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So, how much interaction with other missing ninja have we had? I think we mostly found all the missing ninja we talked to in Iron. Kagome with his village that he stayed near, and then there was the nascent village within Iron where lots of missing ninja banded together from where we recruited Akane. I do not recall off the top of my head any ninja who where not already part of an established group. We should work on finding and recruiting any missing ninja we might find to work toward our common goal of removing the scorch squads. We don't need to have them following us around, but to correspond with us and become part of the spy network that we want to put into place. We have more options than just civilians to draw from in terms of additional help.
 
Doing a bit of wiki editting to put off writing my own fanfic. That's the secret to being lazy. You've just got to have enough productive things to do that even when you're procrastinating you're being productive.

e: Added in headings for each element on the techniques page, as well as the ones that I recall that we have access to.
 
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Doing a bit of wiki editting to put off writing my own fanfic. That's the secret to being lazy. You've just got to have enough productive things to do that even when you're procrastinating you're being productive.

Dunno. If it's a work task that I hate, then I choose that as a project priority.

Then, everything else after I finish the hated task. These tasks are what I like.

However, it isn't necessary the efficient solution, but frequently it is.
 
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Holy crap our sealing tech tree is massive and imposing and would probably be, in itself, cause for any nation to kill us.
 
Holy crap our sealing tech tree is massive and imposing and would probably be, in itself, cause for any nation to kill us.

If every nations have access to the same kind of seals, then there's no point in killing us. There's a reason why I want to get our hands on a printing press, so we can mass produce seals.

However, it would cause ninjas to be concerned about peasants getting a bit uppity.

Unless they get taxes from commercial activities. Ninjas do collect taxes, right?
 
If every nations have access to the same kind of seals, then there's no point in killing us. There's a reason why I want to get our hands on a printing press, so we can mass produce seals.

However, it would cause ninjas to be concerned about peasants getting a bit uppity.

Unless they get taxes from commercial activities. Ninjas do collect taxes, right?
Well, yeah, if everyone had them, but just the existence of a list as massive as this would be, uh, alarming to them.

e: So I gave it some thought, and there are a couple barriers between us and printing-press seals. First, we need vast quantities of chakra ink which is kinda tricky. Second, we need the apparatus itself, and it needs to be precise enough that at least a good portion of the seals are correct. Third, we need a non-manual way to check that the seals are correct. Another checker-seal, made on a per-seal basis would do fine for the kind of seals that need mass-produced.
 
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Omake: Literally TasBOT
Also, watching SGDQ and it occurs to me that Hazou is literally TasBOT.


This is set in the same world and at around the same time as my previous far future omake. Thanks to @OliWhail and @Cariyaga for betaing.

Omake: Literally TasBOT

"I'd like to thank Talkative_Tanuuki and Weldnaut for their wonderful run of Tailed Beast Ball: The Magic Thread." said the announcer. "We'll be starting the Kurosawa block at 3 o'clock. In the meantime feel free to get some refreshments, lounge around a bit, and send in your donations."

Tai took a moment to close her eyes and melt into her seat in the large hall. She enjoyed the speedruns as much as any of the other attendees, but the Kurosawa block was why she had attended every Games Finished Fast for the past four years in person. It was the most dangerous event at GFF but was always so very worth it. Not to mention, the rumour was that this year was going to be something special.

The Kurosawa were almost magical, one of the few bloodlines whose powers still matched the stories of their ancestors. The Hyuuga got to see the flow of pure chakra for a scant few seconds. The Kaguya could shape and alter their bones at the same rate their nails grew. But the Kurosawa could repeat every motion they have ever made perfectly. It never sounded powerful when put like that, but unlike most other bloodlines it worked all the time. It didn't require chakra to use and could help them learn physical tasks at unheard of rates.

It also made the Kurosawa perfect for speedrunning videogames. If they could perform the perfect set of motions once, they could do it over and over again. This was such an unfair advantage that eventually the Kurosawa had to complete in their own segregated brackets, but without that they would dominate the speedrunning community.

Frankly, Tai was glad she didn't have to pit her times against a Kurosawa, but they were still an integral part of the speed-gaming community. So, she was glad the organizers of GFF had decided to give the Kurosawa a block of their own. Over time it had matured into a yearly competition between all the Kurosawa clans to see who could present the best demo and show off their skills for the audience at GFF. That fierce competition usually led to it being one of the most spectacular displays of skill in the week-long event.

