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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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People are voting already? We have days before the deadline, we should spend it to fine-tune the plan. @MadScientist gives us a good overall outline what to do but it could use more detail in some parts. For example how to initially approach the explosion.
 
@faflec I just wanted to say something because people were voting on not-yet-plans. We do have a track record of being less than optimal in our voting practices. :p

To help the discussion here are the current approach suggestions I could find, with some critique. All of these recommend stealthy approach but in different style.

Rihaku said:
2) If we do want to investigate, the safest means would probably be via Noburi's water clones. The most effective way that is still somewhat safe would probably be Hazou alone going in with Stealth, along lines that Mori and Waka can still cover him, preferably with the longest and thinnest water whip Noburi can manage trailing along underwater relatively near us so that he can grab us and go at the nearest sign of trouble.
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Can Noburi really pull us faster than we can move under our own power? This would help if we get hit/genjutsued

ProperAttorney said:
In order for us to be under genjutsu the caster would need to be targeting us, right? I'm assuming that would require line of sight. So... I would recommend we use dispel, DODGE, circle around to where we heard the explosion, and then dispel again. I think this would be a would idea since if we are under genjustu then we are either being led to a trap or are currently under attack.
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Circling takes time, doing it stealthed takes even more time.

Inf0mercial said:
Scout a bit ahead of our team forward enough we can get close and see whats going on with our 3 point better stealth and they won't give us away but close enough we can run back if spotted ( basically don't have them sit in this spot and not move have them come a little bit forward with us but not too far into range of being spotted), check what is making all the noise stay out of sight and be cautious.
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Places us in the greatest danger.

faflec said:
This is not a plan if you vote for it you are an idiot:
--Dispel while expecting immediate counterattack
--Sprint to the disturbance for most of the distance but stop a short distance out to approach stealthily (~30s)
----Hazou's 6-Stealth and 4-Awareness means he takes point to accurately assess threats. Wakahisa takes the rear so he doesn't un-stealth us
----Discuss plan while approaching to flesh out problems
--Wakahisa summons 2 Water Clones which Henge into Shikigami and Inoue
----Goal here is a flanking maneuver: the clones reveal themselves before we do to draw fire and help assess threats while we ambush from the side/behind
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Shikigami and Inoue might be known factors, better use generic chunin in case the hostiles haven't yet confirmed what group we are. Also with this plan we are trying to move fast, stealthily and plan at the same time. Doing 2 of these at the same time is a stretch and probably incurs penalties, all three sounds impossible.

Twofold said:
With 2 clones we could have Keiko-clone and Nobby-clone as point men, real Keiko and Mori as a second string sneaking 100m behind them and us flanking slightly from the side. If Keiko and Mori get made we can still do our thing, the thing we based the whole original build on, and come from the stealth with a surprise attack.
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This places our teammates in a greater risk than us. And like all clone plans we need to come up with good instructions for the clones that don't bit us in the ass.
 
Twofold said:
People are voting already? We have days before the deadline, we should spend it to fine-tune the plan. @MadScientist gives us a good overall outline what to do but it could use more detail in some parts. For example how to initially approach the explosion.
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I was personally in favor of having tap out some type of friendly signal. We should probably get to a great vantage point to assess the area which the sound came from as well.

I'm personally of mind to flee at full speed if no response is forthcoming or we're able to locate a disturbance we'd be hard-pressed to tackle.

Here are a few ideas for how actually approach.

-Use dispel at regular intervals
-Tap out friendly message in general direction of explosion(Whistles? Drum-like sounds?). Indicate team name, nature of danger.
-Have a team-mate pin-point site of explosion or any disturbance in the general vicinity at a higher vantage point.
-Have another send water clones out as first contact if friendly response is returned.
(We should take into account if friendlies have been compromised too..)

-If no response is given within 1-5 min return to base quickly.
-If disturbance is located visually and seems above the teams ability, flee.
-Sound out danger message to base constantly if fleeing is decided upon.
 
[X] MadScientist

@Twofold Its because most people aren't actually as invested in the quest as others are. There are two camps as far as I can tell: those who are contributing consistently, proposing and making serious contribution to the thread. And then there are those who just glance in to read the story, then vote for whatever's popular ATM.
 
@faflec I don't think the issues quite as black and white as that. For some votes people just don't have much that much to say or someone has already said what they did so they don't feel like restating already discussed bits. I don't feel like checking the whole thread but I'm pretty confident that there's a lot of movement back and forth between the two groups you proposed.

Besides I don't think there's such a thing as "just voting". If nothing else it motivates the QMs by messaging them that there are people interested in the quest. Participating for these things should be as easy as possible, more questers means more fun.
 
Can anyone speak on the team having knowledge of long distance communication? Not sure where it was discussed but I remember someone making a few safety/escape precautions that might have delved into it.
 
Methods of long distance communication within the swamp.

