Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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- Original
- Location
- The Deep Blue Sea
I think as long as they don't get into serious conflicts that require either backing down or fighting (e.g. territory or trade disputes), that might be possible?
I'm guessing at the current world tech levels, no.
- Location
- Canada
If a secondary is enough to build the Arsenal then I would go with the second option just for the increased chance of nabbing steel but since AN said to build more then one Arsenal. I'm thinking something along the lines of new trails and double arsenals which would have bigger effects (concentrated talent) then a singular study metal.
[Main] Trails
[Secondary] Arsenal
[Secondary] Arsenalx2
If thats possible to do, if not then,
[Main] New Trails
[Secondary] Arsenal
[Secondary] Study Metal
The syngery would be the central government handling the logistics, setting up the industry and organizing the war effort while the provinces raise local troops which the War Chief leads.
Wasn't that basically each side proclaiming to their people that they won?
For us that would actually be true. Our aim in this war is to protect our settlements. We just have to restore the original borders. The Khemetri are the ones stuck trying to expand into our territory.
- Location
- Australia
@Academia Nut
Hay if we 2main Raise Army when will The Mercenary Company it makes acts? At once, at the mid turn, next turn?
Hay if we 2main Raise Army when will The Mercenary Company it makes acts? At once, at the mid turn, next turn?
Reminder that AN had said before that the Hathatyn and Highlanders had better road networks than we do. Though that's not a difficult feat.
Hatriver should already have trails.
Now, Trails are still valuable, and we should make more of them, but they won't be particularly instrumental to the war effort there.
If you're going for Science Hero's Solution to War you might be better off with
-Main Study Metal
-Secondary Arsenal
-Secondary Arsenal x2/War Mission/Watchtowers/Blackbirds
Don't we need at least a secondary War mission for Lords loyality, or would Gulvalley say 'Okay, Offence Policy and all the mercenaries counts well enough'.
OTOH, AN stated that neither side is winning, so we might want to up the game some more. The Khemetri are probably doing the same.
OTOH, AN stated that neither side is winning, so we might want to up the game some more. The Khemetri are probably doing the same.
- Pronouns
- They/Them
The provinces will take war missions for us while on offense policy.
- Location
- Hell
We have done just Offense policy before and it was sufficient.
- Location
- Sweden
@Sivantic
It feels like you are trying to insult me by raiting my counterargument "funny". Either this is an attempt to rail me up or to discredit my points. If you have points to make or are tired arguing against me (either that i don't seem to get what you are trying to say or that we seem to be getting nowhere) say so in text, not by misusing the rating system.
Or there may have been a unintentional joke in the post.
Lets keep this civil.
It feels like you are trying to insult me by raiting my counterargument "funny". Either this is an attempt to rail me up or to discredit my points. If you have points to make or are tired arguing against me (either that i don't seem to get what you are trying to say or that we seem to be getting nowhere) say so in text, not by misusing the rating system.
Or there may have been a unintentional joke in the post.
Lets keep this civil.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Yeah, ouch. The Khemri specced for massive expansion and then took the traits that let them do this, but it means they have to keep expanding or they implode.
Meanwhile, we're more built for a 'Build Tall' style civ, but we have a problem in that we haven't had a chance to build as tall as we'd like because of how much territory we've swallowed in the last little while. Basically, if they came at us at a better time, I wouldn't be worried. But as things are, they basically have to make this a war to the knife--because it is one to them, their society literally cannot survive the hit that losing King of the Hill would cause given their apparent level of overextension.
I suspect if they knew of the existence of Great Power Thunderdome, they probably wouldn't have expanded north as much as they did since they knew we were the Big Man on the Hill here unless they had their ears plugged.
I think, statistically speaking, we have a modest logistical advantage here, as they're at the end of a long trail of colonies, while we're basically trying to stop them from encroaching on our own frontier. Couple that with our great riverboating capacity, and I think we have an edge. I suspect that Khemri can throw some staggering numbers into the grinder though.
Normally a Great Power War gets resolved quickly while the new equilibrium is settled and the new Big Man is determined, but they don't have a choice, they have to win or they risk imploding (Given how if we conceded, we'd have lost ground, while if we don't concede, we don't gain any clay--I suspect that they're effectively the aggressor here, just that we're taking an aggressive posture out the gate). And while we can win, it'll likely leave us vulnerable to the Trelli trying something.
