Oligarchy is a Decentralized form of government. Its not going to RAISE the cap...and we're still 5 Trails behind.
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DocMatoi
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Only one way to find out where our cent cap actually is.
[X] [Secondary] Enforce Justice
cent+1 is hardly going to kill us.
BungieONI
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True, but Oligarchy was
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pblur
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Don't think anyone agrees with your logic on this. It assumes that all the centralization lost when adding a settlement is due to lack of roads. That's a hard sell.
BungieONI
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Uhh what about the rest of your vote? Or had you not voted yet?
If we could guarantee only +1 centralization, I'd be much happier with it. Instead, it can give us up to +3 centralization.
DocMatoi
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whoops.
[X] [Fyth] Harvest
[X] [Secondary] Enforce Justice
Spider-eye is bandwagoning and I don't know enough to say on the other stuff.
Sure it is. We went from a bunch of elected randoms to an election from a group of people who have been trained from birth to govern. They'll be better able to deal with centralized power effectively.
And we're 5 trails behind if you want double-lane gravel walkways to every dwelling. We don't need that level of ridiculousness. If you want to reduce cultural drift, make people pay more attention to authority as the provinces do more check-ins with the king and keep him better informed.
Also we've seen that Golden Ages will find ways to eat your golden stats. That likely includes Centralization.
DocMatoi
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don't forget- 'less effective with lots of walls'
we are 85% walled. Its most likely going to give us one, especially as a secondary.
Yes. People were claiming we had a higher cap.
Centralization wise it goes:
Kingdom(One King) > Oligarchic Kingdom(One King, Many Nobles) > Oligarchy(Many Nobles) > Confederacy(Many allied City-States) > Independent City-States
We were very unlikely to gain Centralization cap from moving down the track.
Also we're STILL 3-5 Trails behind. Only chance of catching up at present is hoping Main Trails count double without doubling Centralization.
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*Deeply Inhales the scent of do it later*
Yes, this is exactly what I'm talking about.
Heey! Good to see you! Was wondering if you were going to show up
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Why Harvest though...
Fertility is better >.>
nuu, go for the Nature Spirit! Create Dryads galore!
Abby Normal
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I mean...i agree that we should do enforce justice, and that we'll be safe in terms of centralization, but i think calling the switch from ancient provincial kingdom to ancient oligarchic kingdom an "upgrade" is kind of disingenuous...its more of a sidegrade, honestly? Same general system (Central power with semi-autonomous provinces), just with different hereditary situation.
We're 85% walled up, so its a lot harder to end up with the high end of that action.
I mean, i also think we didn't gain cap, i just think we still have the same cap; our system works more or less the same, just with different (in many peoples opinions worse) hereditary situation.
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I'm still getting funnies and hugs on that mistaken vote post.
People really don't forget do they?
People really don't forget do they?
pblur
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So you're literally denying that 'do it later' is ever appropriate?
Guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that.
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Ugh, yeah. Did anyone notice that our current Expand Forest land is almost at full capacity? Should we take this action next turn, this turn, or never?
DocMatoi
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Sell me on it. My goals are to Foster our religion as conducive to study and work, with a second primary goal of preventing the relegation of women to the household. Please explain to me, with some kind of source, how the naked lactation kink fantasy would help with either of those.
pblur
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None of the above. I refuse to let it sit at 4, but otherwise we have bigger fish to fry.
Then please illustrate why our road situation went from Great before we added Stonepen to Okay after, and then to Marginal after we added Northshore.
We have added 6 provinces and built roads twice
Yes, we had that back then. It was explicitly stated as:
This is the Cultural experience thing.
We didn't get any boost here.
We're currently dealing with four provinces without any roads beyond dirt tracks. There's no roads even to their capitals.
Build roads and it'd be easier to transport workers and construction materials. I'd be willing to settle for even decent roads to every capital, but we don't even have that.
Enforce Justice is for when you have ways to burn Centralization via stuff like LoO. It's great for that.
Also Centralization is explicitly different as a stat.
Full capacity is fine. As soon as we hit that, we expand. Alternatively we expand at the same time if it's something we have planned.
We know mines take it. We suspect doing a bunch of docks/boats actions will also take it. So next time we unlock a mine or if we ever hit 4/4.
Sorry if the discussion has already changed shape during the pages I just skipped, but the arguments that fertility is best because it encompasses everything else, and thus is best because the broader, less specific and bloated a gods domain is the better, reeeeeaaaally reming me of amber age. And I already got tired of them back then... damn divine feature creep.
I also really dont like the idea of our chief female goddess being a naked gal focused around reproduction, especially if we could instead inject some way more positive gender stereotypes into our little wooddwarves.
I also really dont like the idea of our chief female goddess being a naked gal focused around reproduction, especially if we could instead inject some way more positive gender stereotypes into our little wooddwarves.
BungieONI
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Ehh true... I'll strike it out and edit a bit. It just strikes me as a more advanced form, since we developed it through time, so it can handle the rigors of more cent through banked institutional knowledge handed down through the families? Ya know?
It's been noticed.
I'd want more forests up before doing anything that might commit more of them, so before any more mines, serious metal study, or shipyards.
If we're not planning to do anything that uses lots of wood, though, it can probably wait a bit longer.
pblur
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Veekie, we invented nondirttrack roads less than a century ago. OF COURSE most of our roads are dirt tracks.
And any citations for your claim they have no road to their capital? It sounds like bullcrap to me.
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VoidZero
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At least you haven't got Meow from AN when he ninja'ed your post.
I'm feeling like this crook with the timing of things.
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Our first and most recent Study Forests was a province action before The Law, and we haven't taken any study actions(besides Study Stars) since before we got Love of Wisdom. I want to study the trees, and this is a good of chance as any to do a control test to see how much LoW increases our likelihood on innovation before we get into a Golden Age.