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Burnlogic said:
Superior technology, them being in chaos, and the plague affecting them quite severly. We should be able to eliminate quite a few.



1. I don't know. The last census was centuries ago, how many Ymaryn do you think exist?
2. They are on our home field now and they are sick and uncoordinated. They will not be able to bring their full strength down on us.


Racism: showing or feeling discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or believing that a particular race is superior to another.

I claimed their culture is primitive not their race. We have built cities and great works, they burn it down because their madman prophet said to do so. We accept people of all races and creed with open arms, they kill and enslave them. If that is not primitive barbarism at its finest then I don't know what is.




I have already told people of the reasons why I think my plan should be carried out. The claim that my comments were racist confused me and I was simply asking the accuser to explain why they believed I was being racist.
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Okay first.

These are not all the nomads.

Heck I would not even say this is a even a eight of all the nomads. They are that many nomads.

Second, they are not in our home field advantage. Look at the update, we were getting destroyed. They were running rampant everywhere they went. Our logistics tail would not be getting any shorter, it would be getting longer.

Third. Counter definition:
gen·o·cide
noun
the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation.

Genocide is very much a rascist act.
 
Sivantic said:
Heck I would not even say this is a even a eight of all the nomads. They are that many nomads.
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Worth reiterating. This is ONE nomad clan, with the statline of one province. There are hundreds of similar clans out there and the main reason they aren't burning our cities is that they occupy themselves fighting each other most of the time.
 
veekie said:
Worth reiterating. This is ONE nomad clan, with the statline of one province. There are hundreds of similar clans out there and the main reason they aren't burning our cities is that they occupy themselves fighting each other most of the time.
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It really is terrifying to imagine what would happen if a nomad hero ever managed to pull in, say, 40-50 clans.

1 clan soloed the MH, TH, TS, Txolla and our standing army, even if those groups were weakened by the plague.

What would 50 clans be like, all led by a genius martial?
 
Citino said:
It really is terrifying to imagine what would happen if a nomad hero ever managed to pull in, say, 40-50 clans.

1 clan soloed the MH, TH, TS, Txolla and our standing army, even if those groups were weakened by the plague.

What would 50 clans be like, all led by a genius martial?
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Based off the numbers we got for One Clan of 8 Martial and 5 Light Cav, 50 Clans would be:

400 Martial and 250 Light Cav.

E: funny thing, that amount of martial is only about 8 times our Marian Mode Martial count.
 
veekie said:
Worth reiterating. This is ONE nomad clan, with the statline of one province. There are hundreds of similar clans out there and the main reason they aren't burning our cities is that they occupy themselves fighting each other most of the time.
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I was under the impression that this was a horde of at least a few clans; certainly not all of them as you say, but more than just one...
 
HeWhoAdds said:
Genghis Khan.
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Yeah. I just think this really hits home on how much we need more anti-nomad defenses.

1 clan did this. They destroyed the TS and MH, shattered the TH, and toyed with our armies.

We need walls. Tons and tons of massive and colossal walls. Walls everywhere.

And the dam + canal to get Txolla into real shape, so we will have the population to fight the nomads when they get serious.
 
Academia Nut said:
They were composed of a number of tribes united by their khan, who grew increasingly unhinged once he got into Mountain Horse territory, culminating (from their point of view) with a general rename.
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Actually this was multiple tribes, but still probably nowhere near what a more patient true genius could unite
 
Susano said:
If you vote for it, then yes, you quite apparently think it's the right choice of action to "remember the old lessons". Then you find that the moral trade-off. Frankly, motivation doesn't matter - the action is in itself evil, no matter the purpose for which it was done.

Besides, once again, we do have a definite oldest message. And that message is:

The fire is warm.

Our sixth update already is helping people where we can, and the formulation "the fire is warm" came in our twelfth already. Now, we're at over 150 updates, and those are our oldest, most sacred values. I would have them continue and prosper.

Basically, we're the "Friendship is Magic" culture, and now, we're getting our ponies!
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Ponies were bread to work in coal mines. Unless we are specifically breeding a new horse for this then they shouldn't exist yet.

Citino said:
Please stop dodging the question. Do you believe the Ymaryn outnumber, or at least come close to matching the numbers of the nomads?

They don't need to. They can literally dance around our main forces all day with ease, as we saw in the last update, and only engage when they want to.
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1.Of course we outnumber them. Our entire society is built on supporting a population of millions of people. I doubt these nomads exceeded anything higher then 100,000.

2. Their dying of fucking plague. How well do you think they will fight when they are drowning in their own blood?

Susano said:
They are a people, which you dismiss as "primitive" and worth genociding. That... yes, that's a racist argumentation.
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I think my view is more imperialist argumentation. The subjugation of a people based on the idea that our ideals are better than theirs.

Sivantic said:
Okay first.

These are not all the nomads.

Heck I would not even say this is a even a eight of all the nomads. They are that many nomads.

Second, they are not in our home field advantage. Look at the update, we were getting destroyed. They were running rampant everywhere they went. Our logistics tail would not be getting any shorter, it would be getting longer.