Yeah, this is going to get ugly, but we don't really have much of a choice. Their build is such that they have to keep pushing or they risk falling apart. They're basically a victim of their own advantages here, and once the fighting starts and they find out that "Oh shit the Ymaryn are both closer to home, and actually pretty fucking good at this war thing", they're going to be doubly fucked because they'll be vulnerable to a civil war, so it'll become a full out "Any price is acceptable to win this conflict because we explode otherwise"
Meanwhile, we're more built for a 'Build Tall' style civ, but we have a problem in that we haven't had a chance to build as tall as we'd like because of how much territory we've swallowed in the last little while. Basically, if they came at us at a better time, I wouldn't be worried. But as things are, they basically have to make this a war to the knife--because it is one to them, their society literally cannot survive the hit that losing King of the Hill would cause given their apparent level of overextension.
I suspect if they knew of the existence of Great Power Thunderdome, they probably wouldn't have expanded north as much as they did since they knew we were the Big Man on the Hill here unless they had their ears plugged.
I think, statistically speaking, we have a modest logistical advantage here, as they're at the end of a long trail of colonies, while we're basically trying to stop them from encroaching on our own frontier. Couple that with our great riverboating capacity, and I think we have an edge. I suspect that Khemri can throw some staggering numbers into the grinder though.
Normally a Great Power War gets resolved quickly while the new equilibrium is settled and the new Big Man is determined, but they don't have a choice, they have to win or they risk imploding (Given how if we conceded, we'd have lost ground, while if we don't concede, we don't gain any clay--I suspect that they're effectively the aggressor here, just that we're taking an aggressive posture out the gate). And while we can win, it'll likely leave us vulnerable to the Trelli trying something.
Yeah, this is going to get ugly, but we don't really have much of a choice. Their build is such that they have to keep pushing or they risk falling apart. They're basically a victim of their own advantages here, and once the fighting starts and they find out that "Oh shit the Ymaryn are both closer to home, and actually pretty fucking good at this war thing", they're going to be doubly fucked because they'll be vulnerable to a civil war, so it'll become a full out "Any price is acceptable to win this conflict because we explode otherwise"
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- Location
- indeterminate, possibly non-existent
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- Any
Since the provinces will be taking war missions, we should really study metal to get steel, and support artisans since our tech is near-zero, as it'll allow us to take advantage of any new innovations from the war, and implement them rapidly enough to be useful.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
Just focus on the arsenal and trail, study can be done next turn. Thanks to the vote, complexity of the shiny new early crossbow is the same if not more complex due to up-sizing.
So having government sponsored in-house artisans will make the production and equipping process more streamlined.
So having government sponsored in-house artisans will make the production and equipping process more streamlined.
The problem is that we are in a somewhat similiar position. If we gave ground, odds are they would be back soon enough to demand more concessions while we fight off the sharks in the lowlands and the steppes. If we win, however, we present a strength no one would want to test, giving us more time to build tall.
As things are, we are perfectly positioned to do it. As in, the only thing better would be zero distractions and a Heroic Martial King, but we have stats overflowing everywhere, tech advantages, advanced government and our logistics are closer to home. If it happens at another time, without population explosion, we'd have much bigger trouble.
We also kinda sit on a major part of their Tin supply, but exploiting that will be risky.
If the Trelli would let us through, we'd be able to actually strike at their heartlands with the catamarans. As much as the Nile is an advantage to them, it's also vulnerable to anyone pushing through with ships.
Honestly, I think professional armies, logistics and tech will carry the day here. Or Cavalry if this war pushes it into mass useage.
ThrawnCA
Carbon-based biped
- Location
- Australia
I'm out, btw. Don't want to watch the People get pounded into the dirt by the Khemetri and then everyone else who's been scared of them if they lose. Don't want to watch them become highly militarised and trigger a bloody civil war among a nation of millions if they win, which would eclipse even the fall of Xohyr.
Maybe I'll check back in a few weeks and see if you guys pulled a rabbit out of your hat and somehow resolved things peacefully. You'll get bonus Stability if you do.
Bye.
Maybe I'll check back in a few weeks and see if you guys pulled a rabbit out of your hat and somehow resolved things peacefully. You'll get bonus Stability if you do.
Bye.
Warning For Marginal Behavior
Well hello there extremely judgmental and diverged-from-reality blaming machine.
- Location
- Huezil
Man, chill, don't get worked up, do as i will do, plan for the spreading of the Khemetri ashes.
- Location
- Austria
I mean...at the end of the day, Ymaryn are children of their age. We are ahistorical enough to strain SOD as is, going full pacifism despite it not being a thing in history, like, ever is a step too far.
But you do you. See ya.
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- indeterminate, possibly non-existent
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- Any
Seriously, calm down and stop being so rude.