Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
- Location
- United States
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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- Lickwidget
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- She/Her
Nope. 'pparently given stuff he has said I am pretty sure he is Canadian and in the middle, so it's ten to eleven for him.
Huh?
What are you talking about? (I think I know but...???)
LuciDreamer
Maliciously Incompetent
- Location
- United States
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Sleep? Who needs sleep?
Probably sleep deprivation. The semicolons look fine to me.
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
- Location
- United States
I remember asking him once... in least that was another QM... Shit I don't remember, uhhh.
- Location
- Staring into the void
Middle of the day here, the semi-colons look fine to me too.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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- Lickwidget
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- She/Her
Oh yeah, the semicolons are totally fine. It's just that my brain can take Umi's subject to be two different things, and it leads into two different places which are rather different.
Hence my mild confusion.
Given current trend I am probably going to fall asleep at my desk.
I need to learn how to send parts of my brain into a sleep cycle like dolphins or sharks so I can go for much longer without sleep.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
Step 1) buy instant coffee. Step 2) make non-instant coffee. Step 3) add the former to the latter. Step 4) Imbibe.
What two different things did my words lead you to? I was aiming for 3
LuciDreamer
Maliciously Incompetent
- Location
- United States
- Pronouns
- He/Him
- Location
- Staring into the void
I just finished doing 48 hours without sleep.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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- Lickwidget
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- She/Her
Oo. I need to try that.Step 1) buy instant coffee. Step 2) make non-instant coffee. Step 3) add the former to the latter. Step 4) Imbibe.
What two different things did my words lead you to? I was aiming for 3
Along with my vaguely thought of Flagon of Turkish Coffee with ground up Caffeine Pills and Coffee Ice Cream added.
The confusion is on who you meant by "great leader". I was thinking either AN or Crow.
- Location
- The Deep Blue Sea
Step 1: Buy caffeine powderStep 1) buy instant coffee. Step 2) make non-instant coffee. Step 3) add the former to the latter. Step 4) Imbibe.
What two different things did my words lead you to? I was aiming for 3
Step 2: Calculate the LD50 for your body mass and take a little less than that
LuciDreamer
Maliciously Incompetent
- Location
- United States
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Oh. Shit, sorry.
- Location
- The Deep Blue Sea
Engineering student?
blackbird edit: HE'S HERE
Actual edit: nm
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BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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- Lickwidget
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- She/Her
Senseless breakdown
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[X][React] Build Mills
[X][React] Main New Settlement
-[X][React] Far north-eastern Redvalley
[X][PSN] Lots More Farming (-2 Centralization, Main Expand Econ)
[X][War] Make it hurt (Switch to offensive policy + Terrify)
Something inside Yshuyn had snapped.
This whole war had been a mistake as far as he was concerned. They had gone off with the justification of priests and the prompting of those with less than virtuous purposes, and it had cost them dearly in terms of diplomatic contacts and the opinions of their neighbours. He had stood in the background for much of it, working feverishly to ensure that everyone had food to eat, and what did he get for it?
He got the report of several thousand warriors getting trapped in a narrow valley and slaughtered to the last. Thousands. Tens of thousands perhaps. Nothing so catastrophic as say the Battle of Bloodvalley, but where the People had just been able to roll with the disaster there, had been energized in some ways, this was just a demoralizing slog. Yshuyn knew that when he had received the news he had absolutely broken down, weeping uncontrollably at the senseless brutality of it all.
Many were blaming the Proclamation, and thus him and the priests. They certainly carried responsibility for how the situation had evolved. First by starting it, and then proclaiming that all slaves held in bondage within Trelli lands were free to live their own lives, a Proclamation that the People would enforce with sword, spear, arrow, and battering ram. In any settlement the People seized, any person held in bondage would be released to take whatever vengeance they wished upon the conquered population, and thus it behooved the Trelli and their colonists to simply free those enslaved, both to end the war and to avoid any terrible fate befalling them. While by all accounts this had sown considerable fear among the Trelli, it had also motivated them to greater ferocity in the defense, and hence the massacre. The fact that, because of Trelli ship patrols making trying to land troops close to their city was impossible, the Dragon Banner was still pushing along the coast out of Tinriver and Trelli itself was in no way threatened, was definitely making continued threats difficult.
