VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
Early history tend to be semi_fantastic for some reason.
But i like the Maybe magic maybe not approach
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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- Original
But i like the Maybe magic maybe not approach
- Location
- Hell
Either way mixing the areas where your military work with where your industry works is never a good idea. Also implies you want the warriors trodding around the farms???
We don't know that yet.
First, please note that you must place [Main] and [Secondary] in your votes and we have 1 and 2 of those respectively. For instance, the winning vote was
You must do the same when voting starts again. They would all be done at the same time, only changes what is prioritized.
That's not what the option offers, sorry
Those Forests would be near our village as we are the ones with the infrastructure and know how to do so.
The other two are good, but I personally would prefer that we start with
[Main] Improve Trail
to ease travel and transport between our breadbasket valley and the coastal Fishermen.
[Secondary] Step-Farms
As it was through agriculture that we learned more about terraforming and is a step toward constructing the Great Dam and Grand Canal superprojects.
- Location
- Diamond City
My main reasoning for it being a major action is because the not!assyrians are a major threat to us if they're allowed to regrow and I want to put enough effort in to free as many slaves as possible in the lowlands and encourage artisans to migrate to our settlements. I don't want a small percentage, I want as many as we can get our hands on and sustain feasibly. I want to break the logistical basis of the not!assyrians so hard that they won't ever be able to become a vast empire with plenty of soldiers that can subjugate us.
As soon as the Phoenicians were bordered by powerful land empires, it was only a matter of time before they fell to a land Empire that got too greedy. They were able to survive long with essentially bribing the nearby land powers but that's only a delaying tactic. Eventually, the Persians gobbled them up.
I want to delay a land empire forming on borders as long as possible, hopefully to the point when we expand to natural borders that are more defensible like mountains.
Tbh, I don't trust the spirit talkers and see them as a potential threat to our survival, especially if they do have actual control over weather and disease and it's not them getting lucky.
Domesticating the snails would definitely be valuable but setting up the infrastructure to be able to navigate the seas opens up a lot of wonderful options and range of strategy that would be give us more tools against land-based threats.
Fantasy to me seems to be a catch-all term for all things "not really high-tech" and that isn't on Earth, regardless if it has any mythical elements.
- Location
- United States
Well everyone knows the spirit talkers are next on the list of enemies, it's just a matter of when. I'd rather not draw their anger until we have walls built. I'm not worried that they have weather magic (AN said it was just the dice rolls for environment). Also, i'm not sure that the lowlanders have artisans in any appreciable abundance...if any at all. Their slavery practice was just to gather farmers. No mention anywhere that they started doing anything other than enslaving others and their shitty farms.
- Location
- Diamond City
Thanks for the tip.
I included that in
I'd prefer arguments I've seen before of people running in circles around each other so let's see what the GM thinks
@Academia Nut would a coastal forest management option be possible?
I definitely see the point with prior, it establishes infrastructure that would be very beneficial for knitting the coastal and valley regions together. I'm just not sure which I'd switch it out at the moment
With the latter, I probably should clarify the aims I'm going for: Our terraforming is definitely valuable but I don't want it to be the only strategy we rely on, it pushes us towards overspecialization and that's a trap I'd very much like to avoid because it only takes the conditions we rely on being disrupted by some major event and then we're screwed. Opening up the way to naval and mercantile strategies gives us enough flexibility that we can survive major disruptions more easily, generalists are typically the ones that thrive in the immediate here-after of disasters.
- Location
- United States
I feel that rebuilding our roads would make transporting groups of people (our own, or the lowlanders we've brought) much easier. It would also make our land based trading far more effective than they were even before the floods.Thanks for the tip.
I included that in
I'd prefer arguments I've seen before of people running in circles around each other so let's see what the GM thinks
@Academia Nut would a coastal forest management option be possible?
I definitely see the point with prior, it establishes infrastructure that would be very beneficial for knitting the coastal and valley regions together. I'm just not sure which I'd switch it out at the moment
With the latter, I probably should clarify the aims I'm going for: Our terraforming is definitely valuable but I don't want it to be the only strategy we rely on, it pushes us towards overspecialization and that's a trap I'd very much like to avoid because it only takes the conditions we rely on being disrupted by some major event and then we're screwed. Opening up the way to naval and mercantile strategies gives us enough flexibility that we can survive major disruptions more easily, generalists are typically the ones that thrive in the immediate here-after of disasters.