Colored Flares: Easily seen, would be for emergency only.
Whistled Notes: A Sequence of notes or the Pitch of some animal common to the area to covertly transmit messages over some distance.
Yelling Really Loudly: Just human words with hidden message by the word choice.

Medium distance Messaging

Ninja-wire hidden along ground and plant life to move branches of marked trees or clumps of reeds in some form of Morse Code beyond normal line of sight.

Line of Sight

Body signals to transmit information without speaking.
 
Could a basic auditory illusion Genjutsu be adapted to act as a covert means of communicating with allies while also keeping them from being hit with other genjutsu by already being in place over them? I imagine it'd be difficult for even jonin to layer a genjutsu over someone else's without disturbing the initial one.
 
We are working with the lowest common denominator for means of communication. Not all ninja have all the skills that it would take to do something like Genjutsu Communication. Though I could see two friendly Genjutsu users conversing with each other silently while others are talking.
 
Do we even have this stuff? Like IIRC the only thing we would be able to get would be the colored flares and that seems...reallly, realllllly dumb. Like alert the whole FIre Country dumb.
 
Silver719 said:
Could a basic auditory illusion Genjutsu be adapted to act as a covert means of communicating with allies while also keeping them from being hit with other genjutsu by already being in place over them? I imagine it'd be difficult for even jonin to layer a genjutsu over someone else's without disturbing the initial one.
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As a reminder, genjutsu are not cast-and-forget. They are concentration-based, meaning that a ninja cannot do anything else while using a genjutsu.
 
Swamps have things like Whisp-o-wills and small flares could be explained away as such, and as I had stated large flares would be for true emergencies. Such as: Everyone Scatter and Leave the Swamp and Run $color.direction.
 
Velorien said:
As a reminder, genjutsu are not cast-and-forget. They are concentration-based, meaning that a ninja cannot do anything else while using a genjutsu.
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Having a dedicated one at base would definitely be a good way to get a comm network started. If messages can go from base to anywhere, that's half the trouble solved right there.
 
All Genjutsu is Line of Sight. Most Jutsu's seem to be Line of Sight. That is kind of a plot point in the canon story that you need line of sight to effect people.
 
I find it a little unlikely that we could come up with enough if-then statements to cover all our bases, all the potential situations.
 
Swamp gas that lights on fire is the common source of the mythical creature will-o-the-wisp. I am not sure if our character would have this knowledge as there is not a lot of information of the stories told to children in the Land of Mist. I guess this would be a thing that our QMs would have to let us know if we can use or not. @Velorien, @eaglejarl, @AugSphere, @Jackercracks?
 
Hmmaster said:
I find it a little unlikely that we could come up with enough if-then statements to cover all our bases, all the potential situations.
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How does it go? You make plans, and backup plans. Contingencies and variations. You think it through for hours. And then it all falls apart when you make contact with the enemy.

However, even with your plans in ruins, they still helped in giving you a goal, and a vague idea of how to work towards it. Even a tattered plan can contribute small parts towards the larger reality if the situation.

So no, we can't cover every possibility. But we can cover enough possibilities that we still have some idea of how to react when we encounter something unexpected.

The best plan-makers don't use their plans, they use the art of plan-making as their real plan.

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Traiden said:
Swamp gas that lights on fire is the common source of the mythical creature will-o-the-wisp. I am not sure if our character would have this knowledge as there is not a lot of information of the stories told to children in the Land of Mist. I guess this would be a thing that our QMs would have to let us know if we can use or not. @Velorien, @eaglejarl, @AugSphere, @Jackercracks?
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How exactly would you plan on making use of it?
 
Mostly as a way of justifying lighting of small colored flares within the swamp to communicate with our fellow ninja so we can call for support from our base/receive orders while not near our base(such as returning team go investigate that explosion). Not like they would not have heard the explosion and would have already sent someone to investigate on their own. What is the point of having posted scouts near the camp otherwise.
 
I'm gonna vote
[X] MadScientist

If the plan changes or a competing plan comes up, feel free to tag me in case I don't find it on my own. In the meantime, this one seems reasonable.
 
Traiden said:
Mostly as a way of justifying lighting of small colored flares within the swamp to communicate with our fellow ninja so we can call for support from our base/receive orders while not near our base(such as returning team go investigate that explosion). Not like they would not have heard the explosion and would have already sent someone to investigate on their own. What is the point of having posted scouts near the camp otherwise.
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I'm afraid flares aren't a thing in this world of Naruto, and Will-o-wisp are generally too close to the ground to pass as one anyways. You might fool civilians, but ninja would know right out. An explosive tag thrown straight up would probably do the job, although it would also be obviously unnatural, and you've not got any to hand due to their current scarcity within the Swamp. Hurling the glowy-bits of swamp critters in the air might work as an unreliable signalling method, but they also smell and right now they're all being used for lighting.

As a side note the person throwing the note did not throw theirs straight up. As far as you can tell it was close to the ground.
 
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