- Location
- Somewhere
[X] I strongly dislike the idea of the grue and do not want it to be in the quest.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rational rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
[X] It's fascinating and I definitely want to read more of it. I care about it more than at least one of the major plotlines.
[X] I'm interested but I'm more invested in the existing plot lines.
Mostly I actually care more about the other thing Noumero mentioned. Namely Hazō exhibiting hivemind-influenced behavior (and all mentions of that either not being grued away from everyone or being grued away for IC reasons related to the Grue's IC nature).
Beyond that, more than interacting with the Grue, I'd like what we've seen about it to still follow some sort of simulationism. I'd like for Kagome to not be a 100% unique and unreplicable. I'd like for the line that Ami said about the Mori having noticed how things fall Out to not be a throwaway line with no anchoring in the world you built. I'd like for the Grue to be a thing beyond purely the heavy hand of the QM.
That said, various real life civilizations used poisons in warfare l. I can dig up sources if you like, though I don't think it would be very productive.
Edit: Oh! I meant the storage seal based food bank, not the Akane seal charity.
In my memory we invested enough money into his construction business for it to get on screen attention. Though I think that was before we had small country money. It was after we started feeding and housing a lot of civilians though.
Still, I can see how it never grew enough to matter to our current situation.
[X] I'm interested but I'm more invested in the existing plot lines.
Mostly I actually care more about the other thing Noumero mentioned. Namely Hazō exhibiting hivemind-influenced behavior (and all mentions of that either not being grued away from everyone or being grued away for IC reasons related to the Grue's IC nature).
Beyond that, more than interacting with the Grue, I'd like what we've seen about it to still follow some sort of simulationism. I'd like for Kagome to not be a 100% unique and unreplicable. I'd like for the line that Ami said about the Mori having noticed how things fall Out to not be a throwaway line with no anchoring in the world you built. I'd like for the Grue to be a thing beyond purely the heavy hand of the QM.
I have no arguments whatsoever to counter ninja magic making people poison resistant. I just enjoined the discussion on the specific topic of poison being avoided as a tool because it doesn't kill fast enough.
That said, various real life civilizations used poisons in warfare l. I can dig up sources if you like, though I don't think it would be very productive.
That would get me back to my argument of Villages on a war footing being okay with enemy ninja dying a slow death that only becomes relevant in the next battle.
You misunderstand. We don't want to use poison. We want our enemies to more often try and poison us. Obviously!
I meant things like renting force field seals to woodworkers and other professionals for cutting stuff.
That needs our (eventual) attention then, because the value of that service is massive. Or did we actively decide to run that as a charity and I just forgot about it.
Edit: Oh! I meant the storage seal based food bank, not the Akane seal charity.
What happened to that minor Leaf Clan we were cooperating with on the matter?
In my memory we invested enough money into his construction business for it to get on screen attention. Though I think that was before we had small country money. It was after we started feeding and housing a lot of civilians though.
Still, I can see how it never grew enough to matter to our current situation.
We bought at least one restaurant on screen. I thought we might have more businesses. Also there was a time (before we were super rich) where we encouraged our civilians to make money for the Clan, even as their food and housing was guaranteed by us. I thought some form of taxation for those that are doing well for themselves existed. To be honest, at some point in the past I wasn't even sure whether Gokētsu Clan members kept their earned money at all without Hazō (or Gaku) at least having a look at it, but latter interludes made it seem like they did. For instance with the guy who learned counting and paid off his debts.
- Location
- The Soviet Republic of Canuckistan
- Pronouns
- He/Him
In terms of civilians, or ninja?
Where do we sit relative to the 'average' clan with respect to both? My expectation would be that we have far fewer ninja than most Council clans and maybe (?) more civilians, even counting 'unofficial' ninja/civilians.
Have we looked for a similar clanless/KEI nin to perform the duties, or do we have sufficient capacity given a drop of interest in seal-based anything?
Additionally, do we have any rough intuition as to what would happen if we asked Kei to make a (statistically grounded) case for Tower support of the Seal Bank? Would she tell us we need more data, or has it been running long enough that she could reach some conclusion?
Noumero
Omit Needless Words
(Joke) Did the QMs distract the playerbase from poisons by dangling the possibility of a metanarrative antimeme threat? They really do know us!
- Pronouns
- She/Her/They/Them
Well, either this is GG (we lost), or this is GG (we won). It was nice playing with you all. By the way, this was large text... where's a tuppenny?
We have a hot chocolate vault???
As we learnt very awkwardly.
So, Thursday Kei. Everyone knows you don't ask questions on Thursdays.
Break a seal from the Leaf Mori, place a seal of finality, same thing. (Note: do not break "the" seal of the Mori, that's something else and you don't want to break that. You really don't. Unless you do. Who am I to tell? I'm just a voice inside your head,
I'm sure the world situation is very stable now, it should be fine!
What. Oh wait. Shadow Clone is dead?
*takes notes* this can be useful in case
Is that her name? That's such a cool name!
But... but the plot armour... that's one of the two holy grails of ninja combat... doesn't she have some?
