It's a fair bet, yeah. On the other hand...
This is likely to be a bitter fight, and we're likely to want to spend many actions on many things next turn.
So I'm not committing to trying to make a double-annex immediately.
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So I'm not committing to trying to make a double-annex immediately.
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The Khemetri have a Shit Ton of Religious Authority, since they use it as a replacement for their stability, as well as a God King, who is likely is required to have at least a decent Mysticism stat. Even with a Heroic Mystic King they can probably still out religious us with no issue.
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A good thing to remember about annexes is that we can improve our Palace the more land we have, so I wouldn't be worried about filling it up since we can just absorb more subordinates.
I agree on the action thing though, but I just think that it would be best to spend most of our actions on mystic stuff while we have the Heroic Mysticism King, and to leave most of the fighting to the Provinces and our War Chief. Considering that our King has poor martial, I would be concerned about giving him a War Mission, just because I wouldn't really trust his judgement of where troops should go and such and would prefer that it all be deferred to the War Chief.
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Considering that the nomads find our total dedication extremely odd and we haven't encountered a total war approach in other nations, I doubt that they possess "The Button."
Eh... Realistically we either have to spend a secondary to get an arsenal and possibly two, or not spend the secondary and maybe not get the arsenal. So there's not much choice there.
I kind of think that the infrastructure policy will start turning Redshore into a TC, rather than making the arsenal, however. Tho AN's comment might point otherwise, if considered in context.
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You sure their RA is that high? I'd actually expect it to be relatively low - after all they need it to buffer Stability and there are tons of ways for that to drop so i expect their RA to be heavily under pressure as well.
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Um.
oooh. In a "take RA hits instead of stab hits" sense. Damn, I've misread it as "can burn RA to boost war actions"-equivalent of Divine Stewards thingie.
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Pretty sure Infrastructure Policy has already started the Redshore Aqueduct, so it would probably prioritize finishing that first.
To have a God King as ruler and to keep said rule legitimate, it requires for everyone to believe in the Authority of the Gods and those who claim to speak for them (Priests)
They likely take hits, but we only think of the ways RA can drop because we almost never take RA boosting actions. Every time there is a crisis we had the option to boost RA, we could boost RA by stamping out other religions, which the Khemetri likely did a lot of through their conquests. We can boost RA by building Temples, which the Khemetri likely have a ton of to reinforce their religion and through that their rule.
It's actually pretty easy to boost RA, and as far as we know rather hard to move down. The only way we have lowered RA is by publicly disagreeing with the Priests, which is something that I doubt a God King does often.
BungieONI
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They probably have the ability to make decisions that would normally cost stab hits and say that they were done by the Will of the Gods or something similar, which makes people upset with the priests and possibly like their religion a little less (loss of RA) but prevents them from getting upset at their government (loss of Stab).
VoidZero
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Khemetri's political system certainly looks attractive, higher than average central authority with almost guaranteed faith support via "Pharaoh" as head to faith and nation.
Putting fate of the nation into a single person is very much win or lose situation.
I wonder if their colonies enjoy as much free rein as our own sub-states.
Very unlikely for their colony to have rights of building religious anything but maybe the nobles are granted more rights to secure continued support?
Possible peaking order of Khemetri
Pharaoh ≧ priest > noble > merchant ≧?craftsman? > ?free men? >slaves
Would they have free craftsman and free men? I would think the task masters are free men but slave task masters are more frequent and effective; especially if they have to compete against other slaves for the limited positions.
Putting fate of the nation into a single person is very much win or lose situation.
I wonder if their colonies enjoy as much free rein as our own sub-states.
Very unlikely for their colony to have rights of building religious anything but maybe the nobles are granted more rights to secure continued support?
Possible peaking order of Khemetri
Pharaoh ≧ priest > noble > merchant ≧?craftsman? > ?free men? >slaves
Would they have free craftsman and free men? I would think the task masters are free men but slave task masters are more frequent and effective; especially if they have to compete against other slaves for the limited positions.
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@BungieONI would you be in the boat if we could turn Redshore into a trade republic in the same vein we do in CK2? Like, build a especial economic zone there, where they can focus on mercantilism or guild mercantilism?
EDIT: decapitation strikes against the Khemetri is really dangerous, and if their king has a warrior obligation of sperheading the assault, even more so.
Imagine what would have happened if Rammsses II died on the battle of Kadesh?
EDIT: decapitation strikes against the Khemetri is really dangerous, and if their king has a warrior obligation of sperheading the assault, even more so.
Imagine what would have happened if Rammsses II died on the battle of Kadesh?
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The downside is diminishing returns on RA through temples. At some point every site has a temple. Fine. They get a bigger temple.
But that gets ever more expensive.