Yshuyn felt... disconnected. Felt like his spirit wasn't entirely attached to his body, spreading a terrible numbness through him. Sometimes he broke down crying over nothing at all as he contemplated the senseless waste of it all. Sometimes fits of giggles came over him as he remembered that some of the slaves they had fought to free had taken up banditry or piracy - some of the pirates were their former traders disgruntled at the loss of the Trelli market! - and how stupid the whole situation had become. And sometimes dark rages came over him and he would scream and yell at those around him, at the incompetence and incorrectness of the world. He would almost invariably breakdown crying at the terror he wrought among those around him once the mood passed, but he feared that his outbursts were getting more common and more intense. Despite the fear within him over these fell moods, there was also something pleasant about feeling instead of the cold detachment that so easily draped itself over his shoulders the rest of the time.
Yshyun had to change, had to embrace something
[] [King] Embrace Anger
[] [King] Embrace Sorrow
[] [King] Embrace the Absurd
[] [King] Embrace Numbness
[] [King] Embrace Madness
The war goes poorly, and some call for a withdraw
[] [War] Keep fighting (2 Econ temp damage, +2 Econ next turn)
[] [War] Offer reparations for damages and universal manumission of Trelli slaves (-15 Wealth, -1 Stability, chance of further loss, -7-8 Econ Expansion, 7 temp Econ damage, +7-8 Econ next turn, current trader quest fails, ???)
[] [War] Withdraw (-5 Wealth, -5 Prestige, -1 Religious Authority, 4 Econ temp damage, chance of stability loss, +4-5 Econ next turn, current trader quest fails, ???)
AN: I've had the results for a couple of days, but just couldn't get it to come together. Have a short update to get things moving
[X][React] Main New Settlement
-[X][React] Far north-eastern Redvalley
[X][PSN] Lots More Farming (-2 Centralization, Main Expand Econ)
[X][War] Make it hurt (Switch to offensive policy + Terrify)
Something inside Yshuyn had snapped.
This whole war had been a mistake as far as he was concerned. They had gone off with the justification of priests and the prompting of those with less than virtuous purposes, and it had cost them dearly in terms of diplomatic contacts and the opinions of their neighbours. He had stood in the background for much of it, working feverishly to ensure that everyone had food to eat, and what did he get for it?
He got the report of several thousand warriors getting trapped in a narrow valley and slaughtered to the last. Thousands. Tens of thousands perhaps. Nothing so catastrophic as say the Battle of Bloodvalley, but where the People had just been able to roll with the disaster there, had been energized in some ways, this was just a demoralizing slog. Yshuyn knew that when he had received the news he had absolutely broken down, weeping uncontrollably at the senseless brutality of it all.
Many were blaming the Proclamation, and thus him and the priests. They certainly carried responsibility for how the situation had evolved. First by starting it, and then proclaiming that all slaves held in bondage within Trelli lands were free to live their own lives, a Proclamation that the People would enforce with sword, spear, arrow, and battering ram. In any settlement the People seized, any person held in bondage would be released to take whatever vengeance they wished upon the conquered population, and thus it behooved the Trelli and their colonists to simply free those enslaved, both to end the war and to avoid any terrible fate befalling them. While by all accounts this had sown considerable fear among the Trelli, it had also motivated them to greater ferocity in the defense, and hence the massacre. The fact that, because of Trelli ship patrols making trying to land troops close to their city was impossible, the Dragon Banner was still pushing along the coast out of Tinriver and Trelli itself was in no way threatened, was definitely making continued threats difficult.
Yshuyn felt... disconnected. Felt like his spirit wasn't entirely attached to his body, spreading a terrible numbness through him. Sometimes he broke down crying over nothing at all as he contemplated the senseless waste of it all. Sometimes fits of giggles came over him as he remembered that some of the slaves they had fought to free had taken up banditry or piracy - some of the pirates were their former traders disgruntled at the loss of the Trelli market! - and how stupid the whole situation had become. And sometimes dark rages came over him and he would scream and yell at those around him, at the incompetence and incorrectness of the world. He would almost invariably breakdown crying at the terror he wrought among those around him once the mood passed, but he feared that his outbursts were getting more common and more intense. Despite the fear within him over these fell moods, there was also something pleasant about feeling instead of the cold detachment that so easily draped itself over his shoulders the rest of the time.
Yshyun had to change, had to embrace something
[] [King] Embrace Anger
[] [King] Embrace Sorrow
[] [King] Embrace the Absurd
[] [King] Embrace Numbness
[] [King] Embrace Madness
The war goes poorly, and some call for a withdraw
[] [War] Keep fighting (2 Econ temp damage, +2 Econ next turn)
[] [War] Offer reparations for damages and universal manumission of Trelli slaves (-15 Wealth, -1 Stability, chance of further loss, -7-8 Econ Expansion, 7 temp Econ damage, +7-8 Econ next turn, current trader quest fails, ???)
