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Necratoid said:
It makes more sense if you remember that those were nomads from other nomad's tribes. They got suckered in and foddered... which means that their women and stuff can be assimilated as a conquer's dessert.
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AN didn't give us the option to trigger CA.

Even if they were to be assimilated, there's no way, we're taking a stability loss. Let the Stallion Tribe have it.
 
Potato and Chip said:
[X] Tools (+8 Econ, +2 Martial, ???)
[x] Leave things be
[X] Offensive (+1 Stability)
[X] No (-1 Stability, +1 Legitimacy)[ /QUOTE]
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Your vote has an extra [/QUOTE]
NotteBoy97 said:
So decided to change my vote but quick question but why are some people voting for restoration of order with taking all the stability gaining actions since that way we end with 0 stability and RoO will at best get us 1 stab and at worst back to -1?
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That still gives 3/4 chance of not loss. Sure getting 2 stability out of that action would be nice, but Stability 1 is still pretty nice.
 
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Necratoid said:
It makes more sense if you remember that those were nomads from other nomad's tribes. They got suckered in and foddered... which means that their women and stuff can be assimilated as a conquer's dessert.
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Icing on the cake for those heros i'm sure. I wonder if we would get influx of nomads next turn?
 
[X] Tools (+8 Econ, +2 Martial, ???)
[X] Restore order (Main usage)
[X] Offensive (+1 Stability)
[X] No (-1 Stability, +1 Legitimacy)
 
Kiba said:
AN didn't give us the option to trigger CA.

Even if they were to be assimilated, there's no way, we're taking a stability loss. Let the Stallion Tribe have it.
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I don't think he meant we would get them. I believe he meant that the hero nomads basically planned it so they have somewhere to raid for free afterwards.
 
Academia Nut said:
Actually, no, the king is supposed to serve for life or until obviously physically incapacitated, at which point they go into honourable retirement. Forcibly retiring the current chief, who also didn't exactly do anything wrong, there's just a major crisis ongoing, is not something that is normally done.
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So if we go this route, we will create a precedent thar everytime somenthing "strange" happens, we can change the chief... so a lot of corruption and politicking will come from that, correct?
 
[X] Tools (+8 Econ, +2 Martial, ???)
[x] Leave things be
[X] Offensive (+1 Stability)
[X] No (-1 Stability, +1 Legitimacy)

Changing my mind again.
 
BlueFlamingWings said:
You don't see the connection of having a Martial focused king and doing well when we go on the Offensive against the nomads?

The precedent for overthrowing rulers is only a bad precedent if done violently. I doubt our current king is going to be assassinated.
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Yes, all that will do is cement the martial guy as being the better choice for in charge. It will NOT have him removed once the crisis is over.

Basically, it sets the precedent for the guy in power to be removed if people thinks he's fucking up during a crisis, which is an entirely different thing to a meritocracy and has no way to lead to such.
 
Malevolo said:
So if we go this route, we will create a precedent thar everytime somenthing "strange" happens, we can change the chief... so a lot of corruption and politicking will come from that, correct?
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It's a distinct possibility. Do remember that Julius and Augustus cemented their power by essentially riding long enough crises that they were able to consolidate "emergency" power into enduring power.
 
tryrar said:
Yes, and it IS a gamble. Which is why I've voted they way I did, but it seems people don;'t agree with me and/or want to put the martial guy in charge without checking the tally to see if that vote does what they want instead of blowing us up doe to the yes option to winning.
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I'm hoping @Academia Nut is going to leave this open for a good while, especially if we're in a split vote situation that could risk destruction

Also, switching back, i forgot that RoO couldn't give the +2 with legit down
[X] Tools (+8 Econ, +2 Martial, ???)
[x] Leave things be
[X] Offensive (+1 Stability)
[X] No (-1 Stability, +1 Legitimacy)
 
I... umm feel bad for the current king.

[X] Tools (+8 Econ, +2 Martial, ???)
[X] Restore order (Main usage)
[X] Offensive (+1 Stability)
[X] No (-1 Stability, +1 Legitimacy)

There is a risk... but... small?
 
