progressive in any sense but the political
Currently our society allows women to be Elders, it also allows them some freedoms, allowing prostitution will force more and more women into the Industry and weaken the position of women in society. If stoping that isn't progressive to you I don't even...
 
[X] Regulate such activities

[X] Yes


[X] {Main} Dedicate Place to Spirits
[X] {Secondary} Expand Warriors
[X] {Secondary} Step-Farms
[X] Regulate such activities

[X] Yes


[X] {Main} Dedicate Place to Spirits
[X] {Secondary} Expand Warriors
[X] {Secondary} Step-Farms

Immediatly changing my vote. This place is moving FAST!
Why have Dedicate be a main action &&&& send tribute??

It's basically asking for the spirit talkers to set up an enclave within us, and take over from there.
 
It doesn't destroy the issue entirely, but in countries where it is illegal we see less prostitution and corruption then in those countries where it is legal!
Yes if you only look at the official numbers and data. Unofficially and in terms of unreported data prostitution and gambling are far worse and far more dangerous.

All banning does is make it a stigma for people to talk about the issue and for there to be security measures and social protection and other insitutions in place to actually deal with the problem. All banning does is to make the problems worse because you will only ever see the tip of the iceburg, while the rest of the iceburg is hidden.
 
Yes if you only look at the official numbers and data. Unofficially and in terms of unreported data prostitution and gambling are far worse and far more dangerous.

All banning does is make it a stigma for people to talk about the issue and for there to be security measures and social protection and other insitutions in place to actually deal with the problem. All banning does is to make the problems worse because you will only ever see the tip of the iceburg, while the rest of the iceburg is hidden.
See my above post
 
Currently our society allows women to be Elders, it also allows them some freedoms, allowing prostitution will force more and more women into the Industry and weaken the position of women in society. If stoping that isn't progressive to you I don't even...
The hell? If Woman want to sell their bodies that's their choice. If we regulate it we can easily prevent people from getting forced into it.
 
IMO
main action should be for action that strengthens our foundations
secondary actions to work on military and public satisfaction
we have enough food right now so we do not have to worry for at least one turn I believe.
 
The hell? If Woman want to sell their bodies that's their choice. If we regulate it we can easily prevent people from getting forced into it.
More likely making the industry stronger and more capable of forcing women into that life, and making it acceptable to make prostitution a hereditary profession, thus training young girls to be prostitutes from a young age.
Look in countries such as Thailand, and tell me that their regulations on prostitution have helped make women more equal than western nations where it's banned
 
[X] Plan Screw the spirit walkers & organize
[X] Regulate such activities
[X] No (high chance of social strife, mitigated by certain other choices)
[X] {Main} Step-Farms
[X] {Secondary} Organize Settlement
-[X] Valley
[X] {Secondary} Organize Settlement
-[X] Coast
Organize the settlements now, avoid strife later with awful town layout efficiency. Step farms will cement our food production when it comes to farms for now despite droughts and shitty seasons.we should regulate rather than restrict or ban so we don't ostracize or piss people off enough that they go behind our backs, because how are we going to effectively stop them?
Spirit walkers can fuck off b/c they have caused enough damage and they shouldn't be fucking rewarded for it. They can take their mysticism bs and stuff it.
 
Would someone please defend why Dedicate a Place to the Spirits needs to be the Main action, rather than a secondary one? We're going to be spending years on whatever we choose, and I'd rather it be something that builds us up rather than sends us on a different track.
Because the Spirits are obviously a bit cross with us, and we'd like to fix that sooner rather than later.
 
[X] Regulate such activities
You can't ban prostitution... well you can but that won't stop it from happening. You'll simply make conditions worse and risk disease spreading easier because of a lack of regulation and oversight.

[X] No
Yeah, how about no? Even if the "spirit talkers" actually have any real power, they punished the lowlanders for being warmongering idiots. We have been generous to strangers and have promoted peace and cooperation. Why would they try to do anything to us? Also, they're being assholes themselves by punishing everybody for the actions of the lowlanders. What's up with this indiscriminate cursing of the entire region? It almost makes it seem like a coincidence, huh?

[X] {Main} Dedicate Place to Spirits
It's been long overdue and will help mitigate some of the social unrest from not sending a tribute to the spirit talkers. After all, if we have our own place of worship, we don't need to go to those assholes who keep causing floods and draughts indiscriminately because of the assholes in the lowlands.

