VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
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I agree, but there are no convenient excuses for war. ;_;
In other news, maybe if we burn myth points with main study metal and set policy to restoration?
Paths of Civilization
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I agree, but there are no convenient excuses for war. ;_;
In other news, maybe if we burn myth points with main study metal and set policy to restoration?
- Location
- Austria
> for a bit
> Lowland Meatgrinder
Doesn't really work like this, sadly.
Stallions: Always trying very hard to benefit the entire people, always creating even more problems in the process.
It's like they are one big critfail.
"Defending my ally" is absolutely a valid casus belli. "Helping my ally to attack their enemies" is not as good, but we at least would face a choice between helping them (and sticking our people into offensive war) or not helping them (straining relations and making the alliance less reliable).
Like, we've got this far by carefully being neutral unless not being so benefits us; alliance would take away parts of our ability to choose, or at least penalise the choice to remain neutral.
Which i much better than Full Hereditary because it allows a way bigger pool of candidates, along with filtering outright morons because those can't become local Chiefs who are the only King candidates.
We will lose our ability to tell Abysmal leaders to fuck off with full Hereditary. That's going to fuck us over.
Our chiefs were influenced this way before. Remember the corruption scandals? Chiefs favoring their own children for chief happens, but is CURRENTLY counter to our system and one of the things that Restore Order quashes. However, under the new system Magwyna would have found it very difficult to become King at all.
Look at the specific points being raised here:
1) Northern provinces should continue to take in Nomad wives and culture.
Attrikwyn PoV:
-Pros: Diplomatic annexation of Nomad tribes over time. Prevention of nomad raids for a time.
-Cons: No cons.
Magwyna PoV:
-Pros: Diplomatic annexation of Nomad tribes over time. Prevention of nomad raids for a time.
-Cons: Further penetration of Nomad culture into Northern provinces, systematically integrating their values.
Meta PoV:
-This is strictly about buying turns of peace from Nomad Raids through adopting Nomad culture.
2) The chief families should stop marrying commoners, refugees and foreigners, but should strongly increase their intermarriage
Attrikwyn PoV:
-Pros: Ensures loyalty in chiefs, because nobody betrays family. Locks out refugees from attaining power
-Cons: Magwyna's family will become the source of all chiefs.
Magwyna PoV:
-Pros: Reduces the risks of foreign influence on chiefs marrying foreigners.
-Cons: Further reinforces insular nature of chiefs and makes them more distant from the people they govern. Locks out refugees from attaining power.
Meta PoV:
-This is how you get inbreeding as the chief families will now marry with an eye to maximizing number of connections.
-This is how you allow chief families to build up favors generationally and gain a permanent advantage.
-This is how you make it harder for someone to become chief through the Advisor or Shaman track.
- Location
- Panama City
.....we already HAVE a nobility class, haven't you been paying attention?
- Location
- Austria
Yep. basically it sacrifices any further Magwyna's for the 'enduring' (meaning until dynasty changes or something else weird happens, so...5 turns at most) alliance with the people whose help we do not need at all and measly 2 Diplomacy.
Appeasing Ataturk is the only real upside, and appeasing him can be done by Trails and giving Northerners more resources instead of dooming the very system that allows us to get the likes of Magwyna while negating possible Abysmal heirs via the long, hard selection process.
Appeasing Ataturk is the only real upside, and appeasing him can be done by Trails and giving Northerners more resources instead of dooming the very system that allows us to get the likes of Magwyna while negating possible Abysmal heirs via the long, hard selection process.
- Location
- Canada
That's true but a casus belli could he helping our allies in case they were attacked first.
Lowlands meat grinder is only if you smaller villages there constantly swearing fealty to you thus making you obligated to protect them. But a quick mission here and there isn't so bad for the sole purpose to get war experience against other established kingdoms.
- Location
- Panama City
no freaking clue. From Valleyhome to the Marches was a year's trip if you want to give estimates from that.
- Location
- Australia
Not for us. We don't have to fear constant war. All the walls will do will give us its disadvantage, which is making Enforce Law harder.
[X] Magwyna should marry them personally (Secures alliance with Highlands Kingdom while Magwyna lives, has a small chance of triggering conflict with the nomads)
[X] The People always let in those that come to them (Chance of stability loss, +2 Econ)
- Location
- Panama City
........you really don't have a concept of the scale of war we're talking about do you.