Third. Counter definition:
gen·o·cide
noun
the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation.

Genocide is very much a rascist act.
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1. They massive number aren't here right now. We just have to deal with the ones that are here.
2.Key word there is were. We were getting destroyed, now we are not. Also I don't want to kill all the nomads, just these specific nomads. No need for a massive logistics tail, I don't want to march all the way to Mongolia.
3. Welcome to ancient warfare. Hope you can handle history.
 
Citino said:
Yeah. I just think this really hits home on how much we need more anti-nomad defenses.

1 clan did this. They destroyed the TS and MH, shattered the TH, and toyed with our armies.

We need walls. Tons and tons of massive and colossal walls. Walls everywhere.

And the dam + canal to get Txolla into real shape, so we will have the population to fight the nomads when they get serious.
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And TREEEEEEEEEEES
 
Citino said:
Yeah. I just think this really hits home on how much we need more anti-nomad defenses.

1 clan did this. They destroyed the TS and MH, shattered the TH, and toyed with our armies.

We need walls. Tons and tons of massive and colossal walls. Walls everywhere.

And the dam + canal to get Txolla into real shape, so we will have the population to fight the nomads when they get serious.
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Yeah. The big Anti-Nomad things we need, and we need all of them in my opinion, are:

Many many Massive and as many Colossal Walls.
Light Cav above 10.
Lots and lots of trees spread throughout the Lowlands.
Base Martial around 10.
E: Oh roads above 75% as well. I forgot.
 
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Burnlogic said:
1.Of course we outnumber them. Our entire society is built on supporting a population of millions of people. I doubt these nomads exceeded anything higher then 100,000.
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Aaaaaaaaaaand we finally get where you went wrong.

The nomads outnumber us many times over.
Burnlogic said:
2. Their dying of fucking plague. How well do you think they will fight when they are drowning in their own blood?
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Plague only has a 10-20% rate of death for those infected. Which is why their LC martial dropped from 5 to 2.

It still beats our LC martial of 1.
 
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Academia Nut said:
It does help with preventing the spread of disease, and with the increased availability of quality iron and specialists it is becoming an increasingly popular trend for people of all social classes.
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Perhaps we should build a few more Garden Annexes in our palace to encourage this trend. If it helps with disease resistance then that would be a very desirable thing to have.
veekie said:
Clearly they were misappropriated and then used to throw giant festivals.
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It was the Clowns. They're becoming bolder in their quest for power and influence.
 
veekie said:
Worth reiterating. This is ONE nomad clan, with the statline of one province. There are hundreds of similar clans out there and the main reason they aren't burning our cities is that they occupy themselves fighting each other most of the time.
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Academia Nut said:
Oh, there were assuredly still villages here or there, but the nomads had finished razing the major settlements, and the corridor between the steppes and the lowlands was now open, no doubt to allow more tribes easier access and to join in.
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Academia Nut said:
Hmmm... a direct translation would be Ash Faced People, but a somewhat more fitting translation would be 'The Pure'. They were composed of a number of tribes united by their khan, who grew increasingly unhinged once he got into Mountain Horse territory, culminating (from their point of view) with a general rename.
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This was actually quite a few tribes acting in conjuction. Keep in mind that as a Martial (Mystic?) Hero Pure!Khan was in a good position to lead a WAAAGH of tremendous proportions, which ended up steamrolling through their first target and likely attracting more nomads that way. Even before the survivors flee back to transmit the disease/the Storm Wolves get hit this is going to damage the Nomads quite a bit, especially if it is horse tick based. Nothing they won't bounce back from in a generation or three but still noticeable.
 
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veekie said:
We got a peek at their statline. Martial 8 is the cap for one province/clan.
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I mean, aside from Mortis' post
Mortis said:
Actually this was multiple tribes, but still probably nowhere near what a more patient true genius could unite
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(which quoted this: "They were composed of a number of tribes united by their khan, who grew increasingly unhinged once he got into Mountain Horse territory, culminating (from their point of view) with a general rename.They were composed of a number of tribes united by their khan, who grew increasingly unhinged once he got into Mountain Horse territory, culminating (from their point of view) with a general rename.")
There's also the fact that the quote you're referring to, this:
Academia Nut said:
Martial? Hmmm... probably about 8?

It's the fact that they have Light Cavalry 5+ that's the big issue.
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(Question: "how much Martial does the horse of horse-riding nomads, or at least this one, have?")
1. is not a "peek at their statline", as that implies much more info than we have
2. does not even remotely specify that its for one clan/province, at most you can argue its for one "horse", which presumably is "horde", and thats if you're willing to misrepresent the question, as its clearly about the martial for "this horde", which says nothing about the number of clans.
 
Citino said:
Aaaaaaaaaaand we finally get where you went wrong.

The nomads outnumber us many times over.
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All the nomads aren't here right now. There is just one group of nomads attacking us at this moment. It will be along time coming before they can use that numbers advantage to attack us because guess what! There not united, they are a bunch of clans fighting each other for resources. Good luck uniting all of those clans against us and then organizing them to fight us as a single unit.
 
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