Okay.

One sleep later, I'm sane again.

I do not like the cut-down votes. The purpose of this vote is not to tell Mami this stuff in as short a time as possible, nor is it to tell her that we want to stay. The purpose is to give her a complete and honest answer to her question, going in order of importance as the vote progresses. Most important reason for why we didn't tell her? Kyubey. Second most important reason? We couldn't stomach it. Third most? Disorientation following the alley.

If Mami is concerned about us leaving her, we'll address that somehow. Because if that's the case, she just won't want to leave us anyway and we can keep talking. We'll run through a full answer to her question, and if she doesn't ask another, then we'll tell her about how we want to stay. @Agent Whiskers.

This may not be the best way to do it. Some bits of this don't even flow the way I just said. But... A couple things leapt out at me last night. First, "too many cooks" and "this is your" bandwagon. This is only the second time I've been involved in crafting a vote anywhere, and my first bandwagon on top of that. I shouldn't have broken things up last night, I should have just kept editing the vote I had instead of... Unleashing mass chaos, basically. And I'm sorry for that. And if what I'm doing or saying now is wrong, I'm sorry for that, too.

So.

[X] Continue to cleanse our own soul gem every time it gets above 10%. If at any time Mami's soul gem is getting moderately full ask if she wants us to cleanse it. If she says no, ask her to get a grief seed. If she says no and refuses to get a grief seed, ask again with additional emphasis and break to voting if she refuses again.
[X] At first, because Kyubey couldn't know. I felt that I didn't have a choice. Maybe I could have tried harder, done better, I don't know -- I didn't really have a perfect grip on things at the time, either, after waking up in the alley. And then later, when he was gone... I've considered you a friend since the moment we met, Mami. But you became more. When Kyubey left -- maybe I should have told you then. But I couldn't bring myself to do it. I knew that because I'd kept it from you, it would hurt you, and I couldn't stand that. Not then.
-[X] Break back to voting if Mami interjects
-[X] If she doesn't interject, then give her a little bit, and continue with:
[X] Eventually, that was why I told you, also. I want to stay with you, Mami. And from the moment that I recognized that, I've known that I would have to tell you. How could I stay with you without telling you?
 
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Holy shit. Who brought the mod into the thread at this point in time? Why would you even? Why?
Because this thread's been a bit of a hotspot for various things/people that violate the rules throughout its long life, so they pop in now and again. Not to mention stuff like underage sexuality is one of the few things that makes the staff, across the board, pissed. Also, they're big on 'see something, report it', so implying that just because it wasn't reported right away/within X amount of time/X amount of pages it should be left alone and un-infracted is... not going to win you friends, let's just say.
 
Does it say something about me that I interpreted the handlebar comment as Sabrina riding Mami's shoulders like a little kid screaming "Go faster!"
 
Guys, I want to reiterate that what Mami needs right now is reassurance that her relationship with Sabrina is, and always has been, genuine.

What she's afraid of is a repeat of Kyubey--that is, that Sabrina was just using her all along and was never actually her friend. She isn't afraid of Sabrina keeping secrets so long as they don't undermine the relationship's authenticity.

So: start off by assuring her that we've cared about her from the start, and that our feelings for her, our friendship with her, has always been real and true. The only thing we faked was ignorance about certain subjects--our affection for her, our trust in her, our gestures towards her have always been real.

That is what needs to be driven home more than anything, and before anything else.

The only problem is that assuring her potentially undermines the explanation. If we assure her that everything we felt for her was genuine, it brings into question why we feel that it's necessary to make that assurance.

This wouldn't be an issue if we'd just fucking frontloaded... T_T

Edit: you know something? I'm tired as fuck. The vote only has to be good enough. And we have a vote that is good enough. At this point, it's more important that we unite behind a vote that will salvage this situation, because no matter how perfect the vote gets, Sabrina's emotional influence has a chance to ruin the situation. If we all settle on one thing, that will help in the conversation itself. If we all do so in a calm and rational manner, that will act as a steeling influence, which we really need because we could ruin everything if we distort what we want to say too much on accident, no matter how good the vote is.

