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Since it seems like no one knows, pinging AN
@Academia Nut
1) What cost us stability this turn, triggering iStO? (The refugees were last turn and we didn't dip into negative econ unless I calculated wrong)
2) Why did we not gain a completion bonus from the Docks megaproject? Value upgrade or a free action seem to be the standard.
3) Can you confirm your voting system for the Genius subvote and the True City/Free City votes?
-Genius: if 20% of people each vote for the 3 subvotes and 40% vote for random, does that mean we get whichever subvote had the highest among them since it's 60/40? Does approval voting all three count as three votes for choosing one?
-City: Does it require 50% or just highest vote?
 
@Academia Nut did Yenyna's son inherit her abilities and did we learn anything from her? Like did we learn how she was able to overclock herself physically, did we learn anything from her style of combat or how she wages war?
 
@pblur What? Cheetahs? Honeycombs?
I'll make a story up later but like are you referring to the bike handlebars or the chocolate thing
 
Reader of all said:
Guys we really should start of slow when it comes to doing new things so let us just have one free city for now and see how it goes.

[X] [FC] Just one FC
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It's rare to get an option to convert to free city, and it will do miracles for our administration. It's not Somthing that needs waiting, quite the opposite, much like we didn't wait a half second with iron or other admin innovations.
 
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ETA50M said:
I'll say no to the Trelli canal but not the triangle canal. The second is vital for our Northern defence against steppe nomads.
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What?

The point of that canal would be irrigation. Canals and rivers do shit all against nomads. Read the thread tags: Nomads are not fey! They can pass running water easily enough.

Umi-san said:
(or your dull AI robots mine asteroids, for the economically minded)
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*whistles innocently*

Manget said:
You want to be the guy who only talks about work? Because that is want we are now.
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That is how the Ymarrin have always been: Industrious, but dour and dull. Get something done, but at the price of working all day, and then even the alcohol sucks. Now, you can validly say you want to change that, but "now" is wrong - we have always been that.
 
PrimalShadow said:
Yes, it looks like that is what he said. I'm hoping that there was a miscommunication somewhere because otherwise the system doesn't seem to make sense. :(
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I dunno. Makes sense to me. By voting for the subvote, you're basically voting for two things:

[]Yes, I want to choose our Genius
[]Here's the one I want.

The first vote makes sense to need 50%, as it's competing with not choosing our Genius, thus only has two choices.

If the second vote needed 50%, then it would make actually choosing our Genius much less likely, even if over 50% of people wanted to, unless there was clearly one viable choice. The alternative is that everyone starts strategically voting for stuff the didn't really want because voting for the least popular candidate has no chance of achieving 50% support, which is unfair in its own way.
 
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Idea. An omake on the last thoughts of those poor bandits where crushed almost instantly. I mean why did they decide to do it? They were one of us, why would they betray the People? Because they were bored and started a riot?

I really wish we can somehow instill loyalty and common decency into the masses so they stop killing each other and causing trouble.
 
Patricians - Objective: Build a governor's palace within a core province within 3 turns. Failure: -1 Stability
Urban Poor- Objective: Build a Main Strength Theatre within 3 turns. Success: +1 Stability
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Actually thinking about it making the urban poor quest succeed the same turn the Patrician quest fails may knock the patricians' down a peg with them trying to stir up a bit of unrest only to be blocked by their underlings supporting the Crown.
 
WeaponX1023 said:
Idea. An omake on the last thoughts of those poor bandits where crushed almost instantly. I mean why did they decide to do it? They were one of us, why would they betray the People? Because they were bored and started a riot?

I really wish we can somehow instill loyalty and common decency into the masses so they stop killing each other and causing trouble.
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The church and the arts, both high and low.
 
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8bitBob said:
If the second vote needed 50%, then it would make actually choosing our Genius much less likely, even if over 50% of people wanted to, unless there was clearly one viable choice. The alternative is that everyone starts strategically voting for stuff the didn't really want because voting for the least popular candidate has no chance of achieving 50% support, which is unfair in its own way.
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People would vote strategically with either system; e.g. changing from a Culture hero to a Diplo hero if they prefer one of those over Admin.

