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HeWhoAdds said:
Wouldn't it be closer to when we started building libraries/systematically storing knowledge? I assumed that most of the pre-library writings and records would have been lost/destroyed/decayed.
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Witness the power of continuity.
We have baked clay tablets recording taxes all the way from the invention of writing, which were buried under the Big Man's house/administrative centers when we ran out of room to store them.
We have some major points in history(from the perspective of each king's reign) depicted pictographically at our oldest Holy Site and the necropolis for our Kings in Rainbow Trail, though they are considered mythical/exaggerated by modern Ymaryn.

Other stuff are spotty and depends on how important the priests consider them to rescribe, even with the library. Vellum tends to dry out and crumble over time. Or dissolve

HeWhoAdds said:
And the Ymaryn know where the bodies (of knowledge) are buried?
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We do. We dug them up to check the math for the meteor prediction.
 
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Abby Normal said:
Seeing as the votes already locked, no update analysis, though i'll note that the faction overriding mechanic terrifies me D=
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Personally, I don't think it's that bad. I mean, sure, it's some new unpleasantness that will probably set something on fire later, but this is Paths of Civilization.



The only time factions can influence an action is when they get up to a certain amount of power, and they have to spend power to do it, so it probably won't happen that often.

That being said, we're going to be Distributing Land soon, and we won't have a choice. Don't tell the sheep. :V
 
Nahuatl has four short vowels: a, e, i, and o. The vowels a, e and i sound similar to Spanish, while o can sound like either a Spanish o or a u. Unlike in English, where cuter and cutter have different vowels, the vowels of Nahuatl don't change depending on what follows them.
X is pronounced like English sh.
Double ll is simply l, held longer. It isn't a palatal sound like in Spanish, or a single l like in English.

T-shO-l..-a
 
Hmm, so thinking over our history, what would our priests and clerks find CRITICAL to re-copy?
-Ecological information. This is the foundation of the Greater Sacred Forest, you'd find incredibly detailed study of weather patterns, botanical knowledge(including a basic map of interdependencies and animal activity), soil and water studies, etc. You can expect to find unbroken records for this, and we value it highly enough to ensure not only that every library has a copy, but that our libraries and temples will work to combine their records on this(considering Greater Sacred Forest requires two libraries to keep going)

-Astrological information will be spottier. It's just that difficult to accurately record what you see until you develop the kinds of celestial references to be interpreted correctly and rescribed exactly. Until then, rescribed star maps will wander simply because of human error and suffer from perspective skews.

-Life and death tallies ever since the Census. Important because this is needed to maintain sufficient grain buffers. But there are inaccuracies because we have people actively and maliciously manipulating their reported data for benefits.

-Taxes. Because taxes. But there are inaccuracies because we have people actively and maliciously manipulating their reported data for benefits.

-Expenses, likely to be poorly labeled, as there are further inaccuracies because we have people actively and maliciously manipulating their reported data for benefits.

-Moral lessons probably are recopied, but face SUBSTANTIAL reinterpretation each time it's copied, whether by stressing different things, adding 'detail' to enhance it or adjusting it to be correct to their modern political beliefs.
 
What did we fuse with Pioneering Spirit to get Land of Opportunity? Was it Sharing Circle or Love Thy Neighbor?
 
veekie said:
Hmm, so thinking over our history, what would our priests and clerks find CRITICAL to re-copy?
-Ecological information. This is the foundation of the Greater Sacred Forest, you'd find incredibly detailed study of weather patterns, botanical knowledge(including a basic map of interdependencies and animal activity), soil and water studies, etc. You can expect to find unbroken records for this, and we value it highly enough to ensure not only that every library has a copy, but that our libraries and temples will work to combine their records on this(considering Greater Sacred Forest requires two libraries to keep going)
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This is without historical precedent.

There is no civilizations, until at least modern time, and maybe not even then, that would be motivated to keep such ecological records.

It would probably be one of the true treasures bequeathed to not!Earth.
 
To deformalize Umi-san's statement, Txolla would pronounced cholla, like holla except with chuh instead of a huh at the start.
 
Umi-san said:
Eh, if it's important enough we're probably putting it on clay tablets.
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As mentioned above, people think different things are important:
-Kings and Patricians will find immortalizing the highlights of their administration to be important, and have the power to do it. But their primary avenue will be art, commissioned stone carvings, statues and mosaics to let people know what they did, and these things fade and distort with time.
--Their personal memoirs...well it's important to the King and his descendants, but the general structure doesn't really give a shit
--They probably also make it a point to record the uses and pitfalls of particular crisis and military strategies...but this is going to run into revisionism a lot.