Of course. :')
Yeah, everyone knows you don't do this on Thursdays.
You know, even accounting for the fact that she is usually remarkably self-aware, this is remarkably self-aware a thing to say.
Sagedamn I love her.
The symbolism being "business as usual"?
Oh wow. We have to win now.
*raises eyebrow* Ryūgamine being Ryūgamine and Ami being Ami, I would have expected him to keep his distance emotionally.
Yeah this is what we'll do no matter what, won't we?
Yay, we get her and she gets us!
Oooooh, that would be fun.
Data used as a plural countable/discrete noun is always great btw. It's like poking someone with a list of cool vocabulary and saying "hey, remember datum? that was a good one wasn't it?"
Oooooh, the Kagome Grue-Bargaining Manoeuvre. She's clever.
Hehehe. Crafty QMs.
It's a trap, let's fall for it!
- Location
- America
[X] It's fascinating and I definitely want to read more of it. I care about it more than at least one of the major plotlines.
[X] I'm interested but I'm more invested in the existing plot lines.
[X] I lean against it but won't be too upset as long as it doesn't drown out the major plotlines
I'm not as interested in the grue itself so much as what the grue obscures. Other people or Hazō himself investigating his own nature as a council and researching ways to combat antimemes is really interesting to me!
On the other hand imo researching the grue itself seems like it won't pay off in a long long time if ever and would be a waste of player, QM, and Goketsu spoons.
So I want the grue to be interactable but not as the goal but rather an obstacle to overcome to get at the interesting stuff it was keeping secret.
[X] I'm interested but I'm more invested in the existing plot lines.
[X] I lean against it but won't be too upset as long as it doesn't drown out the major plotlines
I'm not as interested in the grue itself so much as what the grue obscures. Other people or Hazō himself investigating his own nature as a council and researching ways to combat antimemes is really interesting to me!
On the other hand imo researching the grue itself seems like it won't pay off in a long long time if ever and would be a waste of player, QM, and Goketsu spoons.
So I want the grue to be interactable but not as the goal but rather an obstacle to overcome to get at the interesting stuff it was keeping secret.
- Location
- Book Fort
- Pronouns
- They/Them
I will admit, though, I was looking forward to Hazou meeting Ami's crystal sister ("cognitively independent shadow clone whose existence depends in Prime, but whose personhood exists independent of Prime" doesn't quite roll off the tongue as easily) directly... much in the same way we met Snowflake.
Moar family!!!
- Pronouns
- She/Her/They/Them
[X] I lean against it but won't be too upset as long as it doesn't drown out the major plotlines
The way I modelled the grue was mostly "tool to preserve QM fun as well as patch some Kishimoto worldbuilding holes" - Kagome being immune in a non-actable way might be quite a nice thing to explore, but I'm more interested in (1) QM fun being preserved (2) Kagome as a character and, in-universe, person. The latter can overlap with grue plotline and it'd be perfectly fine for me, but I don't see how the players could really investigate the grue without it ending in one of three ways: A, the grue kills it in the next. B, the grue is interpreted as an additional kaiju, either on the back burner forever or as instant new focus to the quest. C, it resolves to some kind of bathos in a humorous way.
The way I modelled the grue was mostly "tool to preserve QM fun as well as patch some Kishimoto worldbuilding holes" - Kagome being immune in a non-actable way might be quite a nice thing to explore, but I'm more interested in (1) QM fun being preserved (2) Kagome as a character and, in-universe, person. The latter can overlap with grue plotline and it'd be perfectly fine for me, but I don't see how the players could really investigate the grue without it ending in one of three ways: A, the grue kills it in the next. B, the grue is interpreted as an additional kaiju, either on the back burner forever or as instant new focus to the quest. C, it resolves to some kind of bathos in a humorous way.
[x] It's fascinating and I definitely want to read more of it. I care about it more than at least one of the major plotlines.
[x] I'm interested but I'm more invested in the existing plot lines.
[x] I trust the QMs to write what they want to write.
As with several other people, I find it interesting when the Grue comes up, I find the idea of delving further into the Grue for us and/or other characters to be quite interesting, etc. I also can recognize it is a useful QM tool as it is currently to be able to change something and not be questioned or poked at too much.
I also am not at all interested in necessarily weaponizing the grue, by trying to yell grue'd stuff to freeze an opponent or something as was brought up. It is specifically the idea of being able to investigate that seems interesting to me at the moment.
[x] I'm interested but I'm more invested in the existing plot lines.
[x] I trust the QMs to write what they want to write.
As with several other people, I find it interesting when the Grue comes up, I find the idea of delving further into the Grue for us and/or other characters to be quite interesting, etc. I also can recognize it is a useful QM tool as it is currently to be able to change something and not be questioned or poked at too much.
I also am not at all interested in necessarily weaponizing the grue, by trying to yell grue'd stuff to freeze an opponent or something as was brought up. It is specifically the idea of being able to investigate that seems interesting to me at the moment.
