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Janadus said:
Someone's going to settle Trelli shortly after they recover from the Horseman's Plague. Unlike Xohyr, there is a strong incentive to settle that particular spot. Still, I don't see any particular reason to rush. Trade and expansion are not the primary concerns of most civilizations right now, so Trelli's probably going to be mostly empty for a handful of turns.

On that note, the Khemetri have abandoned their northern colonies. If we're interested in Saffron Sea access, then it's going to be much easier to take and hold those than the straits; we'd have direct land access, and the Gul River would help negate the obvious infrastructure strain. Whether that'd be a good idea is entirely contingent upon how recovered we are and how well our subordinates behave, but unless the Khemetri recover unusually fast, it's likely to be our best option to get a port on the Saffron Sea for a while.
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But that brings us into conflict with a peer power. That's even worse than Trelli.

Granted, we don't know what shape the Med and Khem is in. It's not been that long that rogue mercenaries rampaged through there and the disease will have led to even more refugees that turn to banditry to survive.
 
DakkaMania said:
But that brings us into conflict with a peer power. That's even worse than Trelli.

Granted, we don't know what shape the Med and Khem is in. It's not been that long that rogue mercenaries rampaged through there and the disease will have led to even more refugees that turn to banditry to survive.
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Well, unless the Khemetri did really well with their quarantine rolls, I don't think they will have the time or energy to pick those colonies back up for quite a while. So I doubt it will bring us into conflict with them, unless we get too greedy and try to goble up most of their lost colonies.

I'm thinking we might want to see about getting just enough land to let us build that canal to them if needed, so that way we aren't stuck having to try and get an agreement the next time we want to try and build the damned canal.
 
Citino said:
Well, unless the Khemetri did really well with their quarantine rolls, I don't think they will have the time or energy to pick those colonies back up for quite a while. So I doubt it will bring us into conflict with them, unless we get too greedy and try to goble up most of their lost colonies.

I'm thinking we might want to see about getting just enough land to let us build that canal to them if needed, so that way we aren't stuck having to try and get an agreement the next time we want to try and build the damned canal.
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On the upside, if we do that Canal, a potential Trelli colony is much less able to go independent as we can just direct the trade through the other canal.

But the problem remains. If Khem returns and objects, we have another war.

Ironically, if we hadn't absorbed Gulvalley it would have probably happened automatically.
 
bluefur87 said:
Everyone's talking about the double glassworks and I'm looking at the double main study health, backed by symphony, under a heroic mystic king.
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Conjecturing on the bonuses and what sort of results would lead to what, I think we have something like a 15-25% chance to get something really special out of it? That includes 'succeed on all four rolls' 'get doubles on at least two rolls' and 'critically succeed at least one roll'

Perhaps a 1% chance for something absurd, by the time you tally up all the possible ways to get 2 100s or 2 99s or 4 identical successes and even silly things like 96 97 98 99
 
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Citino said:
Well, unless the Khemetri did really well with their quarantine rolls, I don't think they will have the time or energy to pick those colonies back up for quite a while. So I doubt it will bring us into conflict with them, unless we get too greedy and try to goble up most of their lost colonies.

I'm thinking we might want to see about getting just enough land to let us build that canal to them if needed, so that way we aren't stuck having to try and get an agreement the next time we want to try and build the damned canal.
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The Khemetri were arrogant enough to claim some of our colony as their own when we first met, so I have to presume that they will be highly possessive of their clay.

They will likely be rather pissed if we try and take their former colonies as our own, and we wouldn't be able to give it up once we took it because of Divine Stewards.

I'm just going to hope none of our wayward colonies are stupid enough to expand into that area.
 
Candesce said:
Fortunately, we just absorbed the only colony in position to try that.

Not an argument for integration that came up in discussion, but one I'll take all the same.
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True

Maybe it will be easier to build the Khemetri Canal since the land is unoccupied?

I doubt they will object as much to letting us do something that benefits us both on land that they can't currently use.

Still, something to think about after the Lowlands Canal.
 
Raichu1972 said:
The Khemetri were arrogant enough to claim some of our colony as their own when we first met, so I have to presume that they will be highly possessive of their clay.

They will likely be rather pissed if we try and take their former colonies as our own, and we wouldn't be able to give it up once we took it because of Divine Stewards.

I'm just going to hope none of our wayward colonies are stupid enough to expand into that area.
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Tbf, that was because they were both king of the hill, and had only vaguely heard of us. Both sides have since noped at the idea of fighting another war, just based on the knowledge that there is legitimately no way for either side to ever 'win', only to wear the other down until they finally give in a bit.

Not to mention the Khemetri colonies are likely half dead, and any real enclaves are probably focused around the coasts. If we don't get greedy, we could claim enough land to reach the other river, and the Khemetri probably won't care, or even remember by the time they return.

Edit: Though honestly, we have so many other things to do right now, I doubt we will even attempt to take that land.
 
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The Gold Mine is going to be interesting as well. It may give us another Leading on top of the Wealth Drip (at least if it works like the Hawks salt mine).

And postpones the liquidity crisis even further.