Also. This leaves the possilbity that 33% vote for one option, 33% vote for another, and 34% vote for a third, with the third winning. I think having it be random in such a case makes more sense.
 
[X][GA] Gain random genius (-15 Culture)
-[X][GA] Specify: Admin genius (Additional -3 Culture)
[X][FC] Just one FC
[X][FC] None
[X][Diplo] Tie everything together internally (Main Build Roads)
[X][React] Continue work on the Place to the Stars (5/7-8 actions completed)
-[X][React] Kick project (ISoO already triggered this turn)

I've changed my mind on whether to kick the megaproject or not. The extra Main could be used to build that Main Theatre or make progress towards the Governor's Palace. It'll balance out and allow us to more easily meet everyone's needs, something that will be difficult considering all the things we have to do. Of course, the Admin Genius will be required in order to do absolutely everything as only an Admin Genius will know what actions to take and in what order.
 
Carrnage said:
Actually thinking about it making the urban poor quest succeed the same turn the Patrician quest fails may knock the patricians' down a peg with them trying to stir up a bit of unrest only to be blocked by their underlings supporting the Crown.
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Thier underlings are several steps above the urban poor.
And the patricians are asking for Somthing that was long overdue and quite vital for administrative effeciancy.

And @Academia Nut, how come the poor are asking for a theatre? Aren't theatres for the well to do? Or do we have a variety of forms of theatre? Or is it primitive enough, that it hasn't developed into the different categories of theatre?
 
8bitBob said:
I dunno. Makes sense to me. By voting for the subvote, you're basically voting for two things:

[X]Yes, I want to choose our Genius
[X]Here's the one I want.

The first vote makes sense to need 50%, as it's competing with not choosing our Genius, thus only has two choices.

If the second vote needed 50%, then it would make actually choosing our Genius much less likely, even if over 50% of people wanted to, unless there was clearly one viable choice. The alternative is that everyone starts strategically voting for stuff the didn't really want because voting for the least popular candidate has no chance of achieving 50% support, which is unfair in its own way.
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PrimalShadow said:
People would vote strategically with either system; e.g. changing from a Culture hero to a Diplo hero if they prefer one of those over Admin.

Also. This leaves the possilbity that 33% vote for one option, 33% vote for another, and 34% vote for a third, with the third winning. I think having it be random in such a case makes more sense.
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AN addressed this, if i understand your posts right:
Academia Nut said:
Yes. If there is a situation where more than half voted for a subvote but there is a split, I will go for the most popular subvote.
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SO if we had 26% admin, 15% Diplo, 10% Culture, or something, then since we had 51% for any of those subvotes, we'd go with admin as the highest of those subvotes
 
PrimalShadow said:
People would vote strategically with either system; e.g. changing from a Culture hero to a Diplo hero if they prefer one of those over Admin.
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People are always going to strategically vote, but its further incentivizing it. Imagine if the vote had seven options for all kinds of Genius'. The likelihood of a single choice achieving 50% of the vote becomes increasingly unlikely, making it increasingly difficult to actually choose something. It's unfair to the people who didn't want to leave the Genius up to chance, and is pretty necessary for votes that have more than two options.

The real alternative is to do something like the french elections, wherein after the main vote with every party takes place, and if no clear winner is chosen then the top two votes are selected and another vote is held between them. This requires further updates and wastes more of AN's time, though.
 
maximillian said:
And @Academia Nut, how come the poor are asking for a theatre? Aren't theatres for the well to do? Or do we have a variety of forms of theatre? Or is it primitive enough, that it hasn't developed into the different categories of theatre?
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The Urban Poor are most likely very akin to the urban, well, mob of Rome and Byzantium. You know, those guys who were dependent on the free grain distribution and who would be easily mobilized for this or that politician, including violence. Or who started unrests over chariot racing. So I guess this falls under Panem Et Circensis.

Alternatively, well, late classical Athens paid the people (as long as they held citizenship) to go to the theatre. It was a form of public welfare. We may not have something like that, but given our tendencies it is entirely possible that we make the theatre free, or subsidize it enough that the prices are low.
 
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