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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Adhoc vote count started by _The_Bomb on Aug 28, 2023 at 2:49 PM, finished with 68 posts and 24 votes.
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Noumero said:
I don't believe those are actual binding votes. I think this is basically just a pool @Inferno Vulpix set up, no?
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Kinda sorta. It's a poll I set up after asking the QMs a little while ago if we should have a vote on this topic and getting general assent for the idea.

I also do, admittedly, think that we could change the outcome post-facto, but it would take the form of "Okay, turns out we made a huge mistake and now Hazou wants to call them something dumb, let's have another vote to change Hazou's mind." There's just no reason to make that happen when we can get it right the first time.

Really, the score I wanted to settle was between "Rune" (et al.) and "Lithoseal", because there are solid arguments for both and I want to settle on one before we go public with the technology.
 
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Inferno Vulpix said:
Really, the score I wanted to settle was between "Rune" (et al.) and "Lithoseal", because there are solid arguments for both and I want to settle on one before we go public with the technology.
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Rune is very slightly in the lead right now! But, in all seriousness, I expect that the names are going to bleed into eachother a little. For instance, if the current order wins, the actual skill will still remain as "Primordial Sealing," but narratively everyone will call it "Lithosealing" because that's easier to say (unless they want to emphasize it's primordial nature). Similarly, the objects will be called "Runes" because that's short and sounds fucking awesome, but the discipline itself is called "Lithosealing" so technically they could be called "Lithoseals" if you want to be formal about it.

For once EJ has a chance to have actual nuance in the terms people use to describe sealing, so I doubt he's going to flatten things to a single option that is used in all registrars no matter the context.
 
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tbh my expectation is they're going to wind up called several things anyways

seals are just as often called tags for example

In-universe the discipline has only been referred to as 3D sealing and that terminology will probably keep getting used in addition to any names we attach to it
 
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I do wonder how many usual voters it hits when there's a separate vote that's not referenced in the main update post.

Looks like a good amount of responses, but can be weird to have off-voting-cycle important things like this.
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
Kinda sorta. It's a poll I set up after asking the QMs a little while ago if we should have a vote on this topic and getting general assent for the idea.
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That's important information, thanks.
FaintlySorcerous said:
Reputational damage? Doing something obviously dumb makes us look dumb.
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I don't really see how it's "obviously dumb". It's obviously silly, as in "we're not taking it with the grave solemn seriousness that'd be traditionally expected", with a bit of a power play where we force whoever we tell of the discipline to constantly acknowledge Hazou as its (re-)inventor and memorize its stupidly long name. Which is not the obviously correct move, but I think there's some merit to it.

But that, of course, only works if this is a vote for "what solemn official name do we give this discipline?", not "what name gets hardwired into Hazou's psyche such that he'll then be physically unable to refer to the discipline any other way?".
 
[X] [Discipline Name] Call the 3D Sealing discipline "Epic Sealing Discipline of Awesomeness With A Really Awesome Name That You Have To Say All Of Every Time Or It Won't Work And Also I'll Punch You In The Face, This Means You, Jiraiya" once as a joke, then default to a more sensible response
[X] [Object Name] Call a 3D Seal "Epic Seal of Awesomeness With A Really Awesome Name That You Have To Say All Of Every Time Or It Won't Work And Also I'll Punch You In The Face, This Means You, Jiraiya" once as a joke, then default to a more sensible response
 
[X] [Discipline Name] Call the 3D Sealing discipline "Epic Sealing Discipline of Awesomeness With A Really Awesome Name That You Have To Say All Of Every Time Or It Won't Work And Also I'll Punch You In The Face, This Means You, Jiraiya" once as a joke, then default to the runner-up vote
[X] [Object Name] Call a 3D Seal "Epic Seal of Awesomeness With A Really Awesome Name That You Have To Say All Of Every Time Or It Won't Work And Also I'll Punch You In The Face, This Means You, Jiraiya" once as a joke, then default to the runner-up vote

@faflec, maybe make it "default to the runner-up vote"?
 
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Noumero said:
[X] [Discipline Name] Call the 3D Sealing discipline "Epic Sealing Discipline of Awesomeness With A Really Awesome Name That You Have To Say All Of Every Time Or It Won't Work And Also I'll Punch You In The Face, This Means You, Jiraiya" once as a joke, then default to a more sensible response
[X] [Object Name] Call a 3D Seal "Epic Seal of Awesomeness With A Really Awesome Name That You Have To Say All Of Every Time Or It Won't Work And Also I'll Punch You In The Face, This Means You, Jiraiya" once as a joke, then default to a more sensible response

@faflec, maybe make it "default to the runner-up vote"?
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[X] [Discipline Name] Call the 3D Sealing discipline "Epic Sealing Discipline of Awesomeness With A Really Awesome Name That You Have To Say All Of Every Time Or It Won't Work And Also I'll Punch You In The Face, This Means You, Jiraiya" once as a joke, then default to the runner-up vote
[X] [Object Name] Call a 3D Seal "Epic Seal of Awesomeness With A Really Awesome Name That You Have To Say All Of Every Time Or It Won't Work And Also I'll Punch You In The Face, This Means You, Jiraiya" once as a joke, then default to the runner-up vote
 
