mami's soul gem gets >50% full ask to cleanse it.
-[x] If she says no, ask her to get a grief seed. If she says no and refuses to get a grief seed, ask again with additional emphasis and break to voting if she refuses again.
[x] If our own gem is >25% full, clean it discreetly.
[x] Break back to voting if Mami interjects, misunderstands or reacts poorly.
[x] I'm sorry. I wanted to tell you. It hurt, not telling you, keeping this secret from my closest friend. But I was scared, and I didn't know how to say it. At first, I was just trying to keep Kyuubey from finding out, but after it was gone... you were so hurt that I couldn't bear to put you through that again. I couldn't stand to see someone I cared about in so much pain.
[x] But I also couldn't stand to keep quiet any longer. It wasn't right. I wanted to stay by your side. I couldn't do that if I was living a lie. I hope that someday you can forgive me.

Hitting those little color buttons on a touch screen is a total pain in the ass.
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We decided that an apology shouldn't be the first thing we say in case it validates Mami's idea that we were being like Kyubey.


Also, I really don't want to say we "couldn't". We had a choice. We could have voted otherwise and we decided not to. We thought voting otherwise would be a terrible idea, but that's different.
 
Onmur said:
I would never happen IC, but I think it would be beautiful if Sabrina and Homura managed to connect something like this:


"... You were right, Madoka didn't... didn't laugh and we had a nice afternoon... T-thank you, Sabrina."

"Finally!"

"Finally what?"

"It's like, well, you two, I mean Madoka and Momura-"

"Momura?"

"I mean Homura and Madomom- shit- I mean-"

"You... do you... I mean I'm not- but, that's..."

"Just a silly idea! R-really don't think too much of it."

"Ma... Madoka and m-me..."

"I ship- I mean I think you're cute!"

"I... know you don't have parents, so that's... c-cute- I mean I don't- but..."

"Eeh?"

"But- sometimes you act like you're my mom."

"..."

"That's... a joke. D-don't think much... of it."

"Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee..."

"Sabrina...?"


Spaghetti. Spaghetti is part of the Akemi package.
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Holy crap. With all the nagging we do to get her to spend time with her friends, I guess Sabrina really does seem like Homura's mom some times.
 
Guys, I want to reiterate that what Mami needs right now is reassurance that her relationship with Sabrina is, and always has been, genuine.

What she's afraid of is a repeat of Kyubey--that is, that Sabrina was just using her all along and was never actually her friend. She isn't afraid of Sabrina keeping secrets so long as they don't undermine the relationship's authenticity.

So: start off by assuring her that we've cared about her from the start, and that our feelings for her, our friendship with her, has always been real and true. The only thing we faked was ignorance about certain subjects--our affection for her, our trust in her, our gestures towards her have always been real.

That is what needs to be driven home more than anything, and before anything else.
 
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Sereg said:
We decided that an apology shouldn't be the first thing we say in case it validates Mami's idea that we were being like Kyubey.
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Not that Kyubey ever apologizes for anything. :p Still, I'll cut it. We do need to express contrition, but it doesn't have to be right at the start.

Sereg said:
Also, I really don't want to say we "couldn't". We had a choice. We could have voted otherwise and we decided not to. We thought voting otherwise would be a terrible idea, but that's different.
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I never said anywhere in the vote that we couldn't tell her. I said that we couldn't bear the thought of hurting her with another shocking revelation, and that we couldn't bear keeping secrets from her any longer. Both refer to our emotional state on the subject, and both are true.


Okay, one more try on my lunch break. Doing colored text on my phone is a terrible experience, so I'm gonna mark changes with underlines like when you amend a legal document.

[x] If Mami's soul gem gets >50% full ask to cleanse it.
-[x] If she says no, ask her to get a grief seed. If she says no and refuses to get a grief seed, ask again with additional emphasis and break to voting if she refuses again.
[x] If our own gem is >25% full, clean it discreetly.
[x] Break back to voting if Mami interjects, misunderstands or reacts poorly.
[x] I wanted to tell you. It hurt, not telling you, keeping this secret from my closest friend. But I was scared, and I didn't know how to say it. At first, I was just trying to keep Kyuubey from finding out, but after it was gone... you were so hurt that I couldn't bear to put you through that again. I couldn't stand to see someone I cared about in so much pain.
[x] But I also couldn't stand to keep quiet any longer. It wasn't right, keeping secrets from you. I had to be honest with you, if I was ever going be worthy to stand at your side.
 
I'm thinking Mami wrapped us up because the Grief we pulled from her soul gem felt Witch-y. She was in a delicate state and we triggered her "suffer not a Witch" instincts. I'm not sure it's relevant, but I also think it's important to consider all of her reactions.

Also I've lost the bandwagon.
 
The Narrator said:
I never said anywhere in the vote that we couldn't tell her. I said that we couldn't bear the thought of hurting her with another shocking revelation, and that we couldn't bear keeping secrets from her any longer. Both refer to our emotional state on the subject, and both are true.
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I was referring to other votes that have been flying around there.

While she'd always be useful, I don't think we've ever needed Hikari more than now.
 
RagnorakTres said:
I'm thinking Mami wrapped us up because the Grief we pulled from her soul gem felt Witch-y. She was in a delicate state and we triggered her "suffer not a Witch" instincts. I'm not sure it's relevant, but I also think it's important to consider all of her reactions.
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That's entirely possible. It could also have been a panicked, defensive reaction to us reaching for her Soul Gem. Or something else entirely.

Until we know for sure or she's calmed down a bit, I'd prefer to err on the side of caution and avoid doing anything that might provoke her to react the same way again.
 
The narrator of this story is Firnagzen. Does this mean people are voting for Firn? :V
 
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