I'd rather wait to decide between the 2 routes before setting into one thing. Who knows, there might be new developments that make neither feasible or make one especially better.
- Location
- Diamond City
I'd rather push and if they get agitated thinking we sympathize with the lowlanders, we can point out that we share a mutual interest and our strategy is more is about, depriving the lowlanders of the people and resources that would allow them to become a threat again, than making friends with filthy slavers.
Okay, that's more of a relief. I'm still reaaaaally weary of a theological power that has increasing regional sympathy and support near us.
Even if it's just a few, there might be some shiny crafting and techniques that the lowlanders have that we don't have as of yet.
Either way though, it would be good to check with the GM:
@Academia Nut Do we know if anyone artisan castes have/had formed in the not!assyrian settlements?
Yeah, I'm swayed towards building roads soon. It makes my mercantile senses tingly.
What should we switch out in the plan in that case?
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- Location
- Hell
Fair.
Luckily we now have opportunity to avoid overspecialization as we can do one major project and two minor ones now so we can spread out our development into different fields.
Still do want a secondary priority in Step-Farming though. It does help us avoid being disrupted by major events like against flooding by being out of its path, and boosts water efficiency in our farms so we would be more drought resistant. We still don't know how much influence the Spirit Talkers have over the (dice) gods so better to be prepared for disaster, even as we hope for better days.
- Location
- United States
The spirit talkers don't seem like the kind of people to see reason. Also, since they've basically pulled off a massive success in making everyone think they're responsible for the weather they're likely gonna get very arrogant.I'd rather push and if they get agitated thinking we sympathize with the lowlanders, we can point out that we share a mutual interest and our strategy is more is about, depriving the lowlanders of the people and resources that would allow them to become a threat again, than making friends with filthy slavers.
Okay, that's more of a relief. I'm still reaaaaally weary of a theological power that has increasing regional sympathy and support near us.
Even if it's just a few, there might be some shiny crafting and techniques that the lowlanders have that we don't have as of yet.
Either way though, it would be good to check with the GM:
@Academia Nut Do we know if anyone artisan castes have/had formed in the not!assyrian settlements?
Yeah, I'm swayed towards building roads soon. It makes my mercantile senses tingly.
What should we switch out in the plan in that case?
Honestly it depends on how the AN answers. If we can't manage forests on the coast we could switch out with that, if the artisans in the lowlands are pretty much all nobles and very few in number then we could switch out with that. Expand fishing seems important to developing long distance ships and doubles as an increase in food production (not to mention possible trade over seas).
- Location
- Anchorage, Alaska
OK, you need an actual quote for that, because we've never met them. The only thing we know about them is that they hated the Lowlanders (which everybody did), and claim credit for a rain/drought cycle + plague that hit the Lowlanders WAY harder than it hurt anybody else, and certainly more than the preceding super drought.
Seriously, the Spirit Talkers have done absolutely nothing to indicate that they should be considered our immediate enemy! Cultural rival? Maybe. Hell Bent on driving us into extinction? NOPE! This is getting silly.
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VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
We haven't got the full context for their action in lowlander area. They might have a perfectly justified reason.
Doesn't mean we are letting them to be the only Sprite power tho.
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everywhere! Where's my flamer?
- Location
- Diamond City
Yeah, I definitely lean your way. I don't think they're an immediate threat who needs appeasement ASAP; I see them more as a rival that could become a major threat in the future but like all things, they need to build up for that.
We should be wary of them but I'm not immediately panicked about them.
Ideally, I'd love to find someway for both us and them to integrate as equals as a greater power but I don't see an opportunity for that right now as they have a stronger cultural presence than us in the region and I don't want whatever religion-system we have to be a copy-paste of theirs. Perhaps, sharing gods and spirits but that's it.
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- Location
- Hell
As long as we do main trails and secondary step-farms next turn, I'm happy.
