Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
- Location
- United States
That's true, its the most inefficient and wasteful way, but if we can't change it we can't change it.
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
- Start date
- Original
Intervening in foreign internal affairs
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X][MP] Upgrade a random Social or Spiritual value
[X][Drought] Support everyone (Transfers 9 Econ to landed subordinates, -6 Econ, +4 Temp Econ damage from drought, neighbours you have access to are intensely grateful, ???)
[X][Trelli] Support rebelling slaves (Declares war on Trelli, strait unlikely to open in time to ship food through, priests pleased, ???)
[X][GA1] Materials tech upgrade (-10 Tech)
[X][GA2] Unlock Love of Wisdom for further upgrades (-10 Mysticism)
Sometimes things break just perfectly for a person or a group, everything lining up perfectly.
Sometimes they don't.
For Yshuyn, the past few years had definitely been the latter category.
The drought had come as predicted, and it was as bad as predicted. The lowlands and the most populous part of the kingdom got it the worst, with several rivers running dry over the few years of poor to no rain - not the biggest rivers thankfully, but some of the smaller but still significant tributaries - and the impact on the food supply was enormous. Fortunately, forewarned was forearmed, and even though they were trying to do multiple things at once the king managed to ensure that while the People went hungry, no one really starved.
Unfortunately, everything outside the organization of the granaries rapidly fell apart as the People went to war with the Trelli to support the rebelling slaves. Well... not everything, the actually fighting was at worst a stalemate, but the politics had turned into an absolute nightmare. The first and biggest blow was that the Khemetri had not responded to the declaration of war by the People upon the Trelli, seeing it as a betrayal of the principles of brotherhood and friendship of the Games to choose to declare war against the very people they had competed peacefully against in prior years, with the Metal Workers soon following suit. Then, once it became clear that the People were attacking both the Trelli and the local landowners to support the slaves the feuding nobility had decided that it wasn't that big of an argument they were having, and set aside their differences in order to fight the outsiders. Finally, it soon turned out that the slaves were mostly unhappy with the People interfering. Oh, they took food and weapons provided readily enough, and some were actually receptive to the idea that the People were there not for conquest but at the behest of their gods, but far too many slaves saw the People as just using their struggle as a convenient cover for a land grab.
Others, somewhat more informed about how the system worked, were more than a little ticked off about the fact that the People had stood aside and traded with the Trelli for centuries, the flow of goods allowing for the system to be supported so that they could be hauled off to the plantations, to be worked, bred, and sold like animals. It was actually a rather valid criticism, and the entire mess had sparked a major discussion back home. The People had definitely made a series of mistakes here, but the question was where?
Love of Wisdom (Maxed development) -> Philosopher Kings (Maxed Development)
Through intellect and careful testing of the world, the People have developed a love of knowledge and learning, and expect their leaders to follow suit.
Pros: Majorly improved use of study actions and innovation rolls, improved leader skill sets
Cons: Question social foundations, Over Leveled Penalty: -3 Mysticism, -1 Tech, & -1 Wealth per turn due to education stress
In Service to Order too rigid to function alongside Philosopher Kings, it has been discarded. Nemesis Fashion has drawn from the Trelli.[X][Drought] Support everyone (Transfers 9 Econ to landed subordinates, -6 Econ, +4 Temp Econ damage from drought, neighbours you have access to are intensely grateful, ???)
[X][Trelli] Support rebelling slaves (Declares war on Trelli, strait unlikely to open in time to ship food through, priests pleased, ???)
[X][GA1] Materials tech upgrade (-10 Tech)
[X][GA2] Unlock Love of Wisdom for further upgrades (-10 Mysticism)
Sometimes things break just perfectly for a person or a group, everything lining up perfectly.
Sometimes they don't.
For Yshuyn, the past few years had definitely been the latter category.
The drought had come as predicted, and it was as bad as predicted. The lowlands and the most populous part of the kingdom got it the worst, with several rivers running dry over the few years of poor to no rain - not the biggest rivers thankfully, but some of the smaller but still significant tributaries - and the impact on the food supply was enormous. Fortunately, forewarned was forearmed, and even though they were trying to do multiple things at once the king managed to ensure that while the People went hungry, no one really starved.
Unfortunately, everything outside the organization of the granaries rapidly fell apart as the People went to war with the Trelli to support the rebelling slaves. Well... not everything, the actually fighting was at worst a stalemate, but the politics had turned into an absolute nightmare. The first and biggest blow was that the Khemetri had not responded to the declaration of war by the People upon the Trelli, seeing it as a betrayal of the principles of brotherhood and friendship of the Games to choose to declare war against the very people they had competed peacefully against in prior years, with the Metal Workers soon following suit. Then, once it became clear that the People were attacking both the Trelli and the local landowners to support the slaves the feuding nobility had decided that it wasn't that big of an argument they were having, and set aside their differences in order to fight the outsiders. Finally, it soon turned out that the slaves were mostly unhappy with the People interfering. Oh, they took food and weapons provided readily enough, and some were actually receptive to the idea that the People were there not for conquest but at the behest of their gods, but far too many slaves saw the People as just using their struggle as a convenient cover for a land grab.
Others, somewhat more informed about how the system worked, were more than a little ticked off about the fact that the People had stood aside and traded with the Trelli for centuries, the flow of goods allowing for the system to be supported so that they could be hauled off to the plantations, to be worked, bred, and sold like animals. It was actually a rather valid criticism, and the entire mess had sparked a major discussion back home. The People had definitely made a series of mistakes here, but the question was where?
