- Location
- U.S.
how would you go about stamping out gambling and paid sex? and how would regulating it make it extremely common exactly?
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
- Start date
- Original
- Location
- Voidbetweenstars
Why should we give resources to the people who have 'caused' flooding in our land?
redzonejoe
Vaguely Pastafarian
- Location
- Canada
[X] Restrict such activities
[X] Yes
[X] {Main} Organize Settlement
-[X] Valley
[X] {Secondary} Dedicate Place to Spirits
[X] {Secondary} Step-Farms
[X] Yes
[X] {Main} Organize Settlement
-[X] Valley
[X] {Secondary} Dedicate Place to Spirits
[X] {Secondary} Step-Farms
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Deadly Snark
Tryhard As Fuck
To stop them from flooding us even more?
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
Yes we can. Weather instability usually does have periods of rain followed by periods of drought of rain of drought and etc. until it figures its shit out.
I never wanted a giant wall, I wanted endless forts expanding into the lowlands as we slowly conquered them AND an expansion of settlements into the interior, toward the fishers.
We don't need to go to the spirit walkers because we can just be like "Oh spirits, we understand that you favor the spirit talkers, but feel that the path they have taken is too lacking in kindness. Oh spirits, please, come and heed our words. We wish for the better path, the path of the gardener, the giver. Oh spirits, heed our words, bring calm to our skies, and protect us and all those who respect and safeguard the land."
Tbh I just straight up don't support hedonism. I don't mind having different gods of chance and love, e.g. sacred whores or god-chosen, but I just don't want a religion, and I much much more do not want a religion that doesn't aim to build but just aims for, like, stuff that's weird and new to us Europeanized folk w/ squicky morals. Pick a religion because it sounds good, not because it sounds cool.
- Location
- Mists of Albion
I did say something productive.
I made the point that we didn't mitigate the famines fallout.
Yet everything went fine.
Don't accuse me of specking mate.
I'll be sarcastic if someone peeved me off.
But don't accuse me of that when I have a valid point.
- Location
- Voidbetweenstars
why not simply kill them?
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Non-zero chance that killing the Spirit Talkers will lead to out of control and/or vengeful spirits.
- Location
- Voidbetweenstars
Why they started it were are totally justified.
- Location
- Europe
Damn, people are really quick to vote. Are the choices really that obvious? They seem fairly complex to me.
Anyway, I separated the options for projects into five categories if anyone is interested. Some of the options have crossover between them though:
Anyway, I separated the options for projects into five categories if anyone is interested. Some of the options have crossover between them though:
Martial:
- Build Wall - Long experience with retaining walls has lead to the idea of a settlement wall for protection (Extra benefit if after or during Organize Settlement)
- Expand Warriors - More men can be inducted into the ranks of the warriors every year and not face major food shortfalls
- Organize Settlement - Because everyone contributes to the whole, the borders of fields could be reworked. Perhaps a similar principle can be applied to the buildings in which people dwell [King]
- Dedicate Place to Spirits - The people have increasingly much to be thankful for, and while individual observations of respect for the supernatural continues, perhaps something more grand to represent the group as a whole is required
- Establish Annual Festival - People already like to celebrate at certain times of the year, but with the level of control over food distribution a new and particularly lavish festival can be established
- Domesticate Snails - The snails that can have their shells processed into a vibrant dye have long resisted being directly managed, but with the expertise in land, water, plant and animal management they might be made to live as cattle and sheep live
- Improve Trail - The path between the valley and the sea has been cut by generations of travellers, but the dirt path is easily disrupted by rain. Infrastructure improvements could be done to reduce this damage
- Expand Fishing - There are managed cultivation zones along the shore, and dedicating more people to the tasks can increase the yields of fish and luxuries brought in
- Expand Farms - The people have brought an enormous amount of land under cultivation in the valley, but there is more available in more marginal areas, and in the forests around the fishing village
- Expand Fishing - There are managed cultivation zones along the shore, and dedicating more people to the tasks can increase the yields of fish and luxuries brought in
- Expand Pasture - While the traders mostly just take their animals where there is good grazing, specific areas can be set aside around the settlements that can be made ideal for the protected grazing of herds
- Expand Managed Forests - The forests atop the hills surrounding your valley are now an integral part of your water management system as well as providing materials and the occasional bit of game. Expanding onto the back side of the hills can only bring more benefit
- Step-Farms - Bringing the irrigation systems to its limit, the hills can be sculpted into a series of steps, each step supporting a farm plot, the run off from a higher farm irrigating the farms lower down [Gardeners][King]
- Establish Annual Festival - People already like to celebrate at certain times of the year, but with the level of control over food distribution a new and particularly lavish festival can be established
- New Settlement - The land is not particularly good for farming in between the valley and the sea, but there are places where a settlement could be set up, serving as a stop over point along the journey between the two settlements (If chosen during or after an Organize Settlement action, automatically Organized)
- Organize Settlement - Because everyone contributes to the whole, the borders of fields could be reworked. Perhaps a similar principle can be applied to the buildings in which people dwell [King]
- Improve Trail - The path between the valley and the sea has been cut by generations of travellers, but the dirt path is easily disrupted by rain. Infrastructure improvements could be done to reduce this damage
Random Member
Gardener of Human Happiness
- Location
- Behind You
Ah, canals. Very A Dragon of the North.
Deadly Snark
Tryhard As Fuck
1. How do you send enough men and supplies to destroy a powerful and wealthy people in a far away land? Keeping in mind that if you give the warriors too much food your civilisation will starve, and if you don't give them enough they'll probably starve to death or be extremely weak by the time our warriors reach them. And then they have to assault an entrenched civilisation. Good luck on that.
2. You really wanna annoy the people who can call down floods on command?
- Location
- Mists of Albion
We're already pretty hedonistic, considering the fact that we have enough food to ignore harvests for years, and are rich, and already have enough riches to engage in prostitution and gambling.
Besides, aside from the Lowlanders and the Spirit Talkers we are already a local hegemon
redzonejoe
Vaguely Pastafarian
- Location
- Canada
Because we could deal with it.
We were worried about the lowlanders, the spirit talkers took care of the problem in a way we could handle.
If we were more concerned with the land, we should have sent a group to ask them not to do this. Then our outrage wild be justified.
However, knowing that something like this may be coming, Our people merely braced themselves. That's effectively giving our implied permission.
What's true or not matters less than what our people perceive as true. Our people believe the spirit walkers helped preform a miracle that smote down our greatest foe and left us relatively unharmed. That's why there's the penalty for saying no.
These people are in some ways a hippy commune. They like nature, they share everything and they don't make a big deal about pre-marital realtions. Chill. As I said, paying is the new issue here, which is why there needs to be regulation. Gambling is a bit more iffy, but it is something nearly impossible to stomp out once there is an actual money substitute to gamble in.
That is a very good point which people should consider. Which is why I choose Festival and New Settlement, one to speed up the merging of the people, and one to connect them a bit more.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
Only if spirits exist. Though if we kill them the other tribes might be pissed regardless. But honestly, if we don't kill/dominate them now they'll have established a fully formed religion that a bunch of people subscribe to. Our only choice is to a) not tribute and b) prepare overwhelming economic superiority and maybe appease people with a small shrine or two.
tf is dragon of the north?
lol what? U realize that literally everyone engages in prostitution and gambling, right? Like, they're embedded in any culture where ppl aren't dead-tired from working or have overly strict morals and tradition.
we can still say no and try to mitigate it bro!!
Deadly Snark
Tryhard As Fuck
The emergence of the beginning of prostitution and gambling is not what I call hedonistic, considering that our people are very productive and work very hard. And it's certainly not at the level of Rome which had an entire Empire to feed the desires of it's elite classes, which was your original claim.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Presumeably the Spirits are a-okay with destroying us, given that they are currently trying to destroy us.
If anything, us killing their clearly favoured people will turn them even more against us.
- Location
- U.S.
hmmmm, @Academia Nut can we send instead of tribute, we send the spirit people a gift for their actions which protected our people and extend friendship towards them?
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
like snail dye
Sorry, I'm on coffee right now. Coffee and an essay deadline.
My vote:
[X] Regulate such activites
[X] No
or send a gift for protecting us but explicitly not tribute
[X] {Main} Organize Settlement
-Valley
[X] {Secondary} Step Farms
[X] {Secondary} Domesticate Snails
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- Location
- Illinois
Japan says hi.