Finally, the intercom crackled to life to knock Tai out of her musings. The Kurosawa block was about to start. Two young gamers came out onto the stage. The first showing some sleek muscle and a wicked grin as he playfully twirled an easel in one hand, and the second looking like she was getting tired of her friend's bullshit as she carried a rolled up console and a game cartridge.

"We'd like to welcome Seizo and Akane Koi-Kurosawa for this year's Kurosawa block. They'll be starting off with a run of The Great Frog Sage : Chronicles.", said the announcer as the pair set up.

"Hello everyone and welcome to the Kurosawa block. Before we get started, I'd like to thank everyone for coming out to support Mednin Across Borders. Also, we'll be a bit light on technical details this time around, but some of our experts are recording Sensecasts with full commentary", said Akane as the boot glyphs appeared on the console.

Looking almost bored with the controller in her hand and Seizo behind her, Akane says "As you all have probably guessed, I'm Akane and the git behind me on the couch is my little brother, Seizo. I'll be doing most of the hard work while he sits around snarking at you all. We both run a number of the Great Frog Sage games, but a lot of what we do revolves around breaking the games in progressively more ludicrous ways."

As the game finishes booting, Seizo takes over the commentary "Akane's going to be running The Great Frog Sage : Chronicles. For those of you who don't know this is the second game in the series and the one which first introduced its now iconic mechanics. Joshiro, our hero, can summon frogs that squash enemies, act as platforms, or pull you around the screen. He uses the help of his frog friends to rescue the princess Tsunade from the evil snake demon Osamu"

Tai watches intently as the run continues in this manner, Akane perfectly navigating levels as Seizo talks about the history of the game or the exact tricks being used. Problem is, it's all quite boring. She's already heard this historical commentary on previous runs, and watching a Kurosawa play is unexciting. It's all perfect movements with no risk of failure or the challenge of recovery.

Just as Tai is about to leave for some refreshments the tone of the run changes. Akane moves off the usual speedrun path for Chronicles and takes a detour to what is one of the most difficult levels in videogaming history.

"So, Akane. I've been thinking, I know Chronicles is historically important and all but it's not really my favorite game in the series. Personally I think Great Frog Sage vs. The Six Fold Path is better. It has a cool new villain, the difficulty curve isn't trying to skin players alive, and, most importantly, better graphics."

As he says this, Akane perfectly performs dozens of the tick perfect movements needed to dodge past hundreds of snakes and one weirdly mobile slug.

"Honestly, I don't know why everyone complains about the difficulty curve. Chronicles has always been pretty easy for me", says Akane, to chuckles from the audience.

"Still, I think we should switch games. The audience is probably getting a bit bored of this.", says Seizo before turning to the audience "What do you think? should we switch games?"

Tai thinks the muttering from the audience is inconclusive at best, but the two Kurosawa move on with their demo anyway.

"Fine Seizo, let me set up the new console." says Akane as she starts making weird jittery movements with Joshiro. This goes on for a moment, until suddenly the images on the console flicker and warp.

Seizo takes a moment to explain. "Right now Akane is performing what we call a seal injection attack. The movements she's making exploit a bug in the game's code and let us rewrite contents of the game's scroll. Every time she summons a frog, a portion of the seal is replaced with a new glyph. The exact section of the seal changed as well as the glyph chosen are based on the last two digits of her score, and with enough summons we could rewrite the entire thing.

"But the more technically inclined among you might have noticed a problem here. Chronicles runs on the Ryuta 16, but Six Fold Path ran on the Ryuta Special, a 32 bit console. The console we have here simply cannot run the game we want to play.

"There are ways around this. Instead of converting the scroll for Chronicles into the scroll for Six Fold Path, we're going to turn it into an emulator, a seal that can mimic the function of another seal.

"Yet there are still issues here. Most emulators are limited by the power of the system they're running on. Trying to emulate the Special on the Ryuta 16 would be unplayably slow, and that would be unacceptable at Games finished Fast.

"So we're doing something slightly different, our emulator doesn't try to use the 16 on its own, it also creates a chakra construct. One that can mimic a Ryuta Special at full speed."

Tai blinked. Building a computer out of a chakra construct rendered by other computer has always been theoretically possible, but to do it for something more than a toy example? That had never been done before. And to show it off at a GFF? This was amazing. The Koi-Kurosawa must be breaking new ground to make this even vaguely possible.

Soon, the console's screen flashed black and displayed a loading bar.

"Now, writing the entire emulator by summoning frogs would take far too long. So I've gone ahead and used that technique to create a simple program, that lets me enter data into the system more efficiently. Not to mention this lets Seizo help me input the code for the emulator and the entire seal for Six Fold Path."

On cue, Seizo picks up a second controller and the siblings hands start moving faster than the eye can see. They're pressing buttons and moving joysticks so quickly that Tai can hear a soft buzz as the loading bar ticks ever closer to complete.

Once the pair finish entering the data they need, the console immediately flashes into the boot sequence for the Ryuta Special. But despite this, the glow from behind the console starts getting distracting.

"That's unreasonably bright", Tai mutter to herself as the telltale green shimmer of chakra leakage becomes visible behind the console. Something was off about this, it was at least as bright as the experimental elemental reactor she once saw. That leaked about 10,000 cd of chakra per second, but they never ran it for long and it was apparently important for research purposes. And the demo's leakage was getting brighter!

A minute or two later the console was at least ten times as bright the reactor. Probably somewhere around 100,000 cd of wastage a second. Now, this was at odds with the 10 cd of chakra that an individual could produce in a day, that money would happily power any of the original consoles for a week, or pay for 3 solid meals. Tai did the maths in her head, if this went on for another 20 minutes it would waste more chakra than this GFF had received in donations.

This was insane. It's an amazing technical achievement, but to gaudily waste power like this, at a charity event, when they could just have donated that cash instead. What The Fuck. Tai was furious.

This sort of tasteless bullshit was everything Tai hated about the bloodline clans. She could stomach them most of the time, but even the clans with useless powers stuck together in a way that put everyone else on the back foot. They threw their weight around to make laws that were better for them, and everyone else be damned. They got the best positions in government and business. Bloodline kids got into the best schools, with administrators fighting over them in a way they never fought over baselines.

By the end of the block Tai was fuming. Those smart asses spend more money to put on a good show than most of us would ever see in our lifetimes, and why? For the good of the clan. Hell, this was probably the first step in GFF becoming a walking advertisement for Kurosawa. Even the finale, getting the entire setup to erupt in self-immolating tentacles was an advertisement and a threat: Our seal-hackers are so good we can control the tentacles, and we're confident enough to do it in public.

This sort of thing had been going on for centuries and it had to stop. It was time for a revolution and, if she had to, Tai would lead the way.

[] Write In: What does Tai do now?



Just an FYI, Tai is about 20 and might not be the most reliable narrator about the state of a world of billions, with hundreds of million bloodline holders. Mind, she's not entirely wrong, just ignoring that large groups are made up of individuals with many different motivations.

Also, 1 cd is about equivalent to $1 in purchasing power and 10,000 cd is about the same as 1 of the chakra points that we spend right now. Yes, their money is batteries, because sealing is weird.

The Koi blew millions on this demo and are still spending less actual chakra than Nobby did on our latest fight and getaway.
 
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Well, yeah, if everyone had them, but just the existence of a list as massive as this would be, uh, alarming to them.

e: So I gave it some thought, and there are a couple barriers between us and printing-press seals. First, we need vast quantities of chakra ink which is kinda tricky. Second, we need the apparatus itself, and it needs to be precise enough that at least a good portion of the seals are correct. Third, we need a non-manual way to check that the seals are correct. Another checker-seal, made on a per-seal basis would do fine for the kind of seals that need mass-produced.
IIRC a big part of learning sealing is learning to do the brushwork in just the right way. A seal-stamper would do none of that, but a mechanism to copy the movements of the brush (i.e. a polygraph) could help us increase our output somewhat.
 
IIRC a big part of learning sealing is learning to do the brushwork in just the right way. A seal-stamper would do none of that, but a mechanism to copy the movements of the brush (i.e. a polygraph) could help us increase our output somewhat.
So you're wanting to replicate the Kurosawa bloodline mechanistically? Well, Hazou is well-suited to help with that.
 