Love of Wisdom (Maxed development) -> Philosopher Kings (Maxed Development)
Through intellect and careful testing of the world, the People have developed a love of knowledge and learning, and expect their leaders to follow suit.
Pros: Majorly improved use of study actions and innovation rolls, improved leader skill sets
Cons: Question social foundations, Over Leveled Penalty: -3 Mysticism, -1 Tech, & -1 Wealth per turn due to education stress
Rule of Gold
He who has the gold, makes the rules (which are often about who is allowed to have gold).
Pros: Mercenary companies do not occupy subordinate slots, double efficiency Wealth gain from market control
Cons: Loss of trade dominance causes Stability loss, worse penalties for failing Trader quests
The answer was that the People were now arguing a lot more, and arguing for ever greater education to be devoted to the leaders (read: patricians and priests) to ensure that kings and councils would not lead the People into such a disastrous war once more.
Somewhat irritatingly, the arguments and problems had lead the guilds not to developing grand new weapons as was hoped by some segments of society, but rather to figuring out new pottery. Okay, technically what happened was that reduced access to supplies had lead to experiments with different clays and thinner pots, and in combination with the somewhat not useful byproducts of recent alchemical research had produced new kinds of fine pottery that had a variety of colourful and sturdy glazes. Not the most practical of things at the time, although more than one alchemist praised the new glazes for the safe storage of reagents that fared poorly in glass for mysterious reasons.
Due to Genius Admin, select two Reactions
[] [React] Main Expand Econ
[] [React] Main New Settlement
-[] [React] Northern Blackiron
-[] [React] Far north-eastern Redvalley
-[] [React] Western Hatriver
[] [React] Build Mills
Personal Stewards of Nature
[] [PSN] More Farming (-1 Centralization, Sec Expand Econ)
[] [PSN] Lots More Farming (-2 Centralization, Main Expand Econ)
[] [PSN] Nothing
Devote More Resources to the War?
[] [War] It'll work out
[] [War] Full attention (Switch to offensive policy)
[] [War] Make it hurt (Switch to offensive policy + Terrify)
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Nope, i think the last time we gained value slots was way back after the tax crisis, when we gained 1 each of spiritual and honour;
We actually probably are behind our neighbors in value slots now. We were ahead, with 3 of each. But by now, o imagine we're behind by 1-3 slots from any civ that did much if any focus on social megaprojects or golden age or even just major crises. On the other hand, I imagine our values are very advanced. @Academia Nut is that accurate? Fewer values but more hyper focused into all but honourable death?
Edit Ninjad by AN ! And literally was supposed to be my last post before sleep... Thankfully Ihad trouble sleeping and decided to check the thread again
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- Location
- Staring into the void
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
- Location
- United States
So going to war was a bad idea
Good job everyone
*Includes me *
Good job everyone
*Includes me
*
Environmentalism as a trait make things easier, while making things harder.
We COULD destroy our trait so we'll be able to take on the industrial revolution easier, but ironically it will make transitioning to nuclear energy and other form of green energy MUCH harder.
Witness today. The political apparatus in much of the world is simply unwilling to make the hard decisions to abandon fossil fuel until it's too late.
Carrnage
Human
- Location
- New Zealand
KILL IT!
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
- Location
- United States
Jeez, bad shit all around. Upgrading LOW was a horrid idea completely, the war was also a bad idea, the rolls here must of been so much shit
What a mess... not really a disaster but yuck.
- Location
- Voidbetweenstars
We no longer have the stupid trait.
Were getting shunned because of our stupidity.
I'm going to come back tomorrow with popcorn to read the thread.
night.
- Location
- Earth
- Pronouns
- She/Her/They/Them
I hate Nemesis fashion and the trelli social trait
As predicted, so it has come to pass.
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
- Location
- United States
[X] [React] Main Expand Econ
[X] [React] Build Mills
[X] [PSN] Nothing
[X] [War] Make it hurt (Switch to offensive policy + Terrify)
Fuck this war GO FULL TILT
[X] [React] Build Mills
[X] [PSN] Nothing
[X] [War] Make it hurt (Switch to offensive policy + Terrify)
Fuck this war GO FULL TILT
- Location
- Australia
@Academia Nut, is this punishment for the animal rape discussion? We understand if it was.
I argued against, but basically nobody responded. It's already a given in most minds.
Just look at what it looks like internationally and the consequence should be obvious
Oh, look at that. Going for the LoW unlock ended up being an expensive idea too.
One one hand, it makes me happy to know that everything that I argued against in the latest update has gone terribly.
On the other hand, it makes me unhappy that it is going terribly for us.
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
- Location
- United States
Apparently we have pirate woes again?
Probably the Trelli ships or something
Probably the Trelli ships or something
NewAgeOfPower
Engineering Pornagrapher Extraordinaire
- Location
- An Certain Hive of Scum & Villainy, known as NYC
NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[X] [React] Main Expand Econ
[X] [PSN] Lots More Farming (-2 Centralization, Main Expand Econ)
[X] [War] Make it hurt (Switch to offensive policy + Terrify)
Do or die time.
I disagree. Much of the stuff blocking advanced Nuclear Energy is a combination of environmentalists, general peace lobbyists, colluding with entrenched industry interests.