It's strongly implied that the Isan seals are mostly lock and privacy seals. That would make them relevant to rift seal research if the locking seals can provide barriers to slow/stop Sasori or anyone else from gaining access to the rift in O'Uzu. Kagome, who has went through them, dismissed a particular innovation that would have helped PMYF, so I'm not confident that they'll get the appreciation or insights they deserve if offloaded onto someone else. I think they're worth it.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
- Thread starter eaglejarl
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
What's your objection to this? The loss of FOOM time? We're stagnated right now so it's not so important.
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- Texas
At 3 XP/day, with our .7x stagnancy, each SC prep day costs 3 * .7 * .3 = .63 XP.
I'm willing to lose out on 2-3 XP to find out more about these seals.
I'm willing to lose out on 2-3 XP to find out more about these seals.
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- United States
@eaglejarl are there any big Puppy Games coming up?
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- Yes.
Again, why make Hazou do it when we can make others?
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- Book Fort
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- They/Them
Opsec, I assume?
I'm not comfy handing out these blanks to our junior sealmasters. That's asking for a sealing failure IMO. