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Kiba said:
And so what if they are hypocrites?
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Not sure what you mean? Just that their hypocrites for hating us for not being super benevolent, but w/e
ETA50M said:
They did accept our aid but they would rather die fighting for themselves to be free then fall under our rule, its that simple.
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Sucks to be them then, As long as we get the strait under our control then idrc about the slaves, they can be free
 
But people told me the weakly Trelli would collapse before the MIGHTY MIGHT OF THE YMARYN as soon as we looked at them! And that the Khemetri would thank us for declaring a war on their closest trade partner!

Okay, that is enough sarcasm for this post. I mean, on one hand, being proven correct feels nice. On the other, losing our great relationship with the Khemetri means they will taking another swing at us sooner than they otherwise would and the Metalworkers shunning us also feels bad as they are our oldest friends.
Lets hope the benefits of putting a trade post on the land we will be stealing from the slaves will be worth it.
 
I mean. I wasn't planning on taking any advantage of this situation. My votes going to be for taking no territory.

Though I will be for giving the freed slaves a very stern look and being like "we recently figured out our gods demand we intervien against this kind of shit. So we highly recommeND keeping that in mind when dealing with your old masters."
 
Academia Nut said:
Love of Wisdom (Maxed development) -> Philosopher Kings (Maxed Development)
Through intellect and careful testing of the world, the People have developed a love of knowledge and learning, and expect their leaders to follow suit.
Pros: Majorly improved use of study actions and innovation rolls, improved leader skill sets
Cons: Question social foundations, Over Leveled Penalty: -3 Mysticism, -1 Tech, & -1 Wealth per turn due to education stress
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In Service to Order too rigid to function alongside Philosopher Kings, it has been discarded. Nemesis Fashion has drawn from the Trelli.

Rule of Gold
He who has the gold, makes the rules (which are often about who is allowed to have gold).
Pros: Mercenary companies do not occupy subordinate slots, double efficiency Wealth gain from market control
Cons: Loss of trade dominance causes Stability loss, worse penalties for failing Trader quests
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I- I don't know how to feel about this trade off...

Nemesis Fashion needs to be removed as soon as possible, it's just given us a trait that will make the traders even more insufferable than they already are.

Suppose I'll go with this for now.
[X] [React] Main New Settlement
-[X] [React] Far north-eastern Redvalley
[X] [React] Build Mills
[X] [PSN] Lots More Farming (-2 Centralization, Main Expand Econ)
[X] [War] Make it hurt (Switch to offensive policy + Terrify)
 
Modifying my vote.

[X] [React] Build Mills
[X] [React] Main New Settlement
-[X] [React] Far north-eastern Redvalley

veekie said:
They are pretty sure we're going to just conquer them when this is done, and then employ them the same way as their old masters.

The only way to prove it is to end the war, give them the freedom we claimed to have been fighting for, and then go home.
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Not happening. The Trelli Straits are too important as a strategic zone. Now that we've made an enemy, we cannot give them space - remember Machiavelli. "Never do a small amount of harm."
 
DragonParadox said:
So you are saying they are suicidal? Because with the disparity of power that's what I'm hearing.
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No. They aren't. however, that doesn't mean they wanted a foreign invasion. They would have likely been satisfied with aid in the form of food and weapons.

They accurately see us as people who profited off of the back of their labor for hundreds of years and are using their own squabble as an excuse to take more land. This is all true. It's also all obvious.

On a separate note.

We accomplished two things with this invasion.
  1. Gained absolutely nothing but a narratively shitty trait.
  2. Pissed off a people that are simultaneously our greatest ally and greatest enemy. Wonderful.
The sad thing is, I don't even know if it was rolls that caused this, I think it was probably all narrative effects.
 
[X] [React] Build Mills
[X] [React] Main New Settlement
-[X] [React] Far north-eastern Redvalley
[X] [PSN] Lots More Farming (-2 Centralization, Main Expand Econ)
[X] [War] Make it hurt (Switch to offensive policy + Terrify)
 
CeBrudras said:
But people told me the weakly Trelli would collapse before the MIGHTY MIGHT OF THE YMARYN as soon as we looked at them! And that the Khemetri would thank us for declaring a war on their closest trade partner!

Okay, that is enough sarcasm for this post. I mean, on one hand, being proven correct feels nice. On the other, losing our great relationship with the Khemetri means they will taking another swing at us sooner than they otherwise would and the Metalworkers shunning us also feels bad as they are our oldest friends.
Lets hope the benefits of putting a trade post on the land we will be stealing from the slaves will be worth it.
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To be honest I have no idea how their still alive right now, based on AN's post they REQUIRE our trade and Khem's but their not only surviving without our trade, but also a slave rebellion.
 
As a side note, I find it hilarious how whenever we have leaders who are horrible at martial, we get into major combat.

