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If the highlanders shatter then pretty much all our neighbours will have no memory of a time before ymaryn was the dominant power in the region.

Ymaryn are eternal.
 
It's actually that I/the thread am waking up from a deathless slumber.

Although at this point I have come to the conclusion that I fundamentally need to rip out the systems in play, and thus I am currently mulling options. Part of the delay is that I have been reading through other long running quests like Panopticon and To Bold Go to see how they do things. There are likely to be some radical shake-ups, quite possibly to the point of making a sequel thread.

Or, more appropriately, the system for this quest has become too complicated to manage and all the plates being spun are no longer possible, so an external disruption has overwhelmed the ability of central administration to keep it all going, leading to a collapse and reformation ;)
 
Academia Nut said:
It's actually that I/the thread am waking up from a deathless slumber.

Although at this point I have come to the conclusion that I fundamentally need to rip out the systems in play, and thus I am currently mulling options. Part of the delay is that I have been reading through other long running quests like Panopticon and To Bold Go to see how they do things. There are likely to be some radical shake-ups, quite possibly to the point of making a sequel thread.

Or, more appropriately, the system for this quest has become too complicated to manage and all the plates being spun are no longer possible, so an external disruption has overwhelmed the ability of central administration to keep it all going, leading to a collapse and reformation ;)
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@Durin has managed to keep embers running fine for years. Maybe you should have a chat with him and exchange tips?

Edit: Mechanically this quest is very different to the ck2 system used by durin.
 
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Academia Nut said:
It's actually that I/the thread am waking up from a deathless slumber.

Although at this point I have come to the conclusion that I fundamentally need to rip out the systems in play, and thus I am currently mulling options. Part of the delay is that I have been reading through other long running quests like Panopticon and To Bold Go to see how they do things. There are likely to be some radical shake-ups, quite possibly to the point of making a sequel thread.

Or, more appropriately, the system for this quest has become too complicated to manage and all the plates being spun are no longer possible, so an external disruption has overwhelmed the ability of central administration to keep it all going, leading to a collapse and reformation ;)
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I still think that our first ever distribute land can be stretched enough to account for radical changes.
Like hey the additional rights we gave the Patricians means we no longer have to oversee everything ourself.
 
Consider posting your system-building thoughts in-thread once you've got a direction in mind. I for one would be happy to contribute suggestions and/or poke at things for potential problems.
 
Academia Nut said:
Or, more appropriately, the system for this quest has become too complicated to manage and all the plates being spun are no longer possible, so an external disruption has overwhelmed the ability of central administration to keep it all going, leading to a collapse and reformation
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Tthe bronze age of the thread is drawing to a close, let's salvage what we can of it and head into the iron age at full sprint!
 
Is it bad that I hope we stay in this thread, if only so that we retain all of our progress towards Longest Thread?
 
redzonejoe said:
Tthe bronze age of the thread is drawing to a close, let's salvage what we can of it and head into the iron age at full sprint!
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To be honest, while I know that it's the journey and not the destination, there is a very large part of me that wants to fast forward to the Space Age, which I know is rather much of a jump...

Stupid brain. Anyway, I do intend to have the Ymaryn carry on in some way, I'm just also kind of going "You've already kind of dug yourself into the sort of hole where I know the broad strokes of the next three thousand years, and there's gonna be a whole lot of salt along the way..."
 
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You've already kind of dug yourself into the sort of hole where I know the broad strokes of the next three thousand years, and there's gonna be a whole lot of salt along the way...
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That sounds pretty unfun, actually.


Honestly, if you don't want to go through this journey, just... don't? You are starting a sequel anyways. There is no reason the sequel has to start in ten or a hundred years and not a thousand.
 
Academia Nut said:
To be honest, while I know that it's the journey and not the destination, there is a very large part of me that wants to fast forward to the Space Age, which I know is rather much of a jump...

Stupid brain. Anyway, I do intend to have the Ymaryn carry on in some way, I'm just also kind of going "You've already kind of dug yourself into the sort of hole where I know the broad strokes of the next three thousand years, and there's gonna be a whole lot of salt along the way..."
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We could maybe do 100 year narrative pick your poison turns?
 
Academia Nut said:
To be honest, while I know that it's the journey and not the destination, there is a very large part of me that wants to fast forward to the Space Age, which I know is rather much of a jump...

