Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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Dragontrapper
Homeless Draconis
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I think somebody brought up a good point earlier in that saying we were scared could backfire atm. So a slightly different wording is called for I think.
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- Illinois
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
I would add these requirements:
- The vote should supply Mami some reassurance of our feelings for her.
- The vote should not trigger Mami's self-esteem or abandonment issues any further.
- The vote should not dodge responsibility, shift blame to Mami, or otherwise make us seem insincere.
I think it's a good idea for us to show emotion and to explain our actions in terms of emotional responses, rather than as motivated by logic. Mami is distraught and acting on her emotions rather than rationality, and I think she'll respond better to a show of emotion in return.
Hmm.... suggestion.
[x] If Mami's soul gem gets >50% full ask to cleanse it.
-[x] If she says no, ask her to get a grief seed. If she says no and refuses to get a grief seed, ask again with additional emphasis and break to voting if she refuses again.
[x] If our own gem is >25% full, clean it discreetly.
[x] I was scared, and confused, and I wanted to tell you but I didn't know how. At first, I was just trying to keep this away from Kyuubey, but after it was gone... you were so hurt that I couldn't bear to do that to you again. Even by then, you'd become so much more than a friend to me, Mami.
[x] But I couldn't stand to keep quiet any longer. It wasn't right, keeping this secret from you. I wanted to stay by your side. I couldn't do that if I was living a lie.
I prefer "stay by your side" to "keep living here", since I think it emphasizes our interest is in her and not in a free apartment.
EDIT: Discreet cleansing because I'm not sure if Mami will react poorly when she realizes that tying us up has not actually impeded our ability to use our powers.
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Dragontrapper
Homeless Draconis
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- A Tower in the middle of nowhere
Agreed - but that we were scared isn't important - WHY we were scared is.
Julian Bradshaw
MSY Historian
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- Local Group
Considering Redshirt Army's new vote is, as he said, just my suggested combovote with his cleansing instructions:
[X] Redshirt Army
(Though I agree with The Narrator in that we should reword the self-cleansing part so that we don't do it first before responding unless absolutely necessary, and so that we do it discreetly. The change to "Stay by your side" is reasonable too. Maybe just "I want to stay with you." could replace "I want to stay, and live with you.")
I don't think there's enough cause to eliminate it, especially since it's a big part of the truth. The thought was that Mami might think we were scared of her, but I don't think there been any indication that she believes we might be afraid of her. We've said before we're afraid of hurting her, but that's not the same thing, and for all that we've supposedly been concerned about tetris we were so completely comfortable with Mami before this conversation that we didn't even consider that she might attack us.
Also, on a vaguely relevant note and since I haven't seen it explicitly said yet: Mami's thought process behind initially tying us up may well have been as simple as "I need to prevent her from leaving me at all costs." That we've put her in a place where she feels she has to do that...
[X] Redshirt Army
(Though I agree with The Narrator in that we should reword the self-cleansing part so that we don't do it first before responding unless absolutely necessary, and so that we do it discreetly. The change to "Stay by your side" is reasonable too. Maybe just "I want to stay with you." could replace "I want to stay, and live with you.")
I don't think there's enough cause to eliminate it, especially since it's a big part of the truth. The thought was that Mami might think we were scared of her, but I don't think there been any indication that she believes we might be afraid of her. We've said before we're afraid of hurting her, but that's not the same thing, and for all that we've supposedly been concerned about tetris we were so completely comfortable with Mami before this conversation that we didn't even consider that she might attack us.
Also, on a vaguely relevant note and since I haven't seen it explicitly said yet: Mami's thought process behind initially tying us up may well have been as simple as "I need to prevent her from leaving me at all costs." That we've put her in a place where she feels she has to do that...
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- Illinois
That was the motive for my original vote. Go back, uhhhh 8 or 9 pages. Giant bolded block post starting with the words "I've reached a conclusion." This new vote is basically my original vote going from a different angle -- we're assuming she meant it the other way.
"And I hurt you too" I... I'm not sure I like that line. Why is it there? Who suggested it? We hurt her, yes, but I think that we shouldn't cast a negative light on our actions in the course of the lichbomb. It hurt, but it hurt in the same way that getting the gangrene out hurts... thats a terrible fucking analogy lol.
The bit about being scared and confused -- can we just not. It wasn't the primary reason for our reticence, that was Kyubey. So much of it was Kyubey that I think, in the interest of conciseness, we can ditch the other exceedingly minor reasons for why we didn't tell before he was out of the picture.
Seems a bit much? Can keep it ig.
I... I'm not okay with the scared and confused business, because it doesn't convey meaningful information. The rest of it is mostly OK.
