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The spoilers were mostly an organizational tool to try to coral the beast as it was being written.
I'll remove some of them now.
Thanks for input.
Paths of Civilization
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I'll remove some of them now.
Thanks for input.
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
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@Academia Nut
I was curious, and I don't think it's been asked, but how many square kilometers does our polity govern?
I was curious, and I don't think it's been asked, but how many square kilometers does our polity govern?
Major themes of the Ymaryn:
-Aspects/Contradiction. Crow, Gwy and Goya are key here in simultaneously holding contradicting elements.
-Troublemaking spirits. The spirits don't just bring blessings, they cause trouble even when they are doing good. Look closely at their gifts for Crow could be teaching you or making an example out of you.
-Creation begins with Woman.
-Original Sin begins with Man.
-Everyone is family, no matter where or what nature. From beasts to foreigners.
Black Eagle is a classic solar spirit, contaiminated by trade influence from the Ymaryn. You may recall that the original Eagle Spirit wasn't black, but that the Western Confederacy started making black ceramic masks to sell to the People. The difference between a black eagle mask and a crow mask is basically none.
Their myth embodies patriarchy and wife raiding, though it's unclear if the practice remains modern, since I believe Macra came from OUR myths, as you can see the Dead Priests lack an equivalent, she likely split off the Earth aspect of Holchim.
Holchim and Tosytox you can see the common origins with the Xohyssiri Choxosyn and Tulltox.
Ominous pantheon here, they have a savage/dualistic element. Their spirits are basically the same as the Highland Kingdom, with elements shifted to fit their more bloody culture.
All their gods demand blood. Though I notice they have a god for Earthquakes, so the black stone might well be Basalt from a volcano further south.
And they added the comet as a random troll. Probably partially inspired by us randomly releasing a Nomad horde into the lowlands, blended with the legends of the long ago drought, the Star pox, and pretty much all the shitty things.
Interestingly they see the world, embodied by the primal horse spirit and his children, as something to be tamed and ridden.
Patir Torm is their historical founder who first tamed horses, conflated with their founding Hero who got the improved Sun Chariot and the Thunder Axe.
Gasania is clearly a Spirit Talker carryover. Must be from the survivors and the leftover religious art.
Firlco sounds like it got adapted from past Ymaryn encounters, where our bows and chariots in the early days would look JUST like that.
Incidentally this has worked about never. If your point is not accepted, repeating them only annoys people and entrenches them. Find a new point.
Huh, interesting, so the Nomad marriage connections remain even now. Traders?
Well, nomads. No lack of enemy people demons.
Well yeah. Once people see the skull wall, and the still ongoing sacrifices...well we'll see.
That diplomatic mission is going to be a sight to see.
Considering nearly every historical dam had failed at some point I think we can take the less convenient location. Aquaculture is one huge way of making up for the low fertility of the badlands, as we could cultivate freshwater crops and fish. It'd also provide a good trading post for Eastern Hills.
Would the lower site close off the badlands as a settlement location? Replacing it with the defensibility of "there is a dam upstream and you're in slot canyons"
Oh yes dam cascade failures are SPECTACULAR. A breaking upper dam usually causes all lower dams to fail from the water surge, unless you keep the lower dams permanently half filled to absorb such a surge without breaking(which is an extravagant expense of course)
They'd probably notice the reduced soil fertility over time, but on the other hand weaker floods also means it's easier to permanently improve the land.
Oh huh. Cool. This Law thing is pretty kickass apparently.
Hmm, good catch. That also makes it a very VERY powerful bonus. One extra Main action per turn on a project means we can wipe out projects in rapid succession.
Eh, the Thunder Horse and the Highland Kingdom have the most 'normal' spirits. Skyfather and Earthmother.
The Ymaryn have weird shit because we've cut off trade with most people for a hundred years to brood at home, while the Dead Priests have gone Blood For The Blood Gods.
And half the Dead Priest gods are demonized versions of their neighbors gods, appeased with propiatory sacrifice, then converted again to their own.
Pretty much. The big problem here is you need a writing surface that's not made of rock. So we need paper first.
Too natural!
Theres no timestamp since AN didn't put White Circle in until Stallion Tribes were founded, so I only listed the point they showed up in our records.
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Anyways, one of the things I really want to do after this turn is go on an expansion binge. With Enforce Law and our provincial policies being able to make provinces we can expand like crazy and still be on top of things for the most part. Defense is handled by our fairly robust military with the Stallions keeping an eye on the north, centralization is already pretty high, and getting more provincial actions+baby boom procs can only help us.
Now's the time when we have a) little external threat, b) a secure homefront, c) stab for days and d) so many actions, to start expanding and consolidating. I want to make our provinces much more urban like Valleyhome is.
I'm envisioning something like this;
This turn;
Main: Garden
- Kick
Settle Southshore
Next Turn;
Switch to expansion with Garden Done
Settle black river
Enforce Law
- provinces settle Eastern Hills and/or the badland logistics point.
third turn; ???- profit!
After that we can go all in econ, teching up, and general screwing around- now with more actions, a more robust economy, and far more time on the clock for baby boom potentially.
Now's the time when we have a) little external threat, b) a secure homefront, c) stab for days and d) so many actions, to start expanding and consolidating. I want to make our provinces much more urban like Valleyhome is.
I'm envisioning something like this;
This turn;
Main: Garden
- Kick
Settle Southshore
Next Turn;
Switch to expansion with Garden Done
Settle black river
Enforce Law
- provinces settle Eastern Hills and/or the badland logistics point.
third turn; ???- profit!
