Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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Motoko
Herald of Iron to The People
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- Canada, ontario
B/c I don't think I voted
[X] Devote more assistants to the leaders, decreasing the complexity of their tasks
[X] [Main] Fight Forest Blight
[X] [Secondary] Black Soil
[X] [Secondary] Expand Managed Forests
Forest economy boost ho!
[X] Devote more assistants to the leaders, decreasing the complexity of their tasks
[X] [Main] Fight Forest Blight
[X] [Secondary] Black Soil
[X] [Secondary] Expand Managed Forests
Forest economy boost ho!
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You know what? Though the goal here is stopping the desertification, going by how significant the time skips seem to be, full forest seems to imply a whole generation dedicated to figuring out how to maintain the ecosystem, and to me that sounds like success, in fact, maybe if we go full forest we'll upgrade [gardeners of the land] as a bonus!
Hyacinthium
Writing about sad cannibals as we speak.
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- Bedroom
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[X] Support more wise folk to serve as educators
[X][Mega-Project] Fight Forest Blight
[X][Secondary] Black Soil
[X][Secondary] Expand Managed Forests
EDUCATE THY OFFSPRING ON THE WAYS OF THE LAND
[X][Mega-Project] Fight Forest Blight
[X][Secondary] Black Soil
[X][Secondary] Expand Managed Forests
EDUCATE THY OFFSPRING ON THE WAYS OF THE LAND
- Location
- United States
@Academia Nut, will the New Settlement option be locked in the previously mentioned location between the coastal village and the farming village, or are we allowed to put it wherever we want?
- Location
- Las Islas Filipinas
Finally caught up. A single afternoon and it bloats by 11 pages...
[X] Support more wise folk to serve as educators
[X] [Mega-Project] Fight Forest Blight
[X] [Secondary] Black Soil
[X] [Secondary] Expand Managed Forests
Its a mega project so it wont be done next turn or probably even the one after that. Education will take a bit more time, but i think a beurocract will form on its own with a much larger educated population
[X] Support more wise folk to serve as educators
[X] [Mega-Project] Fight Forest Blight
[X] [Secondary] Black Soil
[X] [Secondary] Expand Managed Forests
Its a mega project so it wont be done next turn or probably even the one after that. Education will take a bit more time, but i think a beurocract will form on its own with a much larger educated population
Motoko
Herald of Iron to The People
- Location
- Canada, ontario
Just..... No.
Stahp.
Desertification is irreversible even today as the entire ecosystem is destroyed as a result of it. You can't just plant some trees, throw down some dirt and call it a day! Once it is desertified it's over, there's barely any nutrients, no or too little water and all of the flora and fauna have died off. If it happens near us we are well on track to having to relocate.
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- United States
We're utterly screwed if we let the surrounding areas desertify. For an example, with modern technology no nations have even attempted to terraform the Sahara because of the massive drain on resources.
We, on the other hand, are still in the stone age. We have absolutely zero chance of fixing the situation if we ignore it now.
Once the land has turned into a desert it will be nearly impossible to replant the forest. The fertile soil will be gone and is extremly hard to replaced. Also the amount of work needed is much higher, as the areas that need to be replanted are larger. If we act now much of the soil will still be there, the deforested and blighted areas are smaller than the whole forest.
- Location
- Austria
1. No. Making desertified lands fertile again is...something we can do now IRL, I think, but only localized and with a lot of trouble, even for a modern times. In game, preventing desertification is possible, reversing...I very, very much doubt we will have a shot at it if it gets bad enough, which may be all too soon.
Like seriously, IRL reversing desertification meets limited success. In stone age? If it gets bad enough, it's bad end or at the very least major, major blow to our everything.
2. What enemy territory? Hills are ours, and if somebody settles there, we welcome them, teach them how to farm and care for the land, and several generations down the line get yet another settlement for free. Again. It happened before. But, like, managing forests brings the land under our control, so what enemies are you talking about?
Once desertification has set in we basically have to replace the entire fertile top soil. While there's not much in the way of vegetation to prevent it from being eroded by wind and water. And the areas we are reclaiming are also getting sand and dust from the desert blown on top of the soil.
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- United States
This is a major part of the reason I'm arguing for Expand Managed Forests over New Settlement. Sure, New Settlement takes care of a logistics problem and gets us a boost on culture, but the situation is dire. Desertification is no joke. We need to devote absolutely every effort in keeping it at bay.
Black Soil added to Expand Managed Forests should give us a major boost in combating the blight.
Black Soil added to Expand Managed Forests should give us a major boost in combating the blight.
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This is exactly why I want a new settlement. Having another logistical base makes the area we can cover bigger.
Note that we automatically manage forests to some extent, we're already managing all the forests near our existing settlements, because it's essential to our agriculture methods and every settlement needs farms as a food source. The chiefs have been known to start Manage Forests and Build Farms without our choosing the option, but never a new settlement due to our early choices
Basically:
-Manage Forests Now, Settlement Next
Covers less forest than
-Settlement Now, Forests Next
Do consider how much more labor intensive it is to try to tend a forest 10 days walk away from the village, which is where all the clay burners, masons and supplies in general are housed, compared to starting a new settlement and having increased our "forest within 1 day's walk of a village" zone by four times and covering one of the smaller river borders entirely.
Motoko
Herald of Iron to The People
- Location
- Canada, ontario
Nope, we don't even have a true chance b/c of the insane amounts of nutrient mix and fertilizer we'd need to use in such a short period. I.e we'd need to put down enough fertilizer and soil mix that the trees we plant would have enough to grow before it is leached away and also in amounts where they don't get poisoned from the overload. That's assuming we somehow move enough dirt and water that this can happen before it sets in again so trees and stabilizing flora can actually grow.
TLDR: we'd be fucked and taking the chance that it could happen is dumb.
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- United States
You both have fair points, but you need to keep in mind that we still haven't gotten an answer on if we're allowed to choose where the new settlement goes. Every time it's been mentioned before in the updates, it's always been between the farming village and coastal village.
EDIT: If I receive a guarantee that we'll be able to choose the location of the new settlement and put it in the right place to combat the forest blight, I'll happily switch my vote.
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StellarMonarch
Myrmidon
- Location
- Québec
[X] Support more wise folk to serve as educators
[X][Mega-Project] Fight Forest Blight
[X][Secondary] Black Soil
[X][Secondary] Expand Managed Forests
[X][Mega-Project] Fight Forest Blight
[X][Secondary] Black Soil
[X][Secondary] Expand Managed Forests
Yes, we have the location described.
It's not outright stated, but the new settlement's location would be more or less where the Holy Place is.
You're quite reasonably thinking of linear distance, but in terms of the journey from the Valley village to the Fishing village, the mid point is the waterfall where the Holy Place is, because nobody's going to climb up and down and up hills to get there when they can follow the course of a river.
As such it's much further north than anyone is thinking, because why would you start a village where nobody can reach it easily?
That would be a good place to put a village for this. It allows us to more easily reach the forest on both banks of the river going to the costal village and its tributiary river as well.