[X] {Secondary} Expand Warriors
I'd rather have them and not need them, than need them and not have them. We've been neglecting our martial score for a while now and it'll come back to bite us in the ass at some point. Sure, the lowlanders might've been neutralized for now but I doubt that'll be permanent and I also doubt that they're the only threat we will face. We got lucky and were forewarned about the lowlanders but I doubt we'll get that lucky again.

[X] {Secondary} Organize Settlement
-[X] Valley
The biggest settlement and the one that will gain the most from a re-organization. It's necessary after the population increase over the years and it will allow us to mitigate the problems that usually arise from a lack of planning in regards to settlements.
 
Currently our society allows women to be Elders, it also allows them some freedoms, allowing prostitution will force more and more women into the Industry and weaken the position of women in society. If stoping that isn't progressive to you I don't even...
Yes that's what will happen, if you fucking ban the situation. because then Supply and Demand kicks into gear and someone will start kidnapping women to be sex slaves.

Meanwhile in actual reality in ancient Mesopotamian City States Priestress and High Priestress were also regulated prostitutes who used both their spiritual legitimacy and their bodies to gain enormous power and influence in the cities that had them.
 
[X] Regulate such activities
[X] Yes
Almost looks like magic is a thing here.
[X] {Main} Organize Settlement
[X] {Secondary} Dedicate Place to Spirits
[X] {Secondary} Establish Annual Festival
 
Yes that's what will happen, if you fucking ban the situation. because then Supply and Demand kicks into gear and someone will start kidnapping women to be sex slaves.

Meanwhile in actual reality in ancient Mesopotamian City States Priestress and High Priestress were also regulated prostitutes who used both their spiritual legitimacy and their bodies to gain enormous power and influence in the cities that had them.
The fact they had to trade their bodies for power instead of gaining it on merit just proves my point.
And the fact prostitution gave them power just shows my worries about corruption and validates them.

Thanks for the help mate. :D
 
Currently our society allows women to be Elders, it also allows them some freedoms, allowing prostitution will force more and more women into the Industry and weaken the position of women in society. If stoping that isn't progressive to you I don't even...
lol no. What a dumb idea. Women only engage in prostitution if there's an economic incentive to do so. Rarely, if their basic needs are fulfilled, do they choose to make it their main job, especially in cultures where that's disincentivized, like ours, where the parents make them settle down when they get irritated enough.

Also, sorry but I thought you were talking about making it our religion, idk whose idea that was if I was wrong.

Yes, because prostitution in the U.K is so much worse than that in Thailand....
Look at the prostitution rate of the Netherlands, instead. It's much lower because it isn't a place where people used to be extremely poor and such a culture formed. If you look at prostitution rates in the US it's basically on par, and the women involved are at much higher risk for diseases and physical abuse. The numbers are underreported because doing it is criminalized, so people don't want to report it.

Comparable to drugs, legalization but careful regulation is a better, safer path for all involved. Men don't stop wanting sex and women don't stop needing money just because the gov says it's bad.
[X] Regulate such activities
You can't ban prostitution... well you can but that won't stop it from happening. You'll simply make conditions worse and risk disease spreading easier because of a lack of regulation and oversight.

[X] No
Yeah, how about no? Even if the "spirit talkers" actually have any real power, they punished the lowlanders for being warmongering idiots. We have been generous to strangers and have promoted peace and cooperation. Why would they try to do anything to us? Also, they're being assholes themselves by punishing everybody for the actions of the lowlanders. What's up with this indiscriminate cursing of the entire region? It almost makes it seem like a coincidence, huh?

[X] {Main} Dedicate Place to Spirits
It's been long overdue and will help mitigate some of the social unrest from not sending a tribute to the spirit talkers. After all, if we have our own place of worship, we don't need to go to those assholes who keep causing floods and draughts indiscriminately because of the assholes in the lowlands.

[X] {Secondary} Expand Warriors
I'd rather have them and not need them, than need them and not have them. We've been neglecting our martial score for a while now and it'll come back to bite us in the ass at some point. Sure, the lowlanders might've been neutralized for now but I doubt that'll be permanent and I also doubt that they're the only threat we will face. We got lucky and were forewarned about the lowlanders but I doubt we'll get that lucky again.

[X] {Secondary} Organize Settlement
-[X] Valley
The biggest settlement and the one that will gain the most from a re-organization. It's necessary after the population increase over the years and it will allow us to mitigate the problems that usually arise from a lack of planning in regards to settlements.
At least your plan is reasonable, even if I still don't think we need to dedicate a main action to the spirits.

