Don't listen to him... if the diplo leader wins we won't be able to do expand warriors, which will leave a space open <3 <3 that will then be filled by Survey Lands, Study Forest, and Study Health <3 <3
Why not expand warriors with him, he is not bad just mediocre. We can't sit around waiting for a hero chief with great martial, keep in mind that we usually don't know what stats our chiefs have unless they are heroes. While it is a good idea to take advantage of a hero chiefs strengths, do not ignore areas that need attention
 
We got two turn with our diplomat and we want to take advantage of the heroism as much as possible.

First, we need to support our buffer state/ally and make up for the cost with the economy boost.

[Main] Trade Expedition - Highland Kingdom
[Secondary] Expand Fishing
[Secondary] New Trail

Second, one last use of the diplomat hero before he die.

[Main] Trade Expedition - Metalworker
[Secondary] Expand Forest
[Secondary] Expand Warrior
 
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We will not be able to use a Main action next turn unless we use both Secondaries. The Main action proper is being used on the megaproject.
 
We got two turn with our diplomat and we want to take advantage of the heroism as much as possible.

First, we need to support our buffer state/ally and make up for the cost with the economy boost.

[Main] Trade Expedition - Highland Kingdom
[Secondary] Expand Fishing
[Secondary] New Trail

Second, one last use of the diplomat hero before he die.

[Main] Trade Expedition - Metalworker
[Secondary] Expand Forest
[Secondary] Expand Warrior
In between the megaproject completing and the government change, planning next turn is really pointless. :V

We will not be able to use a Main action next turn unless we use both Secondaries. The Main action proper is being used on the megaproject.
Hmm, the government change will complete the prerequisites for the project, and we're effectively done otherwise.
 
@Academia Nut, will Twythulmyn's heir have a higher amount of Diplomacy due to having someone with Heroic Diplomacy as a teacher?

Hmm, the government change will complete the prerequisites for the project, and we're effectively done otherwise.
Ah, right, I forgot about that.

[Main] Trade Expedition - Highland Kingdom
[Secondary] Expand Fishing
[Secondary] New Trail
I agree with this plan for the most part, but I believe that the trade mission should be sent to the Thunder Horse. With it as a Main action and being boosted by someone with Heroic Diplomacy, extending the peace could very well be possible. Better than giving the kingdom in the south dyed clothes is ensuring the nomads don't start hitting us again.
 
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We got two turn with our diplomat and we want to take advantage of the heroism as much as possible.

First, we need to support our buffer state/ally and make up for the cost with the economy boost.

[Main] Trade Expedition - Highland Kingdom
[Secondary] Expand Fishing
[Secondary] New Trail

Second, one last use of the diplomat hero before he die.

[Main] Trade Expedition - Metalworker
[Secondary] Expand Forest
[Secondary] Expand Warrior

I disagree. We have Stability 0, and, while technically neutral, this effectively denies the possibility of LoO for us. And LoO was hell of Econ booster so far.
So, I insist on maining Restore Harmony next turn; I could even *crying internally :(* delay pushing for Survey by one turn if it means we get Main Restore Harmony. Especially after major reorganization of how our civ works, especially with said reorganization being done by low-Admin chief.
Hell, I am tempted to not only Main Restore, but to dedicate both secondaries to it. But that probably won't fly, so Trails + something which uses Heroic Diplomacy should do.

Two bits of very important support for my position:
Fortunately, his work was so fundamentally motivating for the People that no one particularly minded.

One, high Stability brings more resilience: on that turn we had weird rituals (inoculation probably does not mesh well with our distaste for touching the dead) and comet; and yet, people were sufficiently happy with how things were going (+2 Stability = Optimisitc) that we did not suffer any hits from either of those. So, high Stability means less Stab hits risks.

Now for number two.
News was coming up from the south of the Highland Kingdom and the Dead Priests forcing lowland villages to submit to them, the Dead Priests much more effective at it than the Highland Kingdom. Many people from the scattered remnants of the Western Confederacy who could were creeping further north, and already there were people starting to till fields at the camp where the People watched the lowlands from the badlands at the end of the cataract, not quite ready to come to the People for aid, but definitely trying to get as far away from their neighbours as possible. The Chiefs were asking for more responsibilities and necessary rights to be able to better respond to all of the problems they encountered.

We are going to get another LoO trigger next turn, we should be ready.
 