I am not sure what madness happened in this thread that now our omakes could become their own viable quests...

...but I like it and want more. :3

This is at least the second in the past week. There have been a bunch more though.



Edit: Also I added some worldbuilding stuff to the end of the omake.

Also, 1 cd is about equivalent to $1 in purchasing power and 10,000 cd is about the same as 1 of the chakra points that we spend right now. Yes, their money is batteries, because sealing is weird.

The Koi blew millions on this demo and are still spending less actual chakra than Nobby did on our latest fight and getaway.

There's actually a whole bunch more detail stocked away on low the seal-based tech of this world works, down to weird details about network stacks and chakra farming.

It's all just an insidious plot to make @eaglejarl want to write MfD as a chakra-punk industrial revolution.
 
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@eaglejarl @Velorien Two questions:

How heritable is ninjaness? i.e. how likely is a kid with one ninja parent to have enough chakra to be a ninja? A kid with two ninja parents?

Secondly, this may have been asked before, but does Hazou have an Iron Nerve recording of his conversation with Mari when she mindwiped him on the hill by the beach?
On rereading, he didn't actually say anything in response to Inoue bearing her soul, so there's nothing to remember.



I am not sure what madness happened in this thread that now our omakes could become their own viable quests...

...but I like it and want more. :3
I would 100% run Hazou Sensei Quest, wherein the players try to train up the miscreant genin from my and @Jello_Raptor's "A Team Leader is You" omake a while back, while simultaneously trying to manage the geopolitics of Hidden Heaven and the NUN, because I would LOVE to write more Emiko/Kai/Tenzin/S-rank!Hazou adventures.

Or the players could pick their favorite gene and be them? Idk. Could be fun either way.

...at least, I would if I wasn't starting grad school right now :(

So you're wanting to replicate the Kurosawa bloodline mechanistically? Well, Hazou is well-suited to help with that.
I mean, it replicates them at the same time as you're making them, but basically yes. This is a project we should put Akane on ASAP. It's fairly doable (they had them at least as far back as the late 1700s/early 1800s) and has immediate benefits if we get it working (double our sealing production or more).
 
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...at least, I would if I wasn't starting grad school right now :(


I mean, it replicates them at the same time as you're making them, but basically yes. This is a project we should put Akane on ASAP. It's fairly doable (they had them at least as far back as the late 1700s/early 1800s) and has immediate benefits if we get it working (double our sealing production or more).
School suuuuucks. But at least you're gonna be doing something awesome with it, right? Looking forward to seeing you be the one to make us all immortal.

On the second note, we could make a seal that replicates the motions we make and use it to make more of itself until we have a thousand inkbrushes working in tandem? :D
 
Would I do that to you?
I want to point out, to the whole thread, that this is Nobby's response when his drugged patient asks if he's gonna tell anyone about the summoning scroll.

Which he promptly does.

So next time a QM asks if they would do that to us... :whistle:

Looking forward to seeing you be the one to make us all immortal.
Workin on it.

They called such a device a 'plotter'.

You want something that looks like that.
For fully autonomous seal creation, yes.

For just copying the movements Hazou makes onto a second sheet of paper purely mechanically, no.

E: also who is "they"? I'm pretty sure motorized drawing tools didn't exist around the start of the 1800s.
 
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Such a plotter need a computer of some kind. Hazo would need to invent all the concepts first.

We probably want to put Akane on the ballooning project, then worry about creating a plotter next.

A plotter will require tools to make the tools to make the tools, especially if we want any kind of precision.
 
Such a plotter need a computer of some kind. Hazo would need to invent all the concepts first.

We probably want to put Akane on the ballooning project, then worry about creating a plotter next.

A plotter will require tools to make the tools to make the tools, especially if we want any kind of precision.
This makes me feel like you didn't read my response.
 
I would 100% run Hazou Sensei Quest, wherein the players try to train up the miscreant genin from my and @Jello_Raptor's "A Team Leader is You" omake a while back, while simultaneously trying to manage the geopolitics of Hidden Heaven and the NUN, because I would LOVE to write more Emiko/Kai/Tenzin/S-rank!Hazou adventures.

Or the players could pick their favorite gene and be them? Idk. Could be fun either way.