I can support the military though, especially if the spirit talkers get pissy.
[X] Regulate such activities
[X] Yes
Almost looks like magic is a thing here.
[X] {Main} Organize Settlement
[X] {Secondary} Dedicate Place to Spirits
[X] {Secondary} Establish Annual Festival
there's no evidence for that. It's called unstable weather phenomena, and the fact that if you have a fuckton of rain measles is inevitable.
 
Yes, because prostitution in the U.K is so much worse than that in Thailand....
U.K is a First World Country with a robust economy, well maybe not anymore, strong rule of law and a respected judicial system.

Thailand is not any of those.

Thailand's problem is not that they regulate Prostitution. You are trying to create a causation from a very weak correlation which ignores all other factors that are far more important.
 
So, I'm going to make a plan I'm sure nobody will agree with!


[X] Regulate such activities
[X] No
[X] {Primary} Dedicate Place to Spirits
We've put this off for awhile, and it's proving to be pretty useful. Also, if we aren't paying tribute it is necessary.
[X] {Secondary} Improve Trail
Because I want to help integrate everyone together, and roads are awesome. Ask the Romans! Also, I'd think the traders like this option.
[X] {Secondary} Domesticate Snails
Trade goods, plus I'd think this could be a good thing to have at the same time as increasing our religion. Make it colorful and more attractive than the Spirit Talkers and thus steal all their followers :V Also, pleases the Sea Villagers.

Which makes this plan Something For All:


[X] Regulate such activities
[X] No
[X] {Primary} Dedicate Place to Spirits
[X] {Secondary} Improve Trail
[X] {Secondary} Domesticate Snails
 
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lol no. What a dumb idea. Women only engage in prostitution if there's an economic incentive to do so. Rarely, if their basic needs are fulfilled, do they choose to make it their main job, especially in cultures where that's disincentivized, like ours, where the parents make them settle down when they get irritated enough.

Also, sorry but I thought you were talking about making it our religion, idk whose idea that was if I was wrong.


Look at the prostitution rate of the Netherlands, instead. It's much lower because it isn't a place where people used to be extremely poor and such a culture formed. If you look at prostitution rates in the US it's basically on par, and the women involved are at much higher risk for diseases and physical abuse. The numbers are underreported because doing it is criminalized, so people don't want to report it.

Comparable to drugs, legalization but careful regulation is a better, safer path for all involved. Men don't stop wanting sex and women don't stop needing money just because the gov says it's bad.

At least your plan is reasonable, even if I still don't think we need to dedicate a main action to the spirits.

I can support the military though, especially if the spirit talkers get pissy.

there's no evidence for that. It's called unstable weather phenomena, and the fact that if you have a fuckton of rain measles is inevitable.
If it's not reported where do you gain your evidence that it's so much worse and larger?
Also, the U.S.A is massive compared to Thailand, that means that similar numbers of prostitutes doesn't help your argument
 
The fact they had to trade their bodies for power instead of gaining it on merit just proves my point.
And the fact prostitution gave them power just shows my worries about corruption and validates them.

Thanks for the help mate. :D
.....money gives people power, food gives people power, strength gives people power, skills give people power, I am confused now.
also seriously WHY would women go into prostitution if there are other valid paying jobs that can support them? if they go into prostitution anyways they can go to the government and get registered and so are granted gov protection if we regulate it? like no need to buy from a shady drug dealer if the drug is legal and sold via certified shops?
 
Changing my vote.

[X] Regulate such activities
[X] No
[X] [Write In] Great Canal
[X] {Secondary} Step Farms
[X] {Secondary} Establish Annual Festival

Great canal will improve trade and transportation between our villages so much it isn't funny. Not to mention it opens up future options for Canal Locks. Since the Lowlanders were fucked over so much building a wall isn't really a priority. Step Farms will greatly improve our food production while decreasing our vulnerability to droughts and floods.

Finally, if we establish an Annual Festival it would go a long way towards smoothing over any social strife while not turning towards religion.

Ninja Edit:forgot the first 2.
 
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The fact they had to trade their bodies for power instead of gaining it on merit just proves my point.
And the fact prostitution gave them power just shows my worries about corruption and validates them.

Thanks for the help mate. :D
Have you read my post at all? The foundation of their power comes from their legitimacy and influence as the attendants of the Gods. Sex was another tool in their arsenal when it comes to making connections and the power struggles against the rising warrior casts of Kings, with which they could become even more powerful.
 
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