So odds are they are keeping RA banked to some degree and invest economy elsewhere so they have the income to quickly start on Temples if needed. But if they suddenly take hits to RA while in a major war, they will run into issues of action economy and financing.
So if we can, we need to punch their RA lower to force them into RA raising actions like Temples, which takes pressure off of the frontlines.
Getting more Blackbirds (after we get steel. If we get steel) would also help if it unlocks Assassination. Their hierarchy sounds fairly brittle (well, most hereditary ones are). If Blackbirds manage to kill off high ranking nobles they can cause enormous dynastic strife. Basically, instead of attacking them where they are strong (their army) we should hit them in their chain of command. Blackbirds already do it to some extent, but only in the field. Having the option to assassinate foreign rulers, especially Khans, would be invaluable.
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They are going to lose a lot of RA/stablilty when ever some disaster hits them as their God King must have displeased the gods.
Building around the idea that you are an god can get really ugly when weather isn´t nice and starts to fuck with the food supplys.
Romv
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That would basically be turning Redshore into a Free City, which is anathema to most of the thread.
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And then when they lose enough RA they start losing Stability fast because they have indelibly linked the God-King with both their religion and government. Or something to that effect.
I dunno. Maybe?
I'd have to think about it for a while.
Yeah but think of all the ways one can loose Stability. Especially if your civ is not built for sustainability and enduring crises.
Overcrowding? RA hit.
Refugee or (probably) slave influx? RA hit.
Bad Weather? RA hit.
Taxes? RA hit.
Plague? RA hit.
Guild squabbles? RA hit.
Pharaoh dies? RA hit, though their pyramids probably migitate that one.
Unlike our priests, everything bad that happens can be traced back to the Pharaoh. He is a god after all, why didn't he prevent this?
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I would think that if the Khemetri have an Idiot King, they would either isolate him from actually policy decision or meetings and such and have the nation run by priests until the King dies, or RA would start to tank as the King makes stupid decisions that they can't contest him on in public.
Their colonies are likely more free than ours, since they probably just have to give the God King a tithe and build Temples in every settlement or something similar, but can otherwise do whatever they want.
I would assume that most miners and laborers in their cities are Slaves, while the richer farmers, artisans, and clerks, as well as the priests, would be Free Men.
That pecking order sounds about right to me.
VoidZero
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That's when you start calling for mass slave sacrifice and getting new a Pharaoh elected. Maybe at the same time as series of rapid raids against small polities.
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The ole bait an switch tactic.
But yeah, disasters must hit them in the hurty bits. Their negaverse is probably always trying to get more disaster resistance so that they can not lose Econ during them. So I would think a Palace Economy would be their base model and they are probably milking the Nile for all it's worth.
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Sorry if I wasn't clear with my thoughts, but that was primarily what I meant.
The Khemetri are Wonder Builders like us, so they can probably mobilize a ton of people to build things like Temples pretty quickly.
It's also probably why they have been colony spamming so much, as more land = more settlements = more Temples = more RA.
The Khemetri are strong and united until they start to run out of RA, and then they become brittle and fractured.
I would think that's it's similar to us and Divine Stewards. We get stupidly strong defensive bonuses, and it's hard to try and take land from us. But once you do, it starts a cascade of stab hits and we start to fracture.
Having low RA is the Khemetri Weak Spot, just like losing land is ours.
AN said the Western Wall War Chief would take care of the war bits for us as he is better at it and our system is supposed to work like that.
VoidZero
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So, we have large scale mining operations.
We have watermill driven trip hammers to crush the ore.
We have full on iron bloomeries to refine it.
So what, if anything, is stopping us from mass-producing iron things?
The forest and
It's not like we have ball mills* or crushers to sort the ores.
*think giant sideway mixer containing multiple steel balls a bit bigger than your head. Then you load the ore into it and turn the machine on, the tumbling and force will crush ores to more agreeable sizes. (No heating are involved)
Umi-san
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Bungie sauced u
thx for providing useful info that puts my speculation to rest QQ/<3 <3
anyways that means we gotta do the secondary.
A Main Arsenal would be kewl but like....
I don't want to dedicate ourselves to it that much and we can always expand it later.
Though doing it all at once might result in a bigger workspace which would be somewhat more likely to result in more efficient work habits than two+ smaller, separate workspaces would... Opinions on whether the bonus is limited or not? Is a Grand Arsenal or Steel more worthwhile?
We know they have at least one reliable way to lower it: burn it in place of Stability.
yeah what he suggested is anathema to the thread
or it's the natural and inherent result of making RS a TC, in which case we don't care cus that process is under way regardless.
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I am really really glad that our kings are good at acknowledging when they don't know something. Can you imagine a God king that is not allowed to ever admit ignorance?