Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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True. But with the way we get refunds on a lot of things and our increasingly powerful Expand Econ, it's not that expensive and downright cheap when measured against the costs we face if we have to reign in our vassals.
It's certainly something we should aim for as soon as possible as AN did warn us about ignoring them.
Also, unlike us they do get the lowland bonus to agriculture and there isn't a huge war to regularly kill them off. So eventually they will match and exceed us in terms of population, so we are best served in influencing them early.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
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- Anywhere but RL
PSN can contain mine development no?
The core premise of the quest is that there will always be more things to do than actions to do them with, so never
Unless we get an environment event like super drought, then we will start the dam after the fact.
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On the whole Western Y radiating our tech, it would be interesting if Storm Wolf picked up black soil and forest planting.
That would stabilize their grazing fields and supply much needed arable land after generation or two, they might even turn into a stable polity.
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They can, yes.
They can.
Subsidiary states will not do megaprojects currently.
10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
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- Present
I just realized how terribly annoying that refugee thing is.
Anyway, only ~2000-3000 years till we can get the Iron Curtain megaproject.
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- Australia
@Academia Nut, what happened to the son of Gwygoytha's who went north to the nomads?
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- Austria
It's not too late to vote Surveys for days!
*sigh*
That's annoying. And if they are vassalized we cannot annex them either - scratch that, they are too far away to be annexes, folding them into Greenshore is the best we can hope for.
What a bother.
Astra Stargazer
Comma Queen
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- In a book, somewhere around here...
[X] [Crisis] Bring them back in with the fighting (Change Tinriver from Trading Post to Colony, will claim additional territory when fighting pirates, -1 Legitimacy)
[X] [Main] Proclaim Glory
[X] [Secondary] Ironworks- Redshore
[X] [Guild] Efficient Charcoal Kilns
[X] [Main] Proclaim Glory
[X] [Secondary] Ironworks- Redshore
[X] [Guild] Efficient Charcoal Kilns
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- Southampton, Great Britain
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[X] [Crisis] Bring them back in with the fighting (Change Tinriver from Trading Post to Colony, will claim additional territory when fighting pirates, -1 Legitimacy)
[X] [Main] Proclaim Glory
[X] [Secondary] Ironworks- Redshore
[X] [Secondary] War Mission - Pirate Clans
[X] [Secondary] Enforce Justice
[X] [Secondary] Invite to Games - Freehills
[X] [Guild] Efficient Charcoal Kilns
[X] [Guild] Build Porcelain Works
@PrimalShadow & @ctulhuslp This is a non-starving vote right?
[X] [Main] Proclaim Glory
[X] [Secondary] Ironworks- Redshore
[X] [Secondary] War Mission - Pirate Clans
[X] [Secondary] Enforce Justice
[X] [Secondary] Invite to Games - Freehills
[X] [Guild] Efficient Charcoal Kilns
[X] [Guild] Build Porcelain Works
@PrimalShadow & @ctulhuslp This is a non-starving vote right?
Econ costs are:
2+3+0+0+0+2+2=9
We have 10 Econ before we start starve: that's fine. I'm pretty sure that this is the winning vote as it currently sits.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
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- Anywhere but RL
Random thought, would HK's intrigue power able to instigate our social problems? Such as they stir up discontent with people who feel chained to their surrounding to explore the wild wide world and triggered or amplified Second Son crisis.
HK would be keeping tabs on us / Txolla due to proximity and bad blood, which makes them the easiest suspect. And their theft of iron smith during war and later intrigue made them more suspicious.
HK would be keeping tabs on us / Txolla due to proximity and bad blood, which makes them the easiest suspect. And their theft of iron smith during war and later intrigue made them more suspicious.
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- United States
They could, but that seems like a bad idea for them.
One bad roll is all it would take for the Second Sons to decide to get glory and wealth by sacking the Highlanders after all.