Stupid brain. Anyway, I do intend to have the Ymaryn carry on in some way, I'm just also kind of going "You've already kind of dug yourself into the sort of hole where I know the broad strokes of the next three thousand years, and there's gonna be a whole lot of salt along the way..."
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Well we are the primary salt exporters in the region...

No no, not the Ymaryn. SV's questers. Gotta keep that salt up to meet demand!

More seriously, I'm cool with whatever. I like strife and misfortune and whatnot, I see them as interesting challenges, but salt levels do get kinda annoying at times. If you want to skip it and write some sci-fi im so down for that too. Remember when I made that one Stellaris empire based on this quest? Good times.
 
As an addendum to the above - if you want to preserve continuity while fast forwarding towards spacequest, you could have super-high-level updates spanning centuries that dictate what direction things take. Then, once you get to where you want to be, drop back into high resolution.
 
Academia Nut said:
It's actually that I/the thread am waking up from a deathless slumber.

Although at this point I have come to the conclusion that I fundamentally need to rip out the systems in play, and thus I am currently mulling options. Part of the delay is that I have been reading through other long running quests like Panopticon and To Bold Go to see how they do things. There are likely to be some radical shake-ups, quite possibly to the point of making a sequel thread.

Or, more appropriately, the system for this quest has become too complicated to manage and all the plates being spun are no longer possible, so an external disruption has overwhelmed the ability of central administration to keep it all going, leading to a collapse and reformation ;)
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Grand simplification pretty much has to be done. We're using a system developed for a tribal society, stretched it to fit the new burdens, but its kind of starting to rip from all the stretching. The economic system sure was never meant to undergo so many transactions per turn...
 
Academia Nut said:
It's actually that I/the thread am waking up from a deathless slumber.

Although at this point I have come to the conclusion that I fundamentally need to rip out the systems in play, and thus I am currently mulling options. Part of the delay is that I have been reading through other long running quests like Panopticon and To Bold Go to see how they do things. There are likely to be some radical shake-ups, quite possibly to the point of making a sequel thread.

Or, more appropriately, the system for this quest has become too complicated to manage and all the plates being spun are no longer possible, so an external disruption has overwhelmed the ability of central administration to keep it all going, leading to a collapse and reformation ;)
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Yes, yes, you want to see our central government collapse already.

On a more serious note, oh thank goodness. The system has been nothing more than patchwork fixes for so long that I started equating it to duct tape.

Some requests for the new system.
  • Better scaling between local government and central government. We're still using a system meant to handle the responsibilities and powers from a neolithic society for the most part.
  • A new classification of projects. Many of our megaprojects are not the attempts of pushing the boundaries of what we can do that they used to be, and we almost always want to be working on one or another, because they are both that cheap and important, not to mention doing the things we care most about as the central government. Which we effectively are. Either we need a new project type to take the place of the old level of megaprojects, or these current projects need to be separated into a new type of project. Something like national projects.
  • Local powers having a system where they can safely compete without destroying the state. At the moment, we pretty much only have one of two extremes. Either local powers are ignorable, or they are the latest crises.
  • Revamped diplomacy. We have a rather primitive sphere of influence in between the games and our prestige, but our current diplomatic options do not reflect that. It might be a bit early, but I suspect taking the time to rework the diplomacy system now will save duct tape latter.
  • Reduce costs to one currency. Stats being adjusted is fine, but that should be an exception, rather than the norm at this point, our civilization should be stable enough that we don't have to be terrified about crashing the economy every turn for most of these stats. Making everything cost currency and be gated in terms of what is possible and/or effective ny their relevant stat(s) would be my suggestion. Not to mention this will deal with one of the biggest grievances people have.
Anyways, good luck revamping the system.
 
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Lightning Round I
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    • Okay, lightning round, gonna give these a few hours each:

    There are threats from within and without, where did the People focus their attentions when not forced otherwise by circumstances?
    [] [Threats] West
    [] [Threats] East
    [] [Threats] Steppes
    [] [Threats] Internal

    Pick a development focus
    [] [Focus] Military
    [] [Focus] Infrastructure
    [] [Focus] Technology/Science
    [] [Focus] Culture
    [] [Focus] Trade and Diplomacy
    [] [Focus] Expansion
     
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