Academia Nut said:
It's a distinct possibility. Do remember that Julius and Augustus cemented their power by essentially riding long enough crises that they were able to consolidate "emergency" power into enduring power.
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What is the possibility of the King steping down because he's in a situation he's not capable of doing, let's say abdicating?
 
10ebbor10 said:
The nomads are already locally depleted.

Going to kill them all will not prevent new nomad tribes from moving in, so I doubt it would add any extra protection.

In fact, I'd argue the opposite. Currently, the depleted nomad tribes likely don't want to attack us, but they prevent other nomads from moving it. They form a minor buffer against fresh nomads.
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This is wrong and it is wrong in a way that contradicts what AN said outside of updates and in them. AN said that if it weren't for the two heroes, the nomads would've left us alone by now for 1-2 generations. The current crop of nomads don't create this imaginary "buffer" you think they do, they just enable the two heroes to round up other tribes and attack us again. Destroying the current nomads will prevent the "fresh" nomads from being gathered and sent against us.
 
DragonParadox said:
Grass fires will help if we want to fight dirty.
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Your suggesting burning an area the size of a continent here. Those nomads are steppe herpes.
Kiba said:
Even if they were to be assimilated, there's no way, we're taking a stability loss. Let the Stallion Tribe have it.
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Your not getting it. Those tribes are in lands The People have never heard of. They are over 1000 km away through unsearched lands. Its not The People who are getting an influx of nomads... its the tribe of the Hero Unit nomads that are going to assimilate other tribes in the great and mightly land of wwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyy the hell over there.
VoidZero said:
Icing on the cake for those heros i'm sure. I wonder if we would get influx of nomads next turn?
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Reread the story post they got these nomad fodder units from lands so far away they may never have heard of The People before.
 
tryrar said:
Yes, all that will do is cement the martial guy as being the better choice for in charge. It will NOT have him removed once the crisis is over.

Basically, it sets the precedent for the guy in power to be removed if people thinks he's fucking up during a crisis, which is an entirely different thing to a meritocracy and has no way to lead to such.
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But from the text there isn't a sense, at all, that our current king is "fucking up". It's just that they want a Martial focused leader for the war effort.
 
So the older hero has been alive for three turns now. He should be dead by the beginning of next turn.
The younger hero has been alive for two turns now. There is a good chance he'll be dead by next turn.

We may be able to survive this.
 
Necratoid said:
Actually, The People repulsed them and they picked up a giant pile of other nomad's people to use as fodder. That 2/3s of the force killed was the fodder from other tribes. The Hero units were not even in the army that got squished.

So its a matter of versing 2 hero units in their favored field (military) in their home terrain (step) with a nonhero unit. Unless the rolls go utterly crushingly in the favor of The People they aren't going to obliterate them. What is at risk on a fail is not just the military... it losing psuedo-star metal weapons to a pair of hero legends as icing to their victory cake.

A loss here means nomads will keep coming for the magic weapons they can loot with luck. They'll never want t leave The People alone.
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We will be going after them with a military score of 13, while they are burdened by plunder.
They only have 1/3 of their forces, while we have a third more martial than we had at the beginning of the turn.

If we choose weapons and offensive deployment we will run them down and crush them.
 
2xMachina said:
I... umm feel bad for the current king.

[ Tools (+8 Econ, +2 Martial, ???)
[ Restore order (Main usage)
[ Offensive (+1 Stability)
[] No (-1 Stability, +1 Legitimacy)

There is a risk... but... small?
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No. This is not a small risk. Its fucking big risk. Restore order has almost never gone well for us iirc. Relying on Restore while we have a average king is a stupid idea liable to break our narion.

Also people. Remind me. Doesnt our civ break at -3 stab instead of -4 stab?
 
[X] Tools (+8 Econ, +2 Martial, ???)
[X] Leave things be
[X] Offensive (+1 Stability)
[X] Yes (+1 Stability, -1 Legitimacy, Martial focused character becomes king)
 
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