The downside is, of course, that it's very exposed to the steppes.
 
Candesce said:
Which means we might get a currency crisis in the middle of the next nomad invasion.

Joy.
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Well, the Canal is the main thing we can do about that.
DocMatoi said:
mitigating that: its smack in the middle of our remaining March
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Which has more or less optimal stats for effectiveness at the moment:
Heaven's Hawks (March) - Eliminates raids from the north-east, can provide military advances and supports the Stallion Tribes (L:5/5, D: 2/5)
 
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Candesce said:
... I really wouldn't want to bet on that.

And that canal becomes a lot less useful if the Khemetri are annoyed at us.
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They will know that they had land up there, but how well are they going to remember the borders after the century or two it takes them to return.

Not saying we should bank on it, but it is quite possible we could snatch up a small chunk of land without the Khem either knowing or caring. Especially if it makes their control of the rest of the river that connects to the canal several times more lucrative.
Candesce said:
Which means we might get a currency crisis in the middle of the next nomad invasion.

Joy.
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Actually, I think it would only come some time after the invasion. After all, the already mined gold won't disappear from our lands (unless the nomads get into our core, in which case we have a lot of other problems that come before a currency crisis). As long as we repair and restart the mine right after the war, then we probably don't have too much to worry about.
 
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@Academia Nut Do we have enough contact with Khemetri that they can't regain King of the Hill? Or would they only have to pass the prestige we had when they last saw us or something? Or worse yet just get it automatically for having the most prestige of the people they're currently in contact with?
 
With the straight currently abandoned, it is more action efficient to settle and use that tham to build the canal through the old Khem colonies.
 
George said:
Well, the Canal is the main thing we can do about that.
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... Which canal are you talking about? The Triangle Canal, which has gone otherwise unmentioned in discussion so far?

If so, it's probably a good idea, but it's also fucking expensive; I'm not sure trying to do it now wouldn't mean giving up more than suffering the crisis would hurt us.
 
Killer_Whale said:
With the straight currently abandoned, it is more action efficient to settle and use that tham to build the canal through the old Khem colonies.
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That's not what the Canal we're talking about is for. We want to ship food from the lowlands up to Valleyhome and Redshore and ship technology and skilled personnel down to the lowlands.
Candesce said:
... Which canal are you talking about? The Triangle Canal, which has gone otherwise unmentioned in discussion so far?

If so, it's probably a good idea, but it's also fucking expensive; I'm not sure trying to do it now wouldn't mean giving up more than suffering the crisis would hurt us.
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no, the Canal that the Dam unlocks that connects us to the Lowlands via river.
 
Candesce said:
There's, I think, three different canals under discussion at the moment.

Can we all be careful to specify which we're talking about, here?
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There's one single Canal that's worth doing from our position, it has been under discussion for weeks, and we have no canonical name for it. It requires the Dam to do and is a large part of why the Dam is so good.

I believe it's the black arrow here:
 
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George said:
There's one single Canal that's worth doing from our position, it has been under discussion for weeks, and we have no canonical name for it. It requires the Dam to do and is a large part of why the Dam is so good.
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The Three Canals are thus:

Lowlands Canal:
Requires Dam, let's us more efficiently move through the Lowlands and allows movement of Bulk Goods (Food) to and from the Lowlands

Triangle Canal:
Allows for a ton of water to be moved into the Northern Steppes, allows for the proper irrigation of the Steppes, makes the land much more productive for farming.

Khemetri Canal:
Bypasses the Straits and allows for easy trade with the Khemetri/Mediterranean
Required/Requires consent from the Khemetri, since it would have to be build partially on their (former?) lands
 
George said:
There's one single Canal that's worth doing from our position
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The Lowlands canal?

Ok. It's one I want done, for a bunch of reasons. But.
George said:
the Canal is the main thing we can do about that.
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The Lowlands canal won't help defend Heaven's Hawks or make a currency crisis less likely.

I think the best thing we can do on that front is Build More Markets, which will give the Ymaryn opportunity for financial innovation.
 
Candesce said:
The Lowlands canal?

Ok. It's one I want done, for a bunch of reasons. But.

The Lowlands canal won't help defend Heaven's Hawks or make a currency crisis less likely.

I think the best thing we can do on that front is Build More Markets, which will give the Ymaryn opportunity for financial innovation.
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To be honest, the Heaven's Hawks is hyper condensed martial in a heavily fortified position.
It's also much closer to the Core, and can much more easily be reinforced if Nomads attack.

I'm not too worried about the HH being sacked, since they can defend themselves super well and can quickly obtain backup martial from us.
If it was in Txolla or something I would be a little more worried.
 
Raichu1972 said:
I'm not too worried about the HH being sacked, since they can defend themselves super well and can quickly obtain backup martial from us.
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I agree; they're not likely to be lost to us anytime soon. Marches are great that way.

But so much as having the gold mine temporarily cut off because there's an army in the way is going to be enough to cause some currency issues, and that's going to be an increasing problem if we don't come up with financial innovations from somewhere.

Doubly so if we needed that gold to pay our army.
 
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