There is also the option of going on a trade expedition to them to for that.
- Location
- Diamond City
Yeah, trails would be super dandy though I'm still internally debating whether they should be primary or secondary.
I don't want to do it this next turn. I'm cautious of getting sucked into their cultural influence.
but maybe the turn afterwards?
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- Location
- United States
Just look at their past actions. Yes, everyone else hated the lowlanders, but instead of chopping down the tree that they hated they decided to burn the entire forest down. Just because the Floods, droughts, and plague didn't hit us as hard doesn't mean that the other settlements didn't get fucked over. We had our trade caravans avoid any villages that had rumors of plague, so we know that at least a few villages got hit by that. Once they took credit for the climate craziness the threat of them doing it again was looming over everyone else.
I'm not saying they're our immediate enemy. Nowhere did I say that they were hellbent on our extinction dude. Stop exaggerating.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
Our warriors expand with our pop naturally, so purposefully expanding our warrior population is basically just making our nation more militaristic, rather than proportionately better at defending itself. I'd rather not.
Or we could just harvest sustainably... The canal would help with carrying the timber we harvest from other parts down to the sea. And since older trees are more important we'd have to wait for >20 years for the first forests we make to be worth it, while other, older trees would go to waste.
I still don't necessarily agree, just because the dam makes building the canal much easier.
So basically what I said... Also, it depends on if you think we're actually going to be trading large amounts of cargo at this stage of dev or not. Trading food would be dumb because any place that's big enough to be worth trading w/ probably already produces enough. Smaller luxuries like dye are better, and smaller.
Dams need to be vertical and withstand pressure, canals need decent stonework to not need as many repairs. Both need good organization. Great... So since they're different types of difficulty, building a canal won't contribute to preparing for building a dam, since they require such different things. So we might as well build the dam first, once we're ready to, since it will speed up the canal. Yay.
That assumes they have artisans...
Are we talking about the Wall wall or about the step farm walls..?
Yeah, but that takes a lot of effort and reduces the actual efficiency of the farms cus then you don't take optimal advantage of the slope*. I agree that we could make them like chest high toward the village center, tho. That would fuck over people trying to reach us while still letting us throw spears and rocks or, later, fire arrows.
It's true that the military applications of greater navigational capacity are important, but I feel that it would be better to have a highly developed dye industry so that we're more impressive when we encounter others.
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- Location
- United States
So if it turns out managing forests can't be done yet on the coast...
[ ] [Main] Improve trails
[ ] [Secondary] Step Farms / trade expedition to lowlands
[ ] [Secondary] Expand Fishing / trade expedition to lowlands
We could swap out fishing for the trade expedition to the lowlands if it turns out it might be worth it over the fishing, or step farms since the fishing would increase our food production as well as make us less vulnerable to droughts.
[ ] [Main] Improve trails
[ ] [Secondary] Step Farms / trade expedition to lowlands
[ ] [Secondary] Expand Fishing / trade expedition to lowlands
We could swap out fishing for the trade expedition to the lowlands if it turns out it might be worth it over the fishing, or step farms since the fishing would increase our food production as well as make us less vulnerable to droughts.
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- He/Him
normally i wouldn't do this...
Since this is my thread and all, but I'm just going to put on a mod voice for a second to politely ask that people avoid falling down the spaghetti hole. Even if you are trying to address multiple people at a time, try to limit your posts to one quote per person you are addressing. Bold or highlight specific points within a given post if you need to draw special attention to a point.
Not going to do anything more than that, and if the spaghetti actually gets out of control I will contact an actual mod in to put on their mod voice, but given Squishy's announcement and the behaviours people have got up to in my quests in the past, I just figured a nudge in the right direction was needed.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
what is a spaghetti hole?
- Location
- U.S.
ditto, what is spaghetti holing?
DkArthas
CAPITAL IS TO BLAME
- Location
- Earth
- Pronouns
- They
No idea. But it sounds tasty!
- Location
- Hell
Definitely not now, but just bringing it up so we are all aware that it is something we can do if we want to pursue that.
What is Spaghetti?
You should have seen this on your banner. Squishy got into a tizzy about it again.