Our policies are currently:
Locked Policies
1 Non-doubled Infrastructure Policy (from Iron Age Law)
1 Innovation Policy (from Artisan Games)
Normal Policies
1 Defense Policy
1 Forestry Policy
2 Infrastructure Policies
1 Vassal Support Policy
AI Policies
1 ??? Policy (Chosen by Redhills each turn)
1 ??? Policy (Chosen by Redhshore each turn)
We are about to get 2 more cities, maybe 3 - and therefore as many policies.
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VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
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- Anywhere but RL
Just keep in mind that double kiln eats 4 econ and wealth in total.
Probably, but maybe if only they rolled critical fall?
I mean we haven't heard anything from that direction and they must have roll a hero or two since our last conflict.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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Note my edit to the post you quoted, I was tired when I posted that and only realized that wasn't that helpful shortly after.
The thingy I was trying to get at was that while we can do an influence its a tricky thing because of how it can shuffle things around. Influence is kinda in a tip of the iceberg situation when you consider that we have the Liquidity Crisis, Myranyn, Awesome Guild Quest, Priest Quest all coming up and then you add in Dealing with the Vassals with the Influence.
To explain upon that, the Second Son crisis gave me some insight into exactly how many tasks we can devote ourselves to at any one time. From my observations its around three, currently (and I expect it to drop to two when the action compression occurs). So, I want to get Myranyn out of the way as fast as humanly possible while doing it right, since it both solves this task and works on the Guild Quest, and also touches on the Liquidity Crisis. I don't actually have problem with influencing this turn.
You've managed to fit it in rather beautifully, probably because Myranyn is so encompassing, so my only real comment is that switching your target to the Thunder Speakers is probably a better use of resources since the Txolla have been either in equilibrium or trending coreward for a while now.
Holy shit it reads like a history from Dwarf Fortress.
Wow. Thanks for doing this.
Fourteen out of twelve. We are starting to suffer admin overload again.
It's that or just having Intrigue now. Probably a good idea to get Intrigue up, some how. I'll need to think on that one.
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We're not doing so hot for Wealth right now. Considering the Guilds freak out if we get too low, we're doing it in order to generate a bit of buffer before we do more Wealth demanding actions later on. More Spiritbonded is required for the Patrician quest and that's 5 Wealth each (we need 3). Warships is 5 Wealth a piece. We're not set to yet pick up any overflow from Diplomacy yet so we need to be careful not to spend ourselves into a problem. Next turn we're likely to start having some overflow into Wealth but that's too late to start working on the Patrician quest or our need for Warships.
Additionally, without Overflow or the Plant ____ series of actions, it's actually really hard to generate Wealth. We need to get just enough so we can tide ourselves over so we can work on the Patrician quest while also starting to knock out some roads.
Build Porcelain Works cancels out the Wealth cost of Charcoal Kilns and can potentially give us Leading in two Trade Goods: Fine and Common Pottery. We know that Trelli trades a lot of Common Pottery, so this is really a bit of a chance for us to tweak their noses right now. Those two Trade Goods can also translate into a 1/turn Wealth drip. More importantly, Common Pottery is one of the few Trade Goods that we import; Bulk Food and Common Textiles are the only other two. When the Liquidity Crisis returns, the more trade power we have over our neighbours, the less severe the crisis (for us). Ideally, we don't want to import anything since that translates into us sucking up silver from all of our neighbours while not sending any out of our own economy.
1 infrastructure, 1 vassal support.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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- Lickwidget
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We get 5 progress, which is only possible if we have 2 policies beyond the law one.
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- Maryland
@Academia Nut Can we have an estimate of the population of the Western Ymaryn? And of how much population we lost due to Second Sons and plague?
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
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Its 1 def, 1 forest, 2 infrastructure, and 1 vassal support--which incidentally is the error i was trying and failing to remember for my post, because the actions list is out of date and still says 4/4 and doesn't list the double infrastructure policy
( @Academia Nut )edit: Added that to the list:
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I confess that I've largely given up keeping track of the passive policies. I think Abby usually has an idea of what we should have?
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- Staring into the void
Don't we have a support policy?