Their behavior is reasonable, and that's why we need to curtail and/or destroy them all the more - because it's not going to change.
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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We already have an absurdly powerful social harmony value and disaster preparedness that borders on fanatical. I'm not sure how else we could reinforce social stability without turning to outright repressive measures.
Personally I'm aghast at the idea of him dragging us into a war we might actually lose. Besides, it's not like war gets us anything. We don't take slaves, and we barely do any looting. We could gain territory, but we haven't even begun to integrate the territory we got from the last war. Right now we want to build dams and maybe see about getting our legal system more organized, not deal with a war of our own making.
We could always engage in senseless nomad slaughter on a massive scale.
We just did that recently
- Location
- The Deep Blue Sea
I think that particular slaughter was, if not sensible, than at least not senseless.
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
I meant more of an offensive war. If our next king really itches for a war and all other conquests would have more negative consequences then positive ones, or at least not give us anything we want even if we were a 100% successful then a full on Rage Against the Steppes would be a way to channel our aggression with at least a small benefit. Namely, the reduction of the nomad threat for generations to come. Especially if we also kill all grazing animals we can't take back home and, who knows, maybe even apply a few generous "Salt Gifts" directly to the earth.
Who knows, maybe it would even upgrade our Rage Against the Steppes legacy. At the very least it would dispel the notion future readers have that the Ymaryn are "good".
Who knows, maybe it would even upgrade our Rage Against the Steppes legacy. At the very least it would dispel the notion future readers have that the Ymaryn are "good"
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Actually the local nomads have been wiped out. They always do for a few turns after a big waagh.I meant more of an offensive war. If our next king really itches for a war and all other conquests would have more negative consequences then positive ones, or at least not give us anything we want even if we were a 100% successful then a full on Rage Against the Steppes would be a way to channel our aggression with at least a small benefit. Namely, the reduction of the nomad threat for generations to come. Especially if we also kill all grazing animals we can't take back home and, who knows, maybe even apply a few generous "Salt Gifts" directly to the earth.
Who knows, maybe it would even upgrade our Rage Against the Steppes legacy. At the very least it would dispel the notion future readers have that the Ymaryn are "good"
For the foreseeable future, we won't lose any wars, but we may be left with an empire far too large for us to manage.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Well already have the storm Ymaryn. We could make a few other nations like that.
I mean, if we want to irresponsibly conquer land in an effort to recklessly spread glorious Ymaryn culture before the inevitable collapse, the obvious answer is to turn the northern trading post into a colony, not declare war on the nomads, our friends who will have to start copying our infrastructure to gain nearly the same benefits we do from the artisan games, or the small isolationist nation that is built to bleed us dry if we try and invade it.
- Location
- Voidbetweenstars
- Location
- United States
I mean, if we want to pull off an Alexander and go full conquering, we have the best people available to do it right now.
We just have to call up the Mass Levy, point the heir in the general direction we remember the Khemetri being, and tell him to conquer everything in sight in the name of Glorious Ymar.
As he conquers, he can just Distribute the Land to some of the Mass Levy, letting it slowly decrease in size and increase in experience as we push into the Khem.
There, he will either conquer them and continue to spread, or he will die and we'll probably collapse into a bunch of fiefdoms led by his Generals, while the Core is forced to go back into a fully agrarian lifestyle as the cities dissolve from the majority of their occupants leaving at the same time.
It sounds like an absolutely horrendous idea, personally, but if we were to go and do it, I think that would be the least stupid way to accomplish such a thing.
Travisplo
The Necromonsieur
That... Actually sounds sort of awesome. And it could actually work. Not something I'd suggest we try, but a cool hypothetical to think about. Sorta sounds like a cool way to make an empire out of a massively populated kingdom. A way to expand, while also rolling back to our roots.
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Legion0047
Retired Shadowrunner.
- Location
- Austria
- Pronouns
- God Emperor
I still want us to develop arbites and rotating governours.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
We had a chance for that in the past.
Legion0047
Retired Shadowrunner.
- Location
- Austria
- Pronouns
- God Emperor
i know.
i voted for it but i understand that negating panem was more important.
i voted for it but i understand that negating panem was more important.
Absolutely not related to Panem actually.
It was a deadly amount of Diplomacy drain per turn.
Legion0047
Retired Shadowrunner.
- Location
- Austria
- Pronouns
- God Emperor
Oh so it was -1 diplo per turn per vassal?
that also makes sense.
that also makes sense.
ExNihilo
SPACE!
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
There was another specification, only 'landed vassals' or such, but it was still far too high to be comfortable.
- Location
- The Deep Blue Sea
I wonder how that would have been framed in the new mechanics. -1 to Diplo Pool per landed vassal, or some such?
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Pretty sure it the cost was over twice our Diplo income so well, we had it maxed out, that would only buy us a few turns until we had a diplo crisis on our hands. So while shiny, we couldn't afford it without making compromises somewhere else.
It didn't count mercenaries, or free cities, but it DID count colonies, trade posts and marches. Of which we had a shitload.
I'm not feeling great about our chances against the Mediterranean empire. Mainly because I'm pretty sure they have ridiculous naval superiority which they can use to cut off our offshore colonies and if they conquer those we'll shatter from the stability loss.
That's why holding the Trelli Straits was so critically important.
Beyond that, with the Storm Ymaryn having retreated from the coasts and the continued expansion of the colonies since, I think we have territorial contiguity with all our western colonies, with us holding the entire northern and most of the western shore of the Yllthon Sea.
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They'll also be on the very end of their logistical trail and need a stable control over Trelli Strait to do it. Plus, 4 Navy is not too bad.