@The Narrator
[X] The Narrator
 
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You know, if Mami's asking why we're like KB, the first time we should do is deny it? Or flat out deny whatever Mami's thinking right now, it doesn't really matter exactly what, since we know it's bad.

If we start making explanations (or apologizing), she's gonna think we're making excuses.

How about cutting the chase?

[ ] I'm not like that, Mami.
-[ ]It hurts me too, you know? I thought I could hide this, bear it, and it'd be fine as long as I helped everyone. But I can't keep lying to you. Not to you. Because you've became too important to me and I don't want to lie forever.
[ ] Ask Mami if you can cleanse her Soul Gem, and if she'll let you explain why you've been hiding this.
 
Look, when somebody asks you "Why are you KB?"

Your response can't start with "Because..."

How about "No," "I'm not like that," "You're wrong," etc., etc...

True.

I have limited experience with sudden death social. I plan all my dangerous social thoroughly.

...

I could vote for your suggestion. People would object on the basis that we should answer her question. But I could vote for your suggestion, yes. Get Redshirt or Julian on board with it though -- we need a full vote block for emotional purposes.
 
Your response can't start with "Because..."
Unless your response discards the notion by itself.

In fact, the answering which question is not as important as the content of the answer, and the question migh ad well be "why are you doing this".

People under panic episodes are not know to formulate nuanced questions and care about the grammar and logic.

Answering is an excuse to reasure and to give information.
 
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Unless your response discards the notion by itself.

In fact, the answering whish question is not as important as the content of the answer, and the question migh ad well be "why are you doing this".

People under panic episodes are not know to formulated nuanced questions and care about the grammar and logic.

That's been documented, yes. But we've been thinking in circles for days now. We have votes that are good enough. It's time to settle on one.
 
People under panic episodes are not know to formulated nuanced questions and care about the grammar and logic.
That's why you want to...
Unless your response discards the notion by itself.
... Give her a long winded, round about answer that will start agreeing with whatever is running through Mami's head, no matter what or how bad it is?

Because somebody rational and calm would understand what you mean after hearing you out?
 
... Give her a long winded, round about answer that will start agreeing with whatever is running through Mami's head, no matter what or how bad it is?
No. And rhat's why I like (I'm yet to vote) the options that start with a breaker first part. Saying "I'm sorry" won't do, only the guilty are sorry. Saying "I like being with you" adds nothing.

But, saying "I was afraid", or "I didn't want KB to know"? Those 2 break her though pattern, and gives us time to explain.
 
No. And rhat's why I like (I'm yet to vote) the options that start with a breaker first part. Saying "I'm sorry" won't do, only the guilty are sorry. Saying "I like being with you" adds nothing.

But, saying "I was afraid", or "I didn't want KB to know"? Those 2 break her though pattern, and gives us time to explain.
During such an emotional situation, I feel it's way safer to not imply things, not even when the implication might seem so terribly simple under calm circurmstances.

It's better if we explictly said everything we want to say.

"I was afraid" -> "I didn't tell you because I was afraid".

Don't put stock on somebody who's shaken to understand what you mean to say if you don't say it very, very clearly.

Mami's Gem just shot up to 50% from little to nothing.
 
During such an emotional situation, I feel it's way safer to not imply things, not even when the implication might seem so terribly simple under calm circurmstances.

It's better if we explictly said everything we want to say.

"I was afraid" -> "I didn't tell you because I was afraid".

Don't put stock on somebody who's shaken to understand what you mean to say if you don't say it very, very clearly.

Mami's Gem just shot up to 50% from little to nothing.
Agreed.

I just think we don't need to explicity shoot down the question. We only need to answer it.
 
Exactly.

In absence of everything else, I think it's safe to assume the question is "Why is this happening/why are you doing this"
What? Safe? There's nothing safe about this situation. Assumptions less of all.

"I-I- S-sabrina- you- K-kyub- I-"
"Why are you like KB?"

"Why? W-why- y-you- why?"
"Why are you betraying my like everybody else?"
"Why World, why again?"
"Why I don't know what just why?"
 
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