-Traders will be keeping individual and highly secretive records of trade demands and contacts, as well as exchange rates so they can bludgeon trade partners with what the 'proper' amount should be. These are probably lost in a generation or two. Thats just the way things are.

-Guilds will be keeping guild internal records of What To Do and What Not To Do, as well as tracking guild membership. This is unlikely to be chronological, ordering isn't important to them, but it's likely to be extensive and detailed in their domain.

-Priests find research to be important, but while botanical and ecological stuff is solid, astrology is improving, but can be difficult to describe accurately, and of course, alchemy and medicine keeps changing.

Overall it's a mess to see what gets preserved.

BungieONI said:
What did we fuse with Pioneering Spirit to get Land of Opportunity? Was it Sharing Circle or Love Thy Neighbor?
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Love Thy Neighbor(which was only evolved a turn before we fused it)
 
Kiba said:
This is without historical precedent.

There is no civilizations, until at least modern time, and maybe not even then, that would be motivated to keep such ecological records.

It would probably be one of the true treasures bequeathed to not!Earth.
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Theory of Evolution would have an easier time if we manage to keep it alive to the Scientific Method.

Just the records of the breeding of horses, cabbage and broccoli would be very informative.
 
I have to go to sleep now, but if the update drops today I hope someone can push this plan:

{S} EJ
{S} PG
{M} RoO
{S} Roads
{S} True City
{G} Charcoal Kiln
{G} ??? (Wealth gen action? Second kiln? Basically, fit to context)
 
PrimalShadow said:
I have to go to sleep now, but if the update drops today I hope someone can push this plan:

{S} EJ
{S} PG
{M} RoO
{S} Roads
{S} True City
{G} Charcoal Kiln
{G} ??? (Wealth gen action? Second kiln? Basically, fit to context)
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You mean Free City by "True City"?

You got a preference which city we make Free? Also doesn't doing this interfere with the Loyalty gain?
 
BungieONI said:
You mean Free City by "True City"?

You got a preference which city we make Free? Also doesn't doing this interfere with the Loyalty gain?
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Yes.

My preference is the true city that the reforms keep asking us about - Blackmouth.

It shouldn't interfer with Vassal Policy because it should get us the 3-city legacy, hopefully. If not we will get 90 prestige soon so it is still not a catastrophe.
 
PrimalShadow said:
Yes.

My preference is the true city that the reforms keep asking us about - Blackmouth.

It shouldn't interfer with Vassal Policy because it should get us the 3-city legacy, hopefully. If not we will get 90 prestige soon so it is still not a catastrophe.
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Ja.

My only concern is mixing Blackmouth is a Free City, with Blackmouth has 2x Colossal Walls which is another reform.
Sounds like trouble later, though probably much later and actually relatively possible to deal with.

E: And looking around about what AN has said about them, 2x Colossal Walls sounds like a better thing to shoot for when it comes to Blackmouth in particular.
 
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BungieONI said:
My only concern is mixing Blackmouth is a Free City, with Blackmouth has 2x Colossal Walls which is another reform.
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I mean, that is what the reforms asked for:
Academia Nut said:
[] [HS] Center Command on the Cities (Blackmouth becomes a Free City, Reforms advance)
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[] [HS] Prototype Deployment Organization (2xSec Blackmouth Colossal Walls, Reforms advance)
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I assumed that was intentional, and our advisers know what they are doing.
 
PrimalShadow said:
I mean, that is what the reforms asked for:




I assumed that was intentional, and our advisers know what they are doing.
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Of course. The problem is, is that they don't have the long view.

With that combo of Free City + Hueg Walls you only need one troublesome little prick to complicate things, for example by asking himself "Hey I have these enormous walls and this great army. Why am I not king of my own country again?".

Like this the same kinda thing as the Armoury Purse Idea of Freehills inspiring our Patricians to ask for streamlining by Distribute Land. That one can back fire in so many interesting ways.
 
BungieONI said:
Of course. The problem is, is that they don't have the long view.

With that combo of Free City + Hueg Walls you only need one troublesome little prick to complicate things, for example by asking himself "Hey I have these enormous walls and this great army. Why am I not king of my own country again?".

Like this the same kinda thing as the Armoury Purse Idea of Freehills inspiring our Patricians to ask for streamlining by Distribute Land. That one can back fire in so many interesting ways.
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Not really?

The Free City will pay for the city itself, but it won't pay for the soldiers. The soldiers are still being bankrolled entirely by the King, it's just that the maintaining of the city and it's deployment walls will be done through a Central Command (the Mayor).

If the Mayor decides to declare themselves King, it will be hard to siege the town, but not impossible, and even if they can get the local garrison on their side, it's not as though they can project force far enough that they can't just get starved out.
 
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