- Location
- Third planet from the star named Sol
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- He/They
[X] Take Attrikwyn's advice (+2 Diplomacy, secures enduring alliance with Highlands Kingdom, ensures no attacks from nomads for at least next turn)
[X] Remind people along trade routes that the People don't suffer the blue plague (-1 Stability, chance of further loss, +4-5 Econ)
We already have a hereditary power structure, it's called political families. This ties all those families, including the Stallion Tribes, together into a cohesive whole. All our chiefs and kings are still going to be elected from amongst the same circle of people as before, and it makes the March's ruling family much more happy with us.
[X] Remind people along trade routes that the People don't suffer the blue plague (-1 Stability, chance of further loss, +4-5 Econ)
We already have a hereditary power structure, it's called political families. This ties all those families, including the Stallion Tribes, together into a cohesive whole. All our chiefs and kings are still going to be elected from amongst the same circle of people as before, and it makes the March's ruling family much more happy with us.
- Location
- Canada
Also Attrikwyn proposals specifically has all the girls marry into all the cheif families thus strengthening our established elite class of rulers even more but stops any one family from being unduly influenced. Either way our system is going to change soon and I would rather have an established class of rulers to choose from rather then a single powerful family.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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- Lickwidget
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- She/Her
HrmmmmmmmmM!!!!!!!
You hath convinced me. #GIVEMAGWYNAAGIRLFRIENDPAGE1275
[X] Magwyna should marry them personally (Secures alliance with Highlands Kingdom while Magwyna lives, has a small chance of triggering conflict with the nomads)
[X] Remind people along trade routes that the People don't suffer the blue plague (-1 Stability, chance of further loss, +4-5 Econ)
Sorry Atti, your advice is really fucking good, but errrrrrggggggghhhhH! Hagh! I feel like I am going to regret this...
Powerofmind
In Madness Fallen
- Location
- United States
[X] Magwyna should marry them personally (Secures alliance with Highlands Kingdom while Magwyna lives, has a small chance of triggering conflict with the nomads)
[X] The People always let in those that come to them (Chance of stability loss, +2 Econ)
It's got a chance now.
[X] The People always let in those that come to them (Chance of stability loss, +2 Econ)
It's got a chance now.
I don't think it would work that way. We would not get aristocratic families with a power source outside the bureaucratic apparatus (no land ownership). The only difference to the current system would be that the top spot would be sealed in the hands of one family. However it's not like they are going to spontaneously develop primogeniture. the current head of the family will still select the one who seems most competent to him from among the current members of the clan and if there's a promising outsider... well there's always marriage or adoption.
It's not ideal... but I do not want to snub the marchers further or we will never get this integration done and their influence at the grassroots level is much more dangerous than fundamentally minor shifts on the rarefied highs of kingship.
It's not so rigid. Myg wasn't mentioned to be a chief daughter, but rose as part of being really really good (She took the Artisan chief route)
Hmm, wonder if we can somewhat modify Atrk suggestion?
Nomad marry to the south. HK marries to the north.
Less influence is they're marrying further.
- Location
- Canada
Considering the war only stays within the lowlands and the HK has never been directly attacked I'm sure we'll be fine. However it's a dead argument and luckily we have an endless hoard of nomads to fight against.
- Location
- Third planet from the star named Sol
- Pronouns
- He/They
Not true. The fact that our political caste wont see each other as direct enemies, and instead as just rivals, is a bonus, and has the potential to cut off the more brutal parts of politics off in the future. After all, you're not going to assassinate your second cousin just because you're both running for the same office, are you? And on the note of of future Magwynas, worst case scenario they can just marry in the political family and boom, they can become a chief and then king.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
1 is completely wrong: it's not "continue marrying" nomads, it's marrying the brides that were sent to M to chiefs in the northern provinces. I.e. a single instance of marriages, which is less likely to result in a mixing of culture.
2 Is kind of right, in that marriages with non-chief-descended individuals will likely decrease, but your Meta PoV's are irrelevant because the first two of them are already occurring as a regular, normal event and the last one doesn't apply because people gain that position through expertise.
w/ that said, I'm not interested in incentivizing intermarriage between chief families and establishing a tanistry system that will make it harder for non-members to rise to the Kingship.
[X] Magwyna should marry them personally (Secures alliance with Highlands Kingdom while Magwyna lives, has a small chance of triggering conflict with the nomads)
[X] Remind people along trade routes that the People don't suffer the blue plague (-1 Stability, chance of further loss, +4-5 Econ)
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BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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- Lickwidget
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- She/Her
Well...
It would bee one powerful family, we are a basically intermarrying to create one big family. Also that interbreeding thing veekie brought up I want to avoid like the plague.
- Location
- Australia
It's only semi-hereditary. Non-family are allowed to become chiefs. If we didn't at least leave the option theoretically open, Magwyna never would've been made chief. Same goes for pretty much all the Heroic leaders we chose.