If I had to drop a vote RN:
[] Keep cleansing yourself and ask to cleanse Mami when her Soul Gem starts getting high (>60%); if she doesn't want you to cleanse her, ask her to use a Seed, and if she gets to dangerous amounts of corruption, cleanse her anyway and break to voting.
[] I wanted to tell you. It hurt, not telling you, because you're my friend. But Kyubey can't know. When Kyubey left -- I should have told you then. But I couldn't bring myself to do it. I knew telling you would hurt you, and you were so hurt already. I couldn't stomach it.
-[] Break back to voting if Mami interjects
-[] If she doesn't interject, then continue with:
[] Because you've become more than just a friend to me, Mami. At some point, I realized that I want to stay with you.
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The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
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- Somewhere Offscreen
Hmm... that's a possibility, but the fact that she seemed about to flee through the window herself afterwards and that it happened right after we cleaned her gem still makes me think that it's more likely to be a result of us grabbing at her soul without warning when she's already distrustful of us.
I already suggested a replacement for it that makes it clearer that we mean that finding out about Kyubey's betrayal hurt her.
I can dig it.
How's this?
[x] If Mami's soul gem gets >50% full ask to cleanse it.
-[x] If she says no, ask her to get a grief seed. If she says no and refuses to get a grief seed, ask again with additional emphasis and break to voting if she refuses again.
[x] If our own gem is >25% full, clean it discreetly.
[x] Break back to voting if Mami interjects.
[x] I wanted to tell you. It hurt, not telling you, because you're my friend. But I was scared, and confused, and I didn't know how to say it. At first, I was just trying to keep this away from Kyuubey, but after it was gone... you were so hurt that I couldn't bear to put you through that again. Even by then, you'd become so important to me, Mami.
[x] But I couldn't stand to keep quiet any longer. It wasn't right, keeping this secret from you. I wanted to stay by your side. I couldn't do that if I was living a lie.
(Damn, why is Redshirt's red text so much more vibrant than my red text?)
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I don't know, she almost walked away then and there.
Maybe tying up people is what she does when she panics.
You don't know her life.
[Q] "Kinky."
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
[x] If Mami's soul gem gets >50% full ask to cleanse it.
-[x] If she says no, ask her to get a grief seed. If she says no and refuses to get a grief seed, ask again with additional emphasis and break to voting if she refuses again.
[x] If our own gem is >25% full, clean it discreetly.
[x] I wanted to tell you. It hurt, not telling you, because you're my friend. But I was scared, and confused, and I... I couldn't find a way to say it. At first, I was just trying to keep this away from Kyuubey, but after it was gone... you were so hurt that I couldn't bear to put you through that again. Even by then, you'd become so much more than a friend to me, Mami.
[x] But it's so much worse, not telling you. I.. don't want to keep this secret, keep lying, forever. Because I don't want to leave. I want to stay with you. And I can't do that if I'm living a lie.
This is the contentious part:
Nitpick away.
-[x] If she says no, ask her to get a grief seed. If she says no and refuses to get a grief seed, ask again with additional emphasis and break to voting if she refuses again.
[x] If our own gem is >25% full, clean it discreetly.
[x] I wanted to tell you. It hurt, not telling you, because you're my friend. But I was scared, and confused, and I... I couldn't find a way to say it. At first, I was just trying to keep this away from Kyuubey, but after it was gone... you were so hurt that I couldn't bear to put you through that again. Even by then, you'd become so much more than a friend to me, Mami.
[x] But it's so much worse, not telling you. I.. don't want to keep this secret, keep lying, forever. Because I don't want to leave. I want to stay with you. And I can't do that if I'm living a lie.
This is the contentious part:
Nitpick away.
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I think this part should be contested, too:
Well, more like this sentence:
Well, more like this word:
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Julian Bradshaw
MSY Historian
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This adds an excuse before our answer to the question "Why?". The answer needs to come first. We also say in this new opening that we're (just) her friend, despite saying she's more than that in the very same section of the vote. (Edit: Not trying to do a love confession. New wording of "you already meant so much to me" is good.)
Also, @Kaizuki, the scared and confused portion is because that was part of why we didn't say anything at first - we were afraid of seeming weird, afraid of Kyubey finding out what we knew, and we didn't know how much of our knowledge was accurate given that something was clearly very different. Besides that, I really don't want to center the answer on Kyubey more than we have to.
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I thought that it would manipulative to make some kind of love confession, putting aside the fact whether it's even right to make one. It's not a direct one, but it's pretty obvious what you guys are going for here.
Not really. It's just that we have a situation of "too many cooks", and it's making things way more confusing than they have to be.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
[x] If Mami's soul gem gets >50% full ask to cleanse it.
-[x] If she says no, ask her to get a grief seed. If she says no and refuses to get a grief seed, ask again with additional emphasis and break to voting if she refuses again.