Iris-Iven-Ibis
Interested-Idiot-Immortal
- Location
- You know
A book written by Hazou named "Only for the Interested,Idiot and, Immortal" it is made up of chapters which are labeled and the follow a pattern based off the label
♤ Interest- a watcher of the play who someone from roughly around the modern Elemental nation time frame for one reason or another she and their fellow team members were forced to become missing-nin the playwatcher one way or another thanks to the play discovers their genius when it comes to sealcraft their part of the story is all about her and her team trying to survive eventually she eventually becomes one of the most powerful people if not the most powerful thanks to her intelligence
◇ Idiot ~ these parts are about the creation a play and it the Creator of the play where he the leader of the most powerful and respected the play based off a great and terrible book of many secrets the story he eventually becomes the single most powerful person in his era though there is no one willing to stand for him and they all just see him as more of a tail beast than a human especially thanks to his raw power
♡ Immortal ~ their section of the story takes place far into the future where the world is actually ending meanwhile the main character of this section is a wondering civilian who has Amnesia and seemingly doesn't age or can be killed who watches the effects of the play and apocalypse on the people who are still alive as one of the few people who haven't turned to it Eventually after the apocalypse ends they gain the title of them most powerful person thanks to their wisdom
The story ends with the three of them being the last living people on earth planning to write something together
( I apologize for the length @Buggy )
[X] It's fascinating and I definitely want to read more of it. I would prioritize it over all other major plot lines (i.e. necromancy, Dragons, and Great Seal)
[X] It's fascinating and I definitely want to read more of it. I care about it more than at least one of the major plotlines.
[X] I'm interested but I'm more invested in the existing plot lines.
- Location
- Not a Burned Down House
Could probably add something like "protection from Orochimaru"
- Location
- U.S.
Umm, plans get a exp penalty per word over 300. I don't think we should send ourselves back to genin level.
- Location
- Pacific standard
Per hundred words, thankfully
- Location
- Central Standard Time
I feel that this lacks a second axis of nuance, in that I don't have any interest in engaging with it, even if I welcome and encourage its Doylist existence.
[X] I strongly dislike the idea of the grue and do not want it to be in the quest.
[X] I hate the idea of the grue. I will vote against anything involving it, might even skip updates that feature it, and would probably stop playing if it became a common thing.
Ami would definitely notice that.
- Location
- The Void
- Pronouns
- She/Her
This is completely unnecessary since Oro had promised not to hurt us or pry for clan secrets
- Location
- Australia
[X] It's fascinating and I definitely want to read more of it. I care about it more than at least one of the major plotlines.
- Location
- Not a Burned Down House
I was under the impression that the "Grue" was something that was born out of necessity rather than an actual plotline.
As in, the QMs came up with a novel and interesting way to have a real world event (removing stuff from the story) have a plausible in-story explanation.
To want to pursue that, for me, only works if the QMs have already figured out how the in-story elements of the "Grue" are interesting and meaningful.
It seems counter-productive to take something that was patched in, to try to make the story better, and then "punish" the QMs by then making them do a ton of work to make that patchwork a basic fact of the universe with a full backing of Lore and plots to explore.
- Location
- Not a Burned Down House
That was the promise extracted by him from Tsunade, right? Do we think that still applies if Tsunade leaves?
Also, I wouldn't mind having two (2) promises from Orochimaru not to hurt us. I am very scared of him.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
[X] I strongly dislike the idea of the grue and do not want it to be in the quest.
[X] It's fascinating and I definitely want to read more of it. I care about it more than at least one of the major plotlines.
I want the Grue to either become an established IC thing that is interacted with as such, or just written out of the story altogether and replaced with pure authorial fiat. I don't like the current part-interactions where we straddle the lines between a plot device, an in-universe thing and out-of universe authorial fiat.
[X] It's fascinating and I definitely want to read more of it. I care about it more than at least one of the major plotlines.
I want the Grue to either become an established IC thing that is interacted with as such, or just written out of the story altogether and replaced with pure authorial fiat. I don't like the current part-interactions where we straddle the lines between a plot device, an in-universe thing and out-of universe authorial fiat.
- Location
- U.S.
Yeah, I can agree with that. The Grue is in a really weird place at the moment:
- Kagome recently used it to make the Hagoromoto dumb and incompetent, but we're not allowed to poke it.
- We had a strategy meeting where we tried to circumvent it, but then we were told to do nothing with that.
- Ami, a character in-universe is circumventing it and just told us some really interesting things that are doubtless to lead to interesting interactions later... and half of it got Grued away. And we're sitting here wondering if all of it did, and if we can even have some of the anticipated conversations safely.
- Pronouns
- She/Her/They/Them
Kagome's interlude was very unclear and not established as canon, and frankly Ami is Ami, I don't think they challenge the otherwise establishment of the grue. The grue's an in-universe event, Kagome has a special relationship and the Mori might have successfully observed that some things have disappeared. Build seven caches of safe copies for your hidden lore, and then the seven caches disappear in simultaneous, unrelated, incredibly unlikely accidents, you're bound to notice that something happened.