I disagree. We have Stability 0, and, while technically neutral, this effectively denies the possibility of LoO for us. And LoO was hell of Econ booster so far.
So, I insist on maining Restore Harmony next turn; I could even *crying internally :(* delay pushing for Survey by one turn if it means we get Main Restore Harmony. Especially after major reorganization of how our civ works, especially with said reorganization being done by low-Admin chief.
Hell, I am tempted to not only Main Restore, but to dedicate both secondaries to it. But that probably won't fly, so Trails + something which uses Heroic Diplomacy should do.

Two bits of very important support for my position:


One, high Stability brings more resilience: on that turn we had weird rituals (inoculation probably does not mesh well with our distaste for touching the dead) and comet; and yet, people were sufficiently happy with how things were going (+2 Stability = Optimisitc) that we did not suffer any hits from either of those. So, high Stability means less Stab hits risks.

Now for number two.


We are going to get another LoO trigger next turn, we should be ready.

We should gain an extra stability from completion of megaproject + whatever benefit, most likely econ or spiritual.
 
We should gain an extra stability from completion of megaproject + whatever benefit, most likely econ or spiritual.

If we get a Stability bonus from completion, then maybe; but if we don't, maining Restore Harmony is a very good idea, because, well, LoO says that high Stability = bullshit Economy.
 
We should gain an extra stability from completion of megaproject + whatever benefit, most likely econ or spiritual.
Shapers of the Land only gives stability to land management type megaprojects, according to the description, and this isn't a land management type megaproject. It might have a stability benefit by pure virtue of the fact that it's wiping out smallpox as a major threat to the People forevermore, but we get no extra benefit in that regard from our traits.
 
We should gain an extra stability from completion of megaproject + whatever benefit, most likely econ or spiritual.
We likely won't get a stability boost from this, since it's not a land management type Megaproject. At least we won't get a stability boost from Shapers of the Land, but we might get one from Harmony or things being better since almost no one dies of the pox anymore.

We will get Art and Mysticims though, from the canal.
 
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If we are getting a Great and Powerful new ruler title, it needs to properly describe what makes our civ, our civ.
I can only think of one word that represents that Unstoppable Greatness.

- Gwygoyth / Gwygoytha -

- (King) / (Queen) -

(No, i am NOT joking.)
Do we have to make separate titles for male and female rulers?
 
Shapers of the Land only gives stability to land management type megaprojects, according to the description, and this isn't a land management type megaproject. It might have a stability benefit by pure virtue of the fact that it's wiping out smallpox as a major threat to the People forevermore, but we get no extra benefit in that regard from our traits.

Getting evolved Harmony out of it or something like this would be amazing though.
I mean, it is only one of our oldest traits that is still undeveloped, despite being low-key used all the time.
 
Why not expand warriors with him, he is not bad just mediocre. We can't sit around waiting for a hero chief with great martial, keep in mind that we usually don't know what stats our chiefs have unless they are heroes. While it is a good idea to take advantage of a hero chiefs strengths, do not ignore areas that need attention
Mediocre is notably worse than average. A previous hero unit (as all hero units are sorted worst->best on skills) was marked as Mediocre X, Poor Y, and Average Z. Mediocre is the poorest skill level for a hero unit we've seen described. Assuming non-hero units are -universally average-, that would make mediocre 2 steps shittier than a no-name boring guy.
 
Mediocre is notably worse than average. A previous hero unit (as all hero units are sorted worst->best on skills) was marked as Mediocre X, Poor Y, and Average Z. Mediocre is the poorest skill level for a hero unit we've seen described. Assuming non-hero units are -universally average-, that would make mediocre 2 steps shittier than a no-name boring guy.
By pure meaning of the words poor should be worse than mediocre. Plus on our current hero, it goes poor, mediocre and then heroic.
 
The spouse isn't really its own position though. Had an option for that early on, people didn't take it, remember?
Yes, but so what? it might be in the future and it pays to be prepared. Also, just because the spouse doesn't have any "official" power, doesn't mean they don't have any UNoffical power. They might not rule, but they are still important enough for a title of their own instead of just being the Gwygoytha's wife/husband.
 
Mediocre is notably worse than average. A previous hero unit (as all hero units are sorted worst->best on skills) was marked as Mediocre X, Poor Y, and Average Z. Mediocre is the poorest skill level for a hero unit we've seen described. Assuming non-hero units are -universally average-, that would make mediocre 2 steps shittier than a no-name boring guy.

I am not sure English works like this.
@Academia Nut , is Mediocre worse or better than Poor?
 
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