[] [War] Withdraw (-5 Wealth, -5 Prestige, -1 Religious Authority, 4 Econ temp damage, chance of stability loss, +4-5 Econ next turn, current trader quest fails, ???)
AN: I've had the results for a couple of days, but just couldn't get it to come together. Have a short update to get things moving
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
try mixing caffeine pills and theanine; it reduces the crash and smooths the rise
oh. Eh. I guess that makes sense.
... Poor Yshyun.
[X] [War] Keep fighting (2 Econ temp damage, +2 Econ next turn)
[X] [King] Embrace Anger
[X] [King] Embrace Sorrow
[X] [King] Embrace the Absurd
Numbness is... well. It would make him a more effective leader but feels bad. The Absurd is safer than madness, for all that it's ineffectual. Anger and Sorrow are somewhat preferable in that the former will lead to action, but might lead to excess action and the latter will prevent excess, but might lead to slower decisions on what's necessary.
Backing out ends GA; costs us the opportunity to seize the strait; leaves an enemy to strengthen and then pursue a treachery CB (or worse, actively pays them in wealth and leaves them to pursue it). It gains us nothing and loses much. Our martial is still at 8{12}. Our other stats will be capped, except econ.
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@Kiba
A while ago you brought up a green industrial revolution and how much forest we'd need for that.
I'd argue we are better off using every energy resource we have and do a speedrun through the industrial revolution. The faster we are, the sooner we can switch to cleaner gas and eventually electricity. Given the huge rivers we have in our territory, hydropower will be a big factor even during the revolution as we can use that for some processes. Especially as we are already settling heavy industry close to rivers to take advantage of trip hammers.
Another reason is that others will start their own revolution a few decades later if RL is any indication, and they are unlikely to care much at all about carbon emissions or whatever. So we both fall back strategically as we are not as competitive, but also serve to drag the entire misery out instead of accepting a relatively short, sharp increase and using the tech boom to switch as much as possible to electricity sooner and making that available to the world.
@Academia Nut
Two questions I had for a while now.
Are innovation rolls all or nothing or more like a progress bar where even a meh roll eventually delivers results?
If we spend Wealth internally, does it have economic stimulus effects that we just don't have the knowledge to realize or is that abstracted away?
A while ago you brought up a green industrial revolution and how much forest we'd need for that.
I'd argue we are better off using every energy resource we have and do a speedrun through the industrial revolution. The faster we are, the sooner we can switch to cleaner gas and eventually electricity. Given the huge rivers we have in our territory, hydropower will be a big factor even during the revolution as we can use that for some processes. Especially as we are already settling heavy industry close to rivers to take advantage of trip hammers.
Another reason is that others will start their own revolution a few decades later if RL is any indication, and they are unlikely to care much at all about carbon emissions or whatever. So we both fall back strategically as we are not as competitive, but also serve to drag the entire misery out instead of accepting a relatively short, sharp increase and using the tech boom to switch as much as possible to electricity sooner and making that available to the world.
@Academia Nut
Two questions I had for a while now.
Are innovation rolls all or nothing or more like a progress bar where even a meh roll eventually delivers results?
If we spend Wealth internally, does it have economic stimulus effects that we just don't have the knowledge to realize or is that abstracted away?
- Location
- Staring into the void
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Astra Stargazer
Comma Queen
- Location
- In a book, somewhere around here...
YES! YES! YES! AN YOU BEAUTIFUL BASTARD!
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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- Lickwidget
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- She/Her
[X] [King] Embrace Sorrow
[X] [War] Keep fighting (2 Econ temp damage, +2 Econ next turn)
Sorrow because he still needs that empathy for his people and I worry about Anger turning against those around him. Or him blaming the slaves even more for the failures.
Keep the war going because the other options are just plain worse and ultimately, we win the long game.
[X] [War] Keep fighting (2 Econ temp damage, +2 Econ next turn)
Sorrow because he still needs that empathy for his people and I worry about Anger turning against those around him. Or him blaming the slaves even more for the failures.
Keep the war going because the other options are just plain worse and ultimately, we win the long game.
Hyacinthium
Writing about sad cannibals as we speak.
- Location
- Bedroom
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I just woke up and oh