Quoting myself.
ANd the best way to break that democratic deadlock? Step away from the voting, and realize that you can compromise for the greater good.
HA!
We just lost Greater Good! Fucking meta!
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ANd the best way to break that democratic deadlock? Step away from the voting, and realize that you can compromise for the greater good.
HA!
We just lost Greater Good! Fucking meta!
BungieONI
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Dang. Where'd you find the background picture for that. I like trains and am very tempted to make that my desktop background.
Oh yeah and something that I think a lot of people have missed: The voting algorithm implicitly uses approval voting. You can vote for multiple options at once, though only one will be chosen in the end.
So, repeating my plans from before, but with the added chance of -3:
Stability 0 or 1:
[Main] Grand Temple
[Secondary] Expand Snail Production
[Secondary] Expand Snail Production x2
Might switch snails to vineyards if that looks more promising.
Stability -1 or -2:
[Main] Grand Temple
[Secondary] Restore Order
[Secondary] Restore Order x2
Stability -3:
[Main] Grand Temple
[Secondary] Change Policy - Restoration
[Secondary] Expand Economy
Possible alternative Stability 0 plan:
[Main] Grand Temple
[Kick] Grand Temple
[Secondary] Restore Order
[Secondary] Restore Order x2
Any opinions on these plans? With our new trait having been further explained, I think the action-equivalents it gives from going all-in on it will be worth more than the combined price of trying to remove it and the relatively minor costs it may incur before removal.
So, repeating my plans from before, but with the added chance of -3:
Stability 0 or 1:
[Main] Grand Temple
[Secondary] Expand Snail Production
[Secondary] Expand Snail Production x2
Might switch snails to vineyards if that looks more promising.
Stability -1 or -2:
[Main] Grand Temple
[Secondary] Restore Order
[Secondary] Restore Order x2
Stability -3:
[Main] Grand Temple
[Secondary] Change Policy - Restoration
[Secondary] Expand Economy
Possible alternative Stability 0 plan:
[Main] Grand Temple
[Kick] Grand Temple
[Secondary] Restore Order
[Secondary] Restore Order x2
Any opinions on these plans? With our new trait having been further explained, I think the action-equivalents it gives from going all-in on it will be worth more than the combined price of trying to remove it and the relatively minor costs it may incur before removal.
pblur
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We don't do plan voting. We don't generally do scheduled closures.
Part of the design of this voting system is to increase chaos, and force some amount of political wheeling and dealing. That's to model real life. Public forums work that way.
In this case, a compromise platform snuck in and critted an admin roll to unite both popular platforms (much to the chagrin of all hardliners everywhere.)
This is a feature of this voting system. Go try to get AN to use a less chaotic one if you don't like it. Good luck!
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Type in '40k heresy' in google images. Should be the third picture.
VoidZero
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Slippery slope to label one type of voting as disruptive. Do we ban everyone to make things fair?
Umi-san
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yeah, we vote with our hearts
or our hearts and logic, i.e. voting strategically
ppl literally always say "this isn't what I want buy, yakno, strategic voting"
pblur
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In other words, this is simulative. Which is probably why AN likes it.
We don't do plan voting. We don't generally do scheduled closures.
Part of the design of this voting system is to increase chaos, and force some amount of political wheeling and dealing. That's to model real life. Public forums work that way.
In this case, a compromise platform snuck in and critted an admin roll to unite both popular platforms (much to the chagrin of all hardliners everywhere.)
This is a feature of this voting system. Go try to get AN to use a less chaotic one if you don't like it. Good luck!
Maybe we should motion by popular demand new voting laws.
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And I'm not a moderator or have any official role. I can still ask the thread not to do so.
Not really?
Strategic voting means using your single votes to push what you want forward. What just happened was a few people grabbing all the votes to grab what they want. People voted for just one thing, not both things.
This isn't anything to do with that. This is ripping off all the other voters who voted for just Crow or just Fythhagyna.We don't do plan voting. We don't generally do scheduled closures.
Part of the design of this voting system is to increase chaos, and force some amount of political wheeling and dealing. That's to model real life. Public forums work that way.
In this case, a compromise platform snuck in and critted an admin roll to unite both popular platforms (much to the chagrin of all hardliners everywhere.)
This is a feature of this voting system. Go try to get AN to use a less chaotic one if you don't like it. Good luck!
Umi-san
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not fond of kicking; imo saltern is closer than dye is.
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My preferred vote for next turn is
[Main] Grand Temple
[Secondary] Establish Trading Post
[Secondary] Establish Trading Post x2
This gives us access to Gold for the Temple.
[Main] Grand Temple
[Secondary] Establish Trading Post
[Secondary] Establish Trading Post x2
This gives us access to Gold for the Temple.
pblur
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Preetttty sure this isn't a democracy on things like that. And I appreciate the structure this gives. Wheeling and dealing is fun.
pblur
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I don't think anyone was ripped off at all. I think a lot of people didn't get exactly what they wanted (myself included). A compromize platform won. It's not uncommon for those to be unpopular with literally everyone.
BungieONI
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I think these are all fine. Little leary honestly of the Grand Temple Kick. Seems a little more impactful narratively to do that right after what ever comes next, but if we are at 0 Stab then that's balancing that out to some degree.
I like the dye though a lot since that is the easiest good to get into dominant with and considering geography will be one of the easier ones to maintain in my head. Need to think some more about other options...
Umi-san
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I can mostly get behind this but it means that when we want to establish the eastern march we'd have to both integrate ST and make the March on the same turn in order to not have overloaded martial.
It provides the same diplo that managing to get either snails or salt would get, though, and in a single turn.
BungieONI
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Kinda the nature of compromises in the field. Sorta. Sometimes they work out differently but it's rare.
I was thinking that kicking would work narratively, but we'll have to see on the update. It's nice because it gets 2 progress done and has a 44% chance of getting us +1 stability (only works if we're at 0 though)
You think a [Main] Snails won't be enough to dominate the market? We do have competition so we'll have to push it a bit more to keep the dominate, but I'm pretty sure we've got a dominating position with ~1/2 the investment of Saltern.
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To put it in an example if AN wants to accept this.
Next turn we vote for projects. What if have a tie between three different secondaries? Do all three Secondaries get passed?
It is no different than what happened here.
BungieONI
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I've been meaning to ask what is your avatar Umi? It's some kind of garden design if I don't miss my guess.
Also one thing to note is that absorbing the stallions will give some amount of Econ and Martial and probably Expansion as well. So thing to keep in mind. Though the cost of the new march will probably balance out.
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It is a copy of the Medieval Snail Doodles that was passing through the thread a while back.
BungieONI
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Oh really *squints* huh he changed it again. It was a garden thing last time I checked after the initial switch from the cute cat.
E: or maybe my sight comprehension failed.