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[X] [Discipline Name] Lithosealing
[X] [Object Name] Rune
[ ] Action Plan: Ghosts of Hazōmas Past
[X] [Object Name] Rune
[ ] Action Plan: Ghosts of Hazōmas Past
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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
I think we can handle a jounin-level opponent fine as long as we support Yuno appropriately. Defend the Log, maneuvers, etc.
Reminder that this would be an OpSec disaster.
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I've made the change to have us attempt to tell the shades that our mission is a rescue one. I am, however, against attempting to subdue the Squirrel-nin; IMO there's no real way to actually subdue them in a way that doesn't also cause them to dissipate, and the effort taken to accomplish this plus the interrogation takes away from our primary goal: Rescue Yuma.
You make a point that Goo Bombs might not be effective given the cramped area and the high risk of friendly fire. I've removed them from the plan.
I already added this when I reposted it this cycle - it was the only thing I recalled thinking that I should add, before I got too lazy to add it.
Seventh Path communications is too long for this sort of work, and Mari and Haru may have already entered the cavern. Sending Panashe is the more plausible option, but Panashe runs the risk of triggering another shade-attack and failing, and that's a waste of Kei's chakra (which we are running low on, by this point).
Asked if everyone's seen the same enemies we have.
Done.
Explosives and Goo Bombs risk sealing off routes of egress, both literally and not. Earth Domes have potential since they are a construct, but the amount of time we'd need for them to be effective slows us down for getting Yuno. IMO it's not worth the time to make the mines meaningful.
IMO direct-combat Summons are extremely vulnerable and any such Summon Kei brings out would have to be defended by the rest of us. I'm not fully certain it would be better to have Kei use her limited arsenal, or even function as a sensor/chakra battery. Long-range/buff Summons, however, I have added.
I've declined to make more Substitution targets since we already have them (Yuno nearly died because she didn't have the time, not because there were no targets).
I am ehhhh about this. Kei is smart enough that she'll recall the Narajutsu, and will respond accordingly; I have faith in her.
As for Mari and Haru...I am unconvinced that it's a good idea. I do not want to risk Yuma getting hit by a wayward shade (or whatever else is down here) and killed; I am convinced that the shades are going to be showing up whether we advance or not; and grouping up with the mission objective and immediately beelining it out of here will be IMO faster than waiting for Mari and then advancing and then leaving.
I remain concerned about detonating explosives, even if they're training tags - we don't know how stable the cavern is and don't want to set off a cave-in.
If it weren't for the fact that its range is measured in yards, I would have suggested to use the Epic Seal of Awesomeness With A Really Awesome Name That You Have To Say All Of Every Time Or It Won't Work And Also I'll Punch You In The Face, This Means You, Hazō, though.
Set Yuno and Noburi on it and hope we won't die? Nothing much else we can do, other than reverse summon and hope Yuno lives, because running the old-fashioned way isn't going to cut it.
Added, though I changed up the way it's written.
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I want to confirm that you, faflec, are basically saying 'I'm not worried about specifying something in a plan: the characters will act sensibly on their own'.
Are you short on words? Do you see an actual drawback to asking?
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Yes, in truth, I do have the concern that Kei is not supposed to be giving indication of what the Narajutsu she has can do, or that Narajutsu can be obtained to adopted ninja. I base this on the previous QM post stating that Kei even telling Hazou about the bare basics of the jutsu she has is pushing things, and that telling others (Noburi, Yuno) about such details would be pushing things too far, even if they are clan/this is a life-or-death situation. Just the explicit question exposes the fact that non-clan can learn Narajutsu, meaning that the techniques aren't a bloodline and can be stolen etc. etc.. I just...don't want to put her in that sort of situation.
Also, I'm not fully convinced the Narajutsu she has are going to actually do anything meaningful, offensively. Most of them are defensive and the enemy doesn't have a shadow (?) so I'm not sure if it would work. Either that or it would work too well.
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- The Soviet Republic of Canuckistan
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"Kei, could Nara jutsu be useful? Don't give me any more information you're not comfortable sharing."
@faflec, I'm seconding this, Kei's bloodline is such that she might not think of this and this isn't particularly pushing OPSEC IMO
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How does this sound as a compromise: Hazou gives a subtle, private, signal to Kei to ask if Narajutsu could be useful here? Kei's already confided to Hazou this stuff so she's not breaking any more OPSEC to Hazou; it's a Kei-Hazou signal so Noburi and Yuno won't get clued in and therefore OPSEC won't be broken with them, and Kei is free to do something with it, or ignore it if it wouldn't help.