[X] [Discipline Name] This Stuff
[X] [Discipline Name] Rock & Roll
[X] [Discipline Name] Lithosealing
[X] [Discipline Name] Primordial Sealing
[X] [Object Name] That Stuff
[X] [Object Name] Glyph
[X] [Object Name] Banger Riffs

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faflec said:
[X] Action Plan: Ghosts of Hazōmas Past
Word Count: ???
  • Hazou's immediate thoughts:
    • We're not splitting the party. There's too much of a chance something will attack either weakened group.
    • We're not abandoning Yuma. That's not what we do.
  • Suggest for Kei to use Electrocution Seals/Goo Bombs. Alternatively, ask if she has learned any other offensive ninjutsu which may be of use.
    • Don't ask/suggest for her to use Nara clan jutsu: there may be a good reason she isn't using them that hasn't been said. Just float the idea of "offensive ninjutsu".
  • Point out that every enemy we've seen have been humans Hazou's seen die.
    • People we haven't seen:
    • Get everyone filled in regarding these threats: appearances, skillsets, etc..
    • Hazou is uncertain if heshould leave/reverse summon:
      • Would him leaving make the shades stop coming, xor would they pick someone else to fixate on?
      • If Hazou continues, would the shades take on the Hyenas he's seen die? The Dragon?
    • Get everyone's thoughts, then proceed.
  • The team keeps going.
    • Approach Yūma carefully, he might be confused or an enemy in disguise.
    • After we get him, equip skywalkers and Tunneling Excavation out.
      • When we get to the surface, call off the rescue mission. Use Earbusters if necessary to get the attention of reinforcements.
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faflec said:
I've read your suggestions (and from the previous voting cycle), and will try to make edits later today.
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This looks great, but I find the lack of "try to talk to the ghosts" galling.

They are acting *intelligent*, and reminiscent of their living selves. How far does that reach?

Talking to the squirrel-folk seems low risk, and could give us valuable necromancy intel. It could also confirm whether or not the shade can be talked out of violence. This is important, because we are on the same side as Joutaru now. It would be really helpful to know if we can talk him down and recruit him instead of risking our lives fighting a Jounin to the death.

It's quite likely this won't work, but that's a terrible reason to not try.
Just add a note "if attacked, fight normally, while shouting that we don't want to fight and want to talk"
Even better would be to also make a note about "try to subdue a genin shade IFF given the opportunity to do so reasonably safety."

These seem like good general procedures when attacked by something possibly sapient that we don't want to fight. I see no reason why this should be an exception.

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I don't perticularly see why we should avoid saying "nara jutsu" to Kei. This could could be cut down if we needed to improve wordcount.

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[X] [Discipline Name] Call the 3D Sealing discipline "Epic Sealing Discipline of Awesomeness With A Really Awesome Name That You Have To Say All Of Every Time Or It Won't Work And Also I'll Punch You In The Face, This Means You, Jiraiya" once as a joke, then default to the runner-up vote
[X] [Object Name] Call a 3D Seal "Epic Seal of Awesomeness With A Really Awesome Name That You Have To Say All Of Every Time Or It Won't Work And Also I'll Punch You In The Face, This Means You, Jiraiya" once as a joke, then default to the runner-up vote
 
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[X] [Discipline Name] Lithosealing
[X] [Object Name] Rune

[X] [Discipline Name] Call the 3D Sealing discipline "Epic Sealing Discipline of Awesomeness With A Really Awesome Name That You Have To Say All Of Every Time Or It Won't Work And Also I'll Punch You In The Face, This Means You, Jiraiya" once as a joke, then default to the runner-up vote
[X] [Object Name] Call a 3D Seal "Epic Seal of Awesomeness With A Really Awesome Name That You Have To Say All Of Every Time Or It Won't Work And Also I'll Punch You In The Face, This Means You, Jiraiya" once as a joke, then default to the runner-up vote
 
Sir Stompy said:
@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped, how long does it take to teach PS? 3-6 weeks instead of months? Less? More? Can Hazou teach it to Kagome without him having ES or a reasonable amount of infusible substrate?
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3-6 weeks sounds about right.

No, you either need him to have ES XX or you need to have a substantial amount of material available.

MadScientist said:
Does researching a papyroseal mean you get a bonus to researching the corresponding lithoseal?
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This got answered earlier. By default, assume that 2D veterancy does not carry over to 3D.

MadScientist said:
How quickly does the size of lithoseals tend to ramp up?
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Hazō doesn't have enough experience making lithoseals to know.

