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[X] Regulate such activities
[X] No (high chance of social strife, mitigated by certain other choices)
[X] {Main} Dedicate Place to Spirits
[X] {Secondary} Organize Settlement
-[X] Valley
[X] {Secondary} Build Wall
-[X] Valley
Academia Nut said:
Also, so you all know, the spirit talkers are also totally a nega-SV group.
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At this point, I almost want to write negaverse Lowlanders past turn just for the lolz.
 
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I actually have to agree with the wall camp guys, remember what war and natural disaster produces.

Waves and Wave of Desperate Refugees that will flood to a potential new home by any means possible.

The Lowlanders might not hold a grudge against us, but a lot of them will be hungry and desperate, and we live in a territory that is plentiful and well off and is close to them.
 
Tylonius said:
"We roll to have the spirits smite the Lowlanders with the curses of weather and disease!"
*Flood, drought, and sickness*
"...holy shit it worked"
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"Hail the dice spirits!"
"Holy fuck, do the spirits actually exist? Wasn't this just supposed to be an easy way to improve our culture and get free food?"
"Muhahaha! Bow before us, puny mortals! We have the backing of the Dice Spirits! Send us tribute!"
 
Deadly Snark said:
You do understand the principle of supply and demand right? If there is a Demand, there will be a supply by any means possible. Banning doesn't make the situation safer, it will make it immeasurably worse
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We are in a very early society, we can't stop gambling and prostitution, but we can majorly lessen it by making it a social stigma!
I want a society where sexual diseases aren't common, where corruption via gambling etc is considered taboo, not expected.
You guys have tried to make this society about virtue.
Then because 'oh we can't stop it' you don't even try!
It's only been weak arguments levels against me so far.
So come on, show me why we should throw away all of our work towards a moral society.
Show me why all the bullshit you guys have done about charity in famines and being quasi-pacifists is worth throwing away for rampant sex and gambling.
Go ahead.
I'm waiting.
 
[X] Regulate such activities
[X] Yes
[X] {Main} Organize Settlement
-[X] Valley
[X] {Secondary} New Settlement
[X] {Secondary} Establish Annual Festival

Deadly Snark said:
I actually have to agree with the wall camp guys, remember what war and natural disaster produces.

Waves and Wave of Desperate Refugees that will flood to a potential new home by any means possible.

The Lowlanders might not hold a grudge against us, but a lot of them will be hungry and desperate, and we live in a territory that is plentiful and well off and is close to them.
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It is a settelment wall, not the Great Wall or a Border Wall. It would stop them from taking our main stores, but it won't stop raids on farms and such. I doubt the lowlanders could keep the level of organization needed for anything more than that.
 
Ian Drash said:
It is a settelment wall, not the Great Wall or a Border Wall. It would stop them from taking our main stores, but it won't stop raids on farms and such. I doubt the lowlanders could keep the level of organization needed for anything more than that.
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You misunderstand, not raids because that's small time for desperate people that are dying from disease and famine. But a desperate migration to settle down in our territory.
 
McLuvin said:
There's no wall.
Everybody said they would get a wall when it was presented!
Where is it?
Nowhere.
Everybody ignoring their own reasoning and advice!
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We don't know if the lowlanders will remain a threat or not.

Why does no one want to either a) build a canal or b) build a giant dam? Like, just think about the effect that a giant dam would have on our economy, or the ease a canal would provide in connecting our civilization to the fishers <3 <3

Before I vote for something, I want to see what other people think.
Everyone seems to support regulating, so that's not an issue.
Why do people want to send tribute to the spirit talkers?
Why do people want to dedicate a place to the spirits? We're already on the path to establishing a non-spirit-based culture!! Come on guys!! Stand against the outrage!

Why would you dedicate an ENTIRE major action to it, rather than the smaller ones? We could put an emphasis on Step Farms to reduce the impact that future droughts will have on us. OR, more importantly, we could build a canal!!! A CANAL A MOON's TRAVEL LONG!!! TO THE OCEAN!!!!! Or we could do a dam which would have a lake which would reduce the impact of floods and give us a stable water supply when drought comes!

Or we could cut a trail and lay stone to improve our rate of travel, or domesticate snails so that we can get an increased supply of that rare dye!! Or organize AND establish a new settlement!
Random Member said:
Except countries that have legalized prostitution are on average more equal than countries that have banned it....

[X] Regulate such activities
[X] No (high chance of social strife, mitigated by certain other choices)
[X] {Main} Dedicate Place to Spirits
[X] {Secondary} Organize Settlement
-[X] Valley
[X] {Secondary} Build Wall
-[X] Valley
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100% agree that regulation is the best choice.
 