...at least, I would if I wasn't starting grad school right now :(

I'd happily help, at least as long as others are willing to beta my writing. I'm not particularly good at it yet, at least compared to our QMs and the thread's more prolific Omakista.

But I'm in grad school too. Just an FYI, this sort of extra expenditure gets a lot easier 1-2 years in. In the meantime, yeah adding writing time commitments isn't a great idea. You'll be doing enough of that already.



Tangentially, I'm having trouble figuring out a plausible way for the economics of my little far-future omake to work. Base notions:
  • Everyone produces about 10 cd of chakra a day, and can easily load it into cards/bills.
  • The money transfers between cards with almost perfect efficiency.
  • The vast majority of chakra engineering tasks get easier as you throw more chakra at the problem. If the people in the omake had access to the amounts of chakra our chars throw around on a whim, they would be able to annihilate us.
  • The severity of failure modes for chakra-tech is largely bounded by the amount of chakra used. (So a 1000cd spell could at most cause as much destruction as a small firework, and a 100,000cd spell could cause as much as a mine)
  • Everyone is trained in the jutsu that lets them store their chakra in a card. They learn it at different rates, but all top out at 10cd.
  • Animals produce incredibly small amounts of chakra, little enough that only specialized algae farms have a hope of being cost effective and not for a while yet.
  • At the time of the two omake 1cd ~= 1usd in purchasing power.
  • Chakra is hard to convert into other forms of energy and back, elemental chakra is ludicrously inefficient under the bounds this society has.
  • There is a basic electrical system, but it's mainly used for lighting and other very simple tasks that would be inefficient to use chakra for.
  • Likewise gas and other fuels for cars. Chakra would be inefficient there too.
  • It's hard for people to make money by shuffling chakra around since it's the currency and effectively backing itself.
As it is, this basically gives everyone $3600 dollars a year to spend. A small version of the universal basic income. And as the population grows, more chakra becomes available but more people are producing it, but more uses for chakra become viable as chakra itself becomes more available.

Not to mention, governments can't regulate the amount of new money in the economy, so you get scarcity if people start spending more chakra than is created, likely causing a deflationary spiral. Bank runs and the like would be profoundly destabilizing, and one of the fundamental goals of government would be to stock chakra in order to provide insurance and counterbalance destabilizing market forces.

Hell, one of the strongest indicators of the stability of a particular polity would be the amount of chakra it has stockpiled.

The economics of this world would be weird and I don't have the background to do it justice. It would shape banking, government policy, and everything else in really novel ways.
 
Governments probably are banks, to a large extent, just for the sake of consolidating chakra reserves and centralizing that influence. Can't afford to have too much of the stuff in private hands, since it's simultaneously currency and military power.

Inflation would be countered by everyone basically burning money every day.

Any clan with unusually large chakra reserves slowly takes over the world.

Communal living is probably more of a thing, since that's a tiny amount of basic income and economies of scale would play out well. This is where part of a clan's advantage comes from - branch houses can specialize and have others to live and work with whom they trust implicitly due to family bonds.

With communal living comes certain default structures - every group home has people specialized into several different fairly common fields, perhaps multiple in the same field but not too many that they start competing for clients.
 
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A couple of thoughts on sealing. First, for Storage scrolls pick the location to store things based on their location in space-time when the storage happens. But retrieval happens at a different space-time point, so the scroll has to remember where the storage happened. Presumably, this is the purpose of the symbol that appears whenever you store something. If we want to be able to retrieve objects stored in one scroll from another scroll, we need to look into decoding and/or copying these symbols.

Second, @eaglejarl, @Velorien. When designing a new seal, did Kagome teach us any techniques used to safely check the seal for mechanical correctness without trying to test functionality? I'm thinking something like putting too little chakra into the seal for it to activate, but enough that we can tell if the chakra all drains out because we've mis-aligned some elements or mixed chakra and non-chakra ink or something along those lines. If not, but if a technique like this could be designed, even if it makes the tested seal unusable, then this seems like a way to munchkin the Kurosawa bloodline, since Hazou could test the seal for mechanical correctness first, then create an exact duplicate of it for functional testing only if it passes the first test, which should give him fewer chances of injury for the same level of skill as other sealers. We could then export the same level of safety to other sealers (Kagome at least) when we invent the polygraph.
 
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