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- The Soviet Republic of Canuckistan
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- He/Him
I'll fork your plan. These people are family and anyone with more than three brain cells could figure out that Lady Nara probably knows some Nara jutsu. Asking a minimal question in a place that literally didn't exist a week ago is 100% OPSEC compatible.
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This is fair.
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- Texas
Don't the Nara use misdirection to imply Shadow Element is their bloodline? It kind of gives the game away if Kei uses the jutsu in the open or it becomes known she can use it.
Granted, I could be misremembering. And yeah, these people are family. Just a general statement for other circumstances.
I don't understand how it is even remotely an OPSEC violation to ask Kei if she has Nara jutsu that could be useful. Not all clan jutsu are "leave no survivors" in fact, most of them are not like that.
There's no way to operate as teams in a Hidden Village if you can't let anyone else even see your jutsu. Nobody is asking her to teach us Nara jutsu.
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Explicitly not talking about this situation, but rather that "anyone with more than three brain cells could figure out that Lady Nara probably knows some Nara jutsu". The Nara have put in some effort into making the public think that their Shadow Element is a Bloodline Limit, therefore people won't assume that Kei can learn it. If it comes out that she does know it, then it suddenly becomes obvious that it's not a Bloodline Limit and is instead another human element that the Nara are hoarding.
As for not being able to use the jutsu in teams... it's not an issue for born-Nara, just for those who marry in (who probably don't get to learn Shadow Element).
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I still think you're insufficiently excited by the possibility of sapient ghosts. I might be interested in setting a real-money bet on various ghost-talking related things. (if SV rules and thread norms are agreeable)
But whatever! We'll try talking while we fight, which was my minimum ask!
[X] Action Plan: Ghosts of Hazōmas Past
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I appreciate the thoughtfulness and nuance you put into making and editing this plan. It's impressive, and I certainly couldn't do it so well. Thank you.
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[X] [Discipline Name] Primordial Sealing
[X] [Object Name] Rune
[X] Action Plan: Ghosts of Hazōmas Past
[X] [Object Name] Rune
[X] Action Plan: Ghosts of Hazōmas Past
- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
Personally, I doubt they're really ghosts, in the ways that would matter here. Daizen came back from the dead, and even if he died again later it feels kind of janky to suppose that watching him temporarily die was actually perfectly fine for "bringing back the dead".
Combine that with the way they seem to be pulling from Hazou's history in particular, and how they immediately became violent instead of wandering around in a daze, makes me feel like they're much more likely to just be drawn from Hazou's memory. His memories are of them fighting him, after all, with full intent to kill.
I imagine they don't know anything that Hazou doesn't, and if you managed to sit one down and prod it for information that Hazou doesn't know you'd at best get hallucinatory information like ChatGPT, saying things that would register to Hazou as a reasonable thing for this person to know or believe instead of actual novel information derived from the persistent memory of the soul of the person inhabiting the shade.
Still not impossible, of course, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
I agree with basically all of this.
I think it's quite likely that they are mostly pulling form hazou's mind, or otherwise lack the "backend" of being a person.
I do note that Daizan did demonstrate Jounin-level taijutsu skills that hazou doesn't know.
I also note that they are still seemingly able to make human-level tactical decisions, operate their bodies, ect. Even if they aren't "people", "Nin-GPT" seems like an interesting and potentially exploitable discovery.
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But at its heart, my argument is "even a 10% chance that shades are sapient people is pretty significant, because shade-people would be a big deal. I think the thread is undervaluing this"
My biggest error(that I've noticed!), has been a focus on shade diplomacy ASAP. This is still a rescue mission, and it's plausible that the key shades will still be around later and we can come back.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
Reminder post @eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped
I don't think Earth Domes take a very substantial amount of time to set up at all, actually. All it needs is to be paired to a MARS, drop one where you're standing, and then launch the other, as Kagome indicated. MARS makes it really easy to use, too, just a single supplemental past that; Kei could do so in a single one of her turns.
- Location
- London
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- He/Him/They/Them
[X] [Discipline Name] Walrusing
[X] [Object Name] Walrus
[X] [Object Name] Walrus
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- Somewhere
[X] [Discipline Name] Lithosealing
[X] [Object Name] Rune
[X] [Object Name] Rune
- Location
- Italy
I would like to point out that while we're equipped with Skywalkers or Rocket Boots(Or even just Storage seals to put something above the Goo, like Honoka did with the mud pit) Goo Bombs cannot meaningfully be an obstacle for us, Explosives....i admit they could create damage, even if they are directional explosives, the solution would be using small range(1 meters) Directional explosive angled towards the ceiling, but we can simply use Goo Bombs only.
I didn't mean Substution targets, i meant "create a line of substitution targets towards the exit for fast escape" like we did in the Honey cave(Example, a sub target every 100 meters so you can use Substitution to escape).