After that we can go all in econ, teching up, and general screwing around- now with more actions, a more robust economy, and far more time on the clock for baby boom potentially.
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BungieONI
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INB4 someone has a hissy fit. Might want to throw in some festivals to consolidate our culture.
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These would be all our people already. They'd have much less culture clash/deviation than half our existing provinces already.
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Err...no. The only standing army we have is the March and they are completely occupied with the Northern Nomads. Other than that, we barely have enough to garrison our towns.
I don't really want Enforce Law, which does nothing for communication technology. I prefer New Trails instead.
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While true it certainly can't hurt. Maybe alternating festival and enforce.
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Where do you get this? Our martial was adequate for waging a broad front war against the Nomads on unfavorable terrain back before the Stallions arose.
It's not like we'll get attacked on our other fronts without some kind of notice either.
Like this is serious citations needed- especially since our martial should theoretically scale with our population/economy which has gotten even bigger since then.
AN even said back then, we could take on any of our neighbors in a defensive war, and Stallion will give at the very least martial in such a situation.
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@Academia Nut Oh you insufferable troll.
Insightful x 2Our warriors either are:
1) Escorting caravans or crew sailboats.
2) Training in core province and/or guarding.
3) Auxiliary duties if you're a Carrion Eater or Blackbird.
They also lead militia levy in time of war.
So, yes, we do have a standing army. I am not sure why people think otherwise.
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I'm sort of going with the idea that the Ymaryn spirits retain more pre-agricultural influences and were integrated in with the stories of the people who simultaneously stood out but were beneficial to the People over all. Thus, while sometimes they spin off new spirits, sometimes they just go "You know, they can be complex, have different facets". Crow especially has become something of a Jungian shadow where they store a lot of angst about certain negative but useful behaviours.
*cough* Look at what's to the north of their territory *cough*
Yeah. Doesn't stop them from fighting, but having these ties makes it a lot easier to do more productive things.
Spider-Eyed Crow comes from someone trying to see if they could stack the three different Crow masks together and coming up with a six eyed monstrosity that the People thought would be pretty cool, and when they started to think and talk about how Crow might relate to creation, they wondered if perhaps that was something like what Crow might have been before.
Spider-Eyed Crow should probably look like a late game Bloodborne boss.
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And thus be totally fucking awesome and very mind-rapey in the difficulty.
My hands hurt after that game.
My head cannon now is that Spider Eye Crow is now that Crow Hunter mixed to Vicar Amelia's size and hunched method of movement and posture.
And what he does in his realm is just sit, by the fire in a dark void. Occasionally inviting people to come and sit with him and listen to the tales he has to tell.
Huh, Crow feels really old when I think of him like this. A being that has always been old and will continue to be old and tricky.
Chills.
Omegahugger
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[X] Expand Carrion Eaters (-1 Econ, -1 Mysticism, +1 Martial, many more Carrion Eaters, additional effects)
[X] Xohyssiri
Also, Bytah is the source of all horses and came from the North, so clearly the mythological Thunder Horse is actually Bytah's son Dywhwl who went North and told the clans to come join the People.
[X] Xohyssiri
Yay, they remember her! Now all I can complain about is that they seem to have forgotten my ship, but I am used to that by now...
Also, Bytah is the source of all horses and came from the North, so clearly the mythological Thunder Horse is actually Bytah's son Dywhwl who went North and told the clans to come join the People.
Nope, Stars+Survey was way behind Carrion Eaters, though ahead of Garden.
We'll be able to grab them at the start of the next war if we want. Switch to Offensive policy and we might even get it automatically after Chariots are complete.
Nope, I've seen it work several times when rewording the same point if others ignored it has worked. Note that it must be ignored, not dismissed. If someone wrote counter arguments or even said"yeah but X is more important" then repeating is annoying. But I've seen good points go almost entirely ignored then repeated and clarified and be significant in shaping the discussion.
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Hmm. Probably kinda like one head with three beaks going out from it, one straight down and one off to either side if seen from overhead. The eyes obviously resemble a spider's, all packed in a big cluster. I'd imagine the beak itself when viewed from other angles would probably be something like the seventh mouth down on the far right in this picture, with six different beak outsides all coming together to form a flower-like beak that opens up when Crow talks or wants to eat something. His wings would probably be multifaceted too, to account for his triplicate nature, either just having three sets of wings or a partially fractal wingspan. He'd probably also be pretty giant, and maybe his feet have like 8 toes each so they resemble spiders or something.
Yeah, sounds pretty badass.
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[X] Expand Carrion Eaters (-1 Econ, -1 Mysticism, +1 Martial, many more Carrion Eaters, additional effects)
[X] Xohyssiri
[X] Xohyssiri
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For a hypothetical Bloodborne crow, yeah, being a bonus boss is about right, just have him chilling out by a fire or possibly a void dark pit. Ah, yes, for the gothic feel, have him be a plague doctor who is just sitting around and who will talk about things. Maybe have it so that you can first engage each of his three aspects as somewhat more human scale fights, but then if you beat all of those forms he turns into a house sized crow with clawed wings that can be used for both flight and to propel him with surprising speed on all fours. Combines all of the attributes of the prior versions (teacher takes time for lessons to sink in, so has lots of health; trickster is fast and moves somewhat unpredictably; devourer hits like a truck) to push the player to the absolute limit of skill.
Winning gets you a black orb or something like that might be one of Crow's eyes, and maybe a crow feather jacket or something like that, and after killing him crow will still be chilling out, being all enigmatic over whether you fought him at all.
Our military stat is already dangerously high. More so if we tried to integrate the Stallion Tribes.