DocMatoi
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Good thing the offensive policy we switched to includes expansion of the armies, huh?
Paths of Civilization
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Did you read my post? It's not the skil of the king that is the problem.
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Sorry if it wasn't clear, but that was the point I was trying to make.
If their major way of burning RA is through replacing Stab with it, that means they can constantly bump their RA and always take RA increasing actions because they can just burn if off whenever the next crisis comes up.
This is very powerful, but they end up screwed when they run out of RA because they start having to tank stability and probably don't have many efficient ways of bumping it back up like we do.
We don't know that it works that way.
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The offensive policy is going to go 2 main war missions and some kind of armie expansion as main war missions use 8 martial and we be at 17 at the start of the turn if we send no king war missions we will 1 + whatever the armie expansion is. This is ok but if we send any king war missions then we need more martial.
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And you want to risk it?
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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King war missions seems like a bad idea. We would like our king to focus on what he is good at R&D.
I'm pretty sure they've access to both Festivals and Restore Order.
Proclaim Glory might raise RA instead of Stability, I suppose, but otherwise they've probably got that too.
They might not have Enforce Justice, but we're generally not too happy running that ourselves, so I wouldn't bet they don't have decent stability recovery mechanisms.
Their problem is that that's only a temporary solution - if they can't get their RA back up, they keep losing stability.
BungieONI
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Cool! *hugs*
Anyway on the arsenal thing I think a Main Arsenal would be a bigger arsenal where more people can help our Mystic King with his experiments which is a big thing and could get us steel faster. On the flip side I think that if we did a Secondary Arsenal and then did another Secondary later we would only be expanding the Old Arsenal.
Truthfully I see little quantitative difference in our trek to get steel by going for this:
Main Arsenal
Secondary Study Metal
Secondary War Mission/Black Birds etc
Or this
Main Study Metal
Secondary Arsenal
Secondary War Mission/Black Birds etc
The first I see more as we have a lesser focus on metal, but we have lots and lots of people working in one area so it happens through piling brains on the problem. More people, but a little less focus.
The second I see as focusing a smaller and more specialized Arsenal on a handful of experiments and tasks. Fewer people, but more focus.
These however are pure speculation based on me thinking out the possible consequences. YMMV.
I don't think so yet?
It's going to take a while for them to re-inhabit Xohyr for long enough for it to transform back into a True City. We have the time to teach them.
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Offensive policy has subordinates send war support, which does not draw directly from our central pool. We're pretty secure, unless I'm much mistaken.
Why are you arguing to send our martial deep into the red, exactly?
VoidZero
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Policy covers only our provinces and doesn't appear to have direct mechanical effect on our sub-states.
So it's coming out of our own pockets.
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Good point.
I'm starting to wonder if their legitimacy is also connected to their RA, considering the whole God King thing and all.
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I generally agree with this assessment. If all we want is steel ASAP, then maybe we should vote the second one. But my support is currently going to go with the Main Arsenal plan, for the longer-term and more widespread benefits + the synergy AN has been hinting at.
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This is wrong subordinates are they own thing
Oh right.
But we are using Offensive Policy, so worst case the provinces take care of it.
@veekie
I did some quick reading. From the looks of it, we are still using Bloomeries. While it is possible we can jump to steel with LoW, Arsenal and a Heroic Mystic, the more likely result is that we get pig iron and the process to make it into wrought iron, which would boost production speed tremendously.
For those that don't want to read up on iron working techniques:
(And I may have misunderstood some parts, but the gist of it should hold true)
Bloom Iron is basically a big iron sponge that forms in a blast furnace where the impurities are hammered out by our new trip hammers. Forging is done on site by hand, which is very labour intensive as you have to reheat it constantly as you hammer it into shape.
Pig Iron is achieved by getting the temperatures high enough to outright melt the iron, keep it liquid and pour it into forms. Usually sand forms. Pig iron itself is fairly useless for the military, but may have some uses in construction. The next step is important.
Wrought Iron is basically taking the pig iron, roasting it and using oxygen to get rid of impurities. You can then add carbon to make it into steel and pour it into a prepared form to have an instant sword. Taking minutes for this part instead of hours.
The big leap (even without steel) is that the processing can be split up and specialized, allowing for higher throughput as you don't have to beat the shit out of a chunk of iron all day and instead do it as with bronze, pour it into a prepared form and just give it a finish.
The leap to steel here is fairly short. You just need to get carbon to 1-2%. Or at least realize that you get something awesome in that case.
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I am not, I am arguing not to send any king war missions
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Umi-san
Procrastinating.
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*shrug* That makes sense to me.
I think the big impact would be the shift in thought r.e. workflow due to having a workspace that multiple people can fit into. I would expect that the Arsenal will, like the Storehouse, serve as a model for workshops elsewhere in the country.
I gotta say that I don't see the value in the WM/BB but that will just depend on the update.
You mean *would* bump their RA, not can, correct?
p not until we influence them
VoidZero
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What's so good about trying to make steel happen anyway?
Mass production of that stuff does not have as big an impact as mass production of iron.
Stainless steel isn't around until electricity and a guy using an iron tipped spear vs a guy using steel tipped spear is not exactly different.
Or people just was steel pots and frying pan? This i understand and support.
Mass production of that stuff does not have as big an impact as mass production of iron.
Stainless steel isn't around until electricity and a guy using an iron tipped spear vs a guy using steel tipped spear is not exactly different.
Or people just was steel pots and frying pan? This i understand and support.
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There was an earlier post about this, let me see if I can go find it...
E: Here
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Sorry, yeah, I meant would.
If it's a model workshop, there are also good odds that we get the idea of making labour more efficient. Manufacturies are very much possible in this age, and that may be what the Arsenal will be. A prototype factory.
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Yes thank you we should just let the Policy take care of it. That is my point
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BungieONI
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Yeah, there's been discussions that since the Arsenal collects together Royal Artisans to apply their think meats to problems in a concentrated area that for their own sanity they will come up with workflow efficiency solutions.