So leaving my lurker status for the moment.

I think we could have unlocked that intrigue stat, if it exists, like 500 years ago by taking Main More Blackbirds a few times.
 
The law/tradition does not actually stop you from doing things. Just because, for example, stealing is illegal, does not mean that you are cannot steal.

Essentially, yes.

The same theorem can be applied to society in general. There are consequences to going against peer pressure, consequences to breaking social norms, consequences.. whose likely outcomes might nudge one into doing something other than they would otherwise have done. Certainly not to tbe same extreme as torture, death and such, but the principle does apply.
At that point saying that they have no choice is absolutely correct because the expanded explanation states the same exact conclusion.

To argue otherwise is simply being pedantic.
 
So leaving my lurker status for the moment.

I think we could have unlocked that intrigue stat, if it exists, like 500 years ago by taking Main More Blackbirds a few times.
It's been hinted to blatantly stated that taking main blackbirds enough times would get us intel on our neighbors, so quite possible. Around when we first got them, I believe, if you want to check.

We keep on super advancing our society and having to deal with the fallout so we haven't had the luxury of pursing such endeavors though.
 
At that point saying that they have no choice is absolutely correct because the expanded explanation states the same exact conclusion.

To argue otherwise is simply being pedantic.
No, they do have a choice. They are capable of choosing. That they are not allowed to is irrelevent.

That is the point. That people who aren't slaves can effectively be enslaved without actually being formally be made a slave.
 
No, they do have a choice. They are capable of choosing. That they are not allowed to is irrelevent.

That is the point. That people who aren't slaves can effectively be enslaved without actually being formally be made a slave.
Legality of slavery/formality has little to do with being unable to make a choice however you try to wrangle it.

The ultimate conclusion, if we don't talk past one another for a few pages while we violent agree in different languages, is that everyone is in the end a slave at one point or another to someone or something. That might be the depression talking.
 
Legality of slavery/formality has little to do with being unable to make a choice however you try to wrangle it.

The ultimate conclusion, if we don't talk past one another for a few pages while we violent agree in different languages, is that everyone is in the end a slave at one point or another to someone or something. That might be the depression talking.
That is actually my view, and has been so for quite some time, actually.
 
Legality of slavery/formality has little to do with being unable to make a choice however you try to wrangle it.

The ultimate conclusion, if we don't talk past one another for a few pages while we violent agree in different languages, is that everyone is in the end a slave at one point or another to someone or something. That might be the depression talking.
Life is pointless and then you're dead. So let's try and make it easier/better for other people.
 
Maybe if both of you define your terms, the debate will go smoother? It feels like you are talking past each other.
I'm pretty sure we've never done an into the wild trade mission, and as for the sailing mission we did, it was specifically directed at rumors of the metal workers in the west. It was not a 'go see what you can see'
Be right back. Searching.
 
[x] [Main] Great Temple
[x] [Secondary] Enforce Justice
[x] [Secondary] Restore Order
[x] [CA] Xohyssiri
[X] [Clan] Roll back, institute geographic administration within Valleyhome (Possibility of stability loss)
 
Why would we want intrigue? When would we use it?

We seem to go out of our way at every voting turn to not inconvenience our neighbors. We basically had a budding March gift wrapped for us and we gave it back to the HK in exchange for peace.
 
Why would we want intrigue? When would we use it?

We seem to go out of our way at every voting turn to not inconvenience our neighbors. We basically had a budding March gift wrapped for us and we gave it back to the HK in exchange for peace.
As far as I understood the quest, that attitude netted us the 'life sucks here, let's move over to these nice people who don't make it their hobby to kill our man and rape our woman.' actions/events.
 
Fatalism is the death of self.
Definition of fatalism
  1. : a doctrine that events are fixed in advance so that human beings are powerless to change them; also : a belief in or attitude determined by this doctrine fatalism that regards social problems as simply inevitable
fatalist

play\ˈfā-tə-list\ noun
fatalistic

play\ˌfā-tə-ˈli-stik\ adjective
fatalistically

play\ˌfā-tə-ˈli-sti-k(ə-)lē\ adverb

What I see that out look DocMatoi has is anti-nihilist.

nihilism

noun
1.
total rejection of established laws and institutions.
2.
anarchy, terrorism, or other revolutionary activity.
3.
total and absolute destructiveness, especially toward the world at largeand including oneself:
the power-mad nihilism that marked Hitler's last years.

4.
Philosophy.
  1. an extreme form of skepticism: the denial of all real existence orthe possibility of an objective basis for truth.
  2. nothingness or nonexistence.
5.
(sometimes initial capital letter) the principles of a Russianrevolutionary group, active in the latter half of the 19th century,holding that existing social and political institutions must be destroyedin order to clear the way for a new state of society and employingextreme measures, including terrorism and assassination.
6.
annihilation of the self, or the individual consciousness, especially as anaspect of mystical experience.

Antinihilism I see as taking this and say if it has no meaning why not make it all around better?
 
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Like the players making choices they spin regret, hours presence to point that out before and after the fact has become a constant companion in my quests. My rarest treat is to catch him off guard.

Um....maybe it's me being slow this late in the evening, but I cannot parse this, sorry. :(

EDIT: Was it "Like the players making choices they spin/regret, his presence to point that out before and after the fact has become a constant companion in my quests. My rarest treat is to catch him off guard."?
 
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Um....maybe it's me being slow this late in the evening, but I cannot parse this, sorry. :(
Let me attempt a translation:

Ahem

"Like the players making choices they spin then regret, hours his presence to point that out before and after the fact has become a constant companion in my quests. My rarest treat is to catch him off guard."
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