[x] If our own gem is >25% full, clean it discreetly.
[x] I was scared, and confused, and I... I just couldn't find a way to say it. At first, I was just trying to keep this away from Kyuubey, but after it was gone... you were so hurt that I couldn't bear to put you through that again. Even by then, you already meant so much to me, Mami.
[x] But it's so much worse, not telling you. I.. don't want to keep this secret, keep lying, forever. Because I don't want to leave. I want to stay with you. And I can't do that if I'm living a lie.
-[x] If she says no, ask her to get a grief seed. If she says no and refuses to get a grief seed, ask again with additional emphasis and break to voting if she refuses again.
[x] If our own gem is >25% full, clean it discreetly.
[x] I was scared, and confused, and I... I just couldn't find a way to say it. At first, I was just trying to keep this away from Kyuubey, but after it was gone... you were so hurt that I couldn't bear to put you through that again. Even by then, you already meant so much to me, Mami.
[x] But it's so much worse, not telling you. I.. don't want to keep this secret, keep lying, forever. Because I don't want to leave. I want to stay with you. And I can't do that if I'm living a lie.
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- Illinois
Narrator is a jesus.
I could wake up in the morning and vote for this. I still think the entire line, "But I was scared, and confused, and I... I couldn't find a way to say it." is trash because I think that it could be scrapped without really changing the meaning of what we're saying to her.
There were days IC between us waking up and the lichbomb. Scared and confused didn't last for long, especially after we told Homura about our metaknowledge and confirmed things with her. Not centering on Kyubey... What choice do we have? It's the truth. And as much as we were scared and confused, the way it's being said doesn't convey any legible meaning. Read that line from Mami's perspective, and it's gibberish.
No. No. No. NO. You can want to stay with somebody without loving them, and saying them implies different things. There's the best friend that you get an apartment with, and there's the spouse you get an apartment with. Same action, different roles entirely.
I could wake up in the morning and vote for this. I still think the entire line, "But I was scared, and confused, and I... I couldn't find a way to say it." is trash because I think that it could be scrapped without really changing the meaning of what we're saying to her.
There were days IC between us waking up and the lichbomb. Scared and confused didn't last for long, especially after we told Homura about our metaknowledge and confirmed things with her. Not centering on Kyubey... What choice do we have? It's the truth. And as much as we were scared and confused, the way it's being said doesn't convey any legible meaning. Read that line from Mami's perspective, and it's gibberish.
No. No. No. NO. You can want to stay with somebody without loving them, and saying them implies different things. There's the best friend that you get an apartment with, and there's the spouse you get an apartment with. Same action, different roles entirely.
FelOnyx
Love and Peace!
- Location
- Gunsmoke
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- He/Him
That idea never seemed wise to me. Jesus was born in 1886 BC. (before car) No way he's a better driver than you.
"You're so much more than a friend to me." It's pretty easy to see how it can be interpreted that way, though there are other possible intents.
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One more fucking mine in this fucking field of nukes.
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
Well, there is something that I mentioned in passing in one of my old votes: that Mami has essentially become our family.
Note that I suggested replacing the line in contention with, "Even by then, you'd become so important to me, Mami." (I rejected saying "precious" instead of important because it was giving me Gollum flashbacks and sounded too stalkery.) I felt like that emphasized how much we care for her with less potential for romantic implication.
Okay, let's just lay it out with a general outline then.
1.) Quick explanation about why we didn't initially tell everyone. Maybe also tell what our goal was. Help them because they all seriously needed it and would most likely die otherwise
2.) Explain why we didn't tell her after we became a lot closer. Being scared about hurting her even more than she has been already.
3.) Tell her we seriously care about her and are nothing like Kyubey. Also apologies for hurting her.
That about sum it up, perhaps? Just need to fill in the details if so.
1.) Quick explanation about why we didn't initially tell everyone. Maybe also tell what our goal was. Help them because they all seriously needed it and would most likely die otherwise
2.) Explain why we didn't tell her after we became a lot closer. Being scared about hurting her even more than she has been already.
3.) Tell her we seriously care about her and are nothing like Kyubey. Also apologies for hurting her.
That about sum it up, perhaps? Just need to fill in the details if so.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Scratch this? We really weren't confused about any of the Metabomb, I think, and I don't think it adds anything. Plus, short answer.
DB_Explorer
Purveyor of alternate realities.
- Location
- San Diego, California
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Wait is Mami hugging us?
*checks*
she is
.... HUG HER BACK
*checks*
she is
.... HUG HER BACK
Free info: she does.
UbeOne
Daydreaming CPU
- Location
- Philippines
- Pronouns
- She/Her
While tied up?