The Great Bynwyn the Vaccinator- crush the Spirit Talkers (and got our entire army destroyed too)
The Venerable Desdydyn of the Epic War... got us involved in the epic age war
The Genius Yshuyn of Awful Martial- well, just take a look
 
When did anyone say the Khem would thank us for declaring war on the Trell?
I'll be damned before I give up the perfectly wonderful Trell city, even if it pisses people off so they view it as a landgrab. Like, if the Trell don't completely collapse and all we're doing is guaranteeing the slave colony becomes an independent, that's fine. But if the Trell collapse I'm not giving up on the city. 100% a landgrab.

[X] [React] Main Expand Econ
[X] [React] Main New Settlement
-[X] [React] Western Hatriver
[X] [PSN] Lots More Farming (-2 Centralization, Main Expand Econ)
[X] [War] Full attention (Switch to offensive policy)
 
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DragonParadox said:
*blinks*

They think we are going to re-enslave them after arming them?
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Either re-enslave them or turn them into little more than a tributary instead of actually letting them form their own nation. Or have the dubious honor of being a satellite/protectorate or whatever for however long the People want.

Arming them doesn't matter given the numbers disparity and the slaves know it.

Ghostdevil said:
Not sure what you mean? Just that their hypocrites for hating us for not being super benevolent, but w/e

Sucks to be them then, As long as we get the strait under our control then idrc about the slaves, they can be free
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NewAgeOfPower said:
Not happening. The Trelli Straits are too important as a strategic zone. Now that we've made an enemy, we cannot give them space - remember Machiavelli. "Never do a small amount of harm."
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This is *exactly* why they are cynical about the Ymaryn and why everyone else is pissed off. They think its nothing but a land grab/naval strong arming to take control of the straight. Ymaryn sure didn't care about the slaves for a long time. But suddenly (to them) they are all of a sudden interested in freeing them?

*Of course* they are cynical.
 
Ghostdevil said:
Sucks to be them then, As long as we get the strait under our control then idrc about the slaves, they can be free
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Pretty much. We only need Trelli itself to secure ourselves fully. If the Slaves want independence, I'm perfectly willing to grant them that. Realistically, they will disintegrate soon after anyway and Gulvalley is probably going to take some settlements in.
 
[X] [React] Main Expand Econ
[X] [React] Build Mills
[X] [PSN] More Farming (-1 Centralization, Sec Expand Econ)
[X] [War] Make it hurt (Switch to offensive policy + Terrify)

For liberty.
 
aceraptor said:
This is *exactly* why they are cynical about the Ymaryn and why everyone else is pissed off. They think its nothing but a land grab/naval strong arming to take control of the straight. Ymaryn sure didn't care about the slaves for a long time. But suddenly (to them) they are all of a sudden interested in freeing them?

*Of course* they are cynical.
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Because their so omnibenevolent /s /s
Yea w/e fuck them.
PrimalShadow said:
I'm going to go to bed now. Maybe in the morning I'll be less salty about how EVERYTHING I VOTED AGAINST THAT WON TURNED OUT TO BE TERRIBLE.
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Its not even that bad, we literally didn't even lose anything, the MW and Khem are tertiary concerns at best, one being to weak to matter and the other to far to make a difference.
 
Crazy7s1 said:
Why ever would we do that? We're going to be rich!
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We are currently leading or dominating in 9 goods. For each good we lose, we take a stability hit. If we don't regain a lost good within a turn or declare war on the one who caused us to lose dominance, we take another stability hit. It is designed to break nations that have more than two trade goods.
 
Academia Nut said:
Love of Wisdom (Maxed development) -> Philosopher Kings (Maxed Development)
Through intellect and careful testing of the world, the People have developed a love of knowledge and learning, and expect their leaders to follow suit.
Pros: Majorly improved use of study actions and innovation rolls, improved leader skill sets
Cons: Question social foundations, Over Leveled Penalty: -3 Mysticism, -1 Tech, & -1 Wealth per turn due to education stress
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AN: Baited chumps.
 
pbluekan said:
No. They aren't. however, that doesn't mean they wanted a foreign invasion. They would have likely been satisfied with aid in the form of food and weapons.

They accurately see us as people who profited off of the back of their labor for hundreds of years and are using their own squabble as an excuse to take more land. This is all true. It's also all obvious.

On a separate note.

We accomplished two things with this invasion.
  1. Gained absolutely nothing but a narratively shitty trait.
  2. Pissed off a people that are simultaneously our greatest ally and greatest enemy. Wonderful.
The sad thing is, I don't even know if it was rolls that caused this, I think it was probably all narrative effects.
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I think this is just an inherent cost of actively fighting slavery like this.
 
Fuck we need to burn down Trelli before they start reinforcing their city with massive walls then we end up being bottled in like the Ottomans.
 
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