SpeckofStardust said:
The people in the US of A thought the same thing about alcohol, trying to ban it is directly responsible for the Mafia.
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Given La Cosa Nostra originated in Italy, I think you're oversimplifying here.
McLuvin said:
We needed something to help us recover from the famine...
But we doubled down on the fish instead.
Don't worry though.
"We'll get it next time!"
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...We essentially annexed two other cultures entirely peacefully as a result and won the tech lottery.

As a result of 'doubling down on fish'. Incidentally, we probably survived the drought-flood cycle so well because we annexed the fishing village. Whereas step farms would have probably accomplished jack squat without the water to develop them. Heavy labor while people are starving isn't so good.

So yes, you can thank those of us who 'doubled down on fish', we pretty much rocked last turn.
 
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McLuvin said:
We are in a very early society, we can't stop gambling and prostitution, but we can majorly lessen it by making it a social stigma!
I want a society where sexual diseases aren't common, where corruption via gambling etc is considered taboo, not expected.
You guys have tried to make this society about virtue.
Then because 'oh we can't stop it' you don't even try!
It's only been weak arguments levels against me so far.
So come on, show me why we should throw away all of our work towards a moral society.
Show me why all the bullshit you guys have done about charity in famines and being quasi-pacifists is worth throwing away for rampant sex and gambling.
Go ahead.
I'm waiting.
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If you recall the meeting with the nomads and the fisherman, rampant sex is something that happens pretty often with our people. They are very free spirited and communal about it. Paying for it is the new thing, not having it.
 
McLuvin said:
We are in a very early society, we can't stop gambling and prostitution, but we can majorly lessen it by making it a social stigma!
I want a society where sexual diseases aren't common, where corruption via gambling etc is considered taboo, not expected.
You guys have tried to make this society about virtue.
Then because 'oh we can't stop it' you don't even try!
It's only been weak arguments levels against me so far.
So come on, show me why we should throw away all of our work towards a moral society.
Show me why all the bullshit you guys have done about charity in famines and being quasi-pacifists is worth throwing away for rampant sex and gambling.
Go ahead.
I'm waiting.
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Relegating it will be safer and more virtuous in the end. While we can't stop it, we can limit it so that while gambling and prostitution are fine, overindulging in it is frowned upon. Gambling and sex aren't inherently bad things, it's only when taken to extremes that it becomes a problem.
 
[X] Regulate such activities
[X] No (high chance of social strife, mitigated by certain other choices)
[X] {Main} Dedicate Place to Spirits
[X] {Secondary} Organize Settlement
-[X] Valley
[X] {Secondary} Build Wall
-[X] Valley
 
As skeptical of this whole spirit business as I am, I kinda feel like we should vote yes to tribute given how effective the weather has been in effing up the lowlands.

I mean, we can explain it away, but our people are probably in awe. Both of the spirits, and of the spirit talkers.

Now we could say no and dedicate a place to the spirits in our own territory, but that still doesn't address the spirit talkers' apparent role in recent events. Building a local shrine only addresses half the equation.

Look, I hate those assholes too, but from the perspective of our relatively unharmed people, they deserve better than our scorn. Eye for an eye means justice, and ignoring them when we're otherwise so generous isn't just.

Plus, we can see this as an information gathering trip!
 
McLuvin said:
We are in a very early society, we can't stop gambling and prostitution, but we can majorly lessen it by making it a social stigma!
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Social Stigma has never stopped people from doing this illegally before and with the conditions being worse than they would have been if they were simply regulate.

Sex and Games are not things you can get rid off, it's not like an opposing religion that you can either stamp out or absorb. They are a inherent part of human nature, and I have no desire to waste time and effort trying to fight a futile battle.
 
[X] Regulate such activities

[X] Yes

[X] {Main} Organize Settlement
-[X] Valley
[X] {Secondary} Dedicate Place to Spirits
[X] {Secondary} Expand Warriors
 
Citino said:
Relegating it will be safer and more virtuous in the end. While we can't stop it, we can limit it so that while gambling and prostitution are fine, overindulging in it is frowned upon. Gambling and sex aren't inherently bad things, it's only when taken to extremes that it becomes a problem.
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We can't micro that though!
If we do let it occur, we're basically saying, yeah, go ahead.
How long before it goes to the extremes Roman style...
 
McLuvin said:
We can't micro that though!
If we do let it occur, we're basically saying, yeah, go ahead.
How long before it goes to the extremes Roman style...
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We can't micro it, no. But I doubt regulating will swing our customs to 'and suddenly SEX EVERYWHERE.' More likely, it will just turn it into a business, which was common in many older societies.
 
McLuvin said:
We can't micro that though!
If we do let it occur, we're basically saying, yeah, go ahead.
How long before it goes to the extremes Roman style...
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If it reaches Roman Extremes then that mean our civilization managed to claw/build it's way into being the local hegemon and even a powerful and prosperous empire than can afford to indulge in the extremes.
 
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