MadScientist said:
Do primordial seals need to be specifically designed to be reusable, or does that come as default?
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It varies by seal. Hazō can already tell that explosives will be one-use by default, with the seal being expended (and possibly destroyed) in the process.

_The_Bomb said:
@eaglejarl you've stated that, as the discoverer of Primordial Sealing, we get to decide what it's called in universe. Setting aside the name of the field and of the instances of the seals for the moment, I'd like to ask you if there are any fundamental units in this new field that might come up occasionally in technobabble.

If so, would we be able to name the unit Ak (or Aks for plural) after our dearly departed Akane?
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Yes, there are. A very common component of primordial seals (runes / sigils / whatever you end up calling them) accepts an inbound chakra flow and then alters its localization along the celestine <=> cthonic spectrum. Aks could be used to measure the amount of alteration.
 
What're we gonna call ourselves? "expert lithosealer?" "Lithosealmaster?" no.

"Primordial Sealmaster" has a great ring to it. That's the stuff of legends right there.

[X] [Discipline Name] Primordial Sealing
[X] [Object Name] Rune
 
Noumero said:
I don't really see how it's "obviously dumb". It's obviously silly, as in "we're not taking it with the grave solemn seriousness that'd be traditionally expected", with a bit of a power play where we force whoever we tell of the discipline to constantly acknowledge Hazou as its (re-)inventor and memorize its stupidly long name. Which is not the obviously correct move, but I think there's some merit to it.
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We're a clan head, so our actions have pretty significant weight.

If we make a power play, people are going to draw a number of conclusions from it: firstly, that we saw an opportunity to exert influence, and second, that it will advance one of our agendas. It's worth noting that making power plays isn't costless. People don't like being bossed around, so if you're going to make a power play instead of achieving your goals in a pro-social manner, whatever you get out of it had better be worth the animosity you accumulate.

And forcing people to do something silly doesn't advance any of our goals. It just gets us the animosity without any actual benefit. If we wanted to name them after Jiraiya or Goketsu or curry favour with someone with the name, that would make sense, but as it stands, if we named them something stupid, the consequences would be:
  • We'd piss off whoever had to use the name from that point onwards, making interactions with them more difficult.
  • We'd give off the impression that we're immature.
  • Anyone with moderate political acumen would realize that we didn't think this all the way through and they'd downgrade their estimation of our political acumen accordingly.
There's not literally zero merit to a stupid name, but there's not literally zero merit to attacking Lord Hagoromo with a dogshit macerator the next time we see him. They're both extremely dumb plans with negative returns on investment. Chucking feces at Ritsuo would at least please Leaf's extreme liberals.
Velorien said:
No, you either need him to have ES XX or you need to have a substantial amount of material available.
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Clarification: let's say that Hazo tried to teach Kagome 3D sealing. Without Earthshaping, how would Kagome form 3D seals? Infusion seems like it might be possible (although at that point you're a sealmaster infusing someone else's blank and why do I feel like Kagome is checking my ears just writing that?) but the creation wouldn't be. I can't imagine that teaching someone how to infuse 2D seals would work if you forbid them from touching a brush and they'd never held one before, which seems approximately analogous?
 
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faflec said:
[X] Action Plan: Ghosts of Hazōmas Past
Word Count: ???
  • Hazou's immediate thoughts:
    • We're not splitting the party. There's too much of a chance something will attack either weakened group.
    • We're not abandoning Yuma. That's not what we do.
  • Suggest for Kei to use Electrocution Seals/Goo Bombs. Alternatively, ask if she has learned any other offensive ninjutsu which may be of use.
    • Don't ask/suggest for her to use Nara clan jutsu: there may be a good reason she isn't using them that hasn't been said. Just float the idea of "offensive ninjutsu".
  • Point out that every enemy we've seen have been humans Hazou's seen die.
    • People we haven't seen:
    • Get everyone filled in regarding these threats: appearances, skillsets, etc..
    • Hazou is uncertain if heshould leave/reverse summon:
      • Would him leaving make the shades stop coming, xor would they pick someone else to fixate on?
      • If Hazou continues, would the shades take on the Hyenas he's seen die? The Dragon?
    • Get everyone's thoughts, then proceed.
  • The team keeps going.
    • Approach Yūma carefully, he might be confused or an enemy in disguise.
    • After we get him, equip skywalkers and Tunneling Excavation out.
      • When we get to the surface, call off the rescue mission. Use Earbusters if necessary to get the attention of reinforcements.
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So, some combat details:

  • If Kei does not think her various other techniques will be helpful, then:
    • Summon Pandojuru to use Defend the Log, when combat starts (it will save chakra amongst the others)
    • Provide support in the form of Earth Domes/Goo Bombs/electrocution seals. These may not work, but it's possible chakra-based barriers will stop them. Focus on Maneuvers to make time or otherwise support Yuno and Noburi.
  • Hazou also focuses on maneuvers, if he thinks Defend the Log will be insufficient to make him effective -- he's the weakest member of team uplift, when it comes to direct combat.
 
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