PyroTechno
The Procrastination Pokemon
"Please remember to keep a civil tone and debate in good faith."
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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"Please remember to keep a civil tone and debate in good faith."
What are you talking about? GG's pushback against Weapons of the Gods was explicitly because people were saying "yeah we totally need these god-weapons". So let's get those freaking god-weapons instead of making awesome plows and the like.
Martial 13 is a lot. Even with two crits we still ate away at a massive portion of the nomads. With Iron Weapons we're in a better position than we were at the start of this turn and our people are out for blood.
@Academia Nut
Can you give us more details about the admin roll process please?
Is it purely random at average admin or is it my hypothesized 50% perfect ordering 50% random, or is it determined solely by your whims and the roll just informs you?
- Location
- Australia
Fair enough. Sorry for getting heated. I still heavily disagree with everything that you're saying.
What good is glory if you can't enjoy it? They just got enormous political capital and not using it to get more boyz is dumb. There are other targets as well.
This is already covered for them. They got there victory. They got their loot. They broke a few tribes on The People already. They got their vengeance for now. Its time to solidify their gains and have another go later.
They already got a deed worthy of song. Your basically declaring the don't understand hit and run tactics... and that is the nomads thing.
What better loot and glory than assimilating half a dozen depleted tribes with the power of your victory?
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Martial would be at least good, and the current king is absolutely average for everything. As for the war, had you not been facing strategic geniuses the nomads would be gone for a generation or two, and as it is have probably been locally depleted to the point that they won't bother you anyway... but then again heroic leaders.
Admin would be mediocre at worst, and would have little to no effect on the roll.
It depends on what else is done.
- Location
- Australia
The nomads are going to come back in a generation if we don't beat them decisively now. Setting up for a Grand Sacrifice just leaves us open militarily by not using actions to prepare.
- Location
- Simi Valley, CA, United States
It's not going to happen anytime soon, but as I said - I feel like it sets a good precedent.
Now, as for iron weapons vs. iron tools I think people need to consider a few things. First off, if there continues to be a Offensive (as there likely will be) but without a trump card for the People to turn the tables on the nomads there will be chances of further loses (especially against two Heroic generals). Secondly, voters should think about the future - being able to make metal (let alone iron) weapons on the battlefield will revolutionize warfare. The sooner the Weapons of the Gods debilitating belief is changed the better. And lastly, there is a interplay between weapons and tools, that's why even if Tools is chosen Martial is raised by 2. We'll get both. It's just a question of which is more important at the moment.
- Location
- Panama City
Sorry, I should have probably quoted only the part I objected to, which was this:
Yeah, that's thinking waaay to charitably for this era, where a king relieved of duty by someone who "better fit's the situation" would likely result in that person staying in power, rather than some ridiculous notion of rotating kings.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
Inserted tally
- Location
- Panama City
And I say you're talking lunacy if you think that would remotely happen. Jeez, we don't manage that in THIS era, much less early iron age!
- Location
- Hell
I think we can all stand to be a little less condescending yes.
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Good to know
[X] Tools (+8 Econ, +2 Martial, ???)
[X] Restore order (Main usage)
[X] Offensive (+1 Stability)
[X] Yes (+1 Stability, -1 Legitimacy, Martial focused character becomes king)
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
Wait, doesn't this mean if we fail our admin rolls we straight up lose our civ? We could hit -4 Stability!
[X] Tools (+8 Econ, +2 Martial, ???)
[X] Restore order (Main usage)
[X] Offensive (+1 Stability)
[X] Yes (+1 Stability, -1 Legitimacy, Martial focused character becomes king)
[X] Tools (+8 Econ, +2 Martial, ???)
[X] Restore order (Main usage)
[X] Offensive (+1 Stability)
[X] Yes (+1 Stability, -1 Legitimacy, Martial focused character becomes king)
- Pronouns
- He/Him
If you choose to do Restoration of order and a stability dropping action, yes, it is entirely possible.
DkArthas
CAPITAL IS TO BLAME
- Location
- Earth
- Pronouns
- They
Now who is being rude?
PyroTechno
The Procrastination Pokemon
Yes, I think I see what you're saying with the Weapons at least. I had actually forgotten about Weapons of the Gods.
[X] Weapons (+2 Econ, +8 Martial, ???)
[X] Leave things be
[X] Offensive (+1 Stability)
[X] Yes (+1 Stability, -1 Legitimacy, Martial focused character becomes king)
(relevant remark about voting discipline here)
I think we're pretty much screwed at this point.
- Location
- Panama City
Yes, and it IS a gamble. Which is why I've voted they way I did, but it seems people don;'t agree with me and/or want to put the martial guy in charge without checking the tally to see if that vote does what they want instead of blowing us up doe to the yes option to winning.
- Location
- United Kingdom
[X] Leave things be
[X] Offensive (+1 Stability)
[X] Yes (+1 Stability, -1 Legitimacy, Martial focused character becomes king)
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10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
- Location
- Present
The nomads are already locally depleted.
Going to kill them all will not prevent new nomad tribes from moving in, so I doubt it would add any extra protection.
In fact, I'd argue the opposite. Currently, the depleted nomad tribes likely don't want to attack us, but they prevent other nomads from moving it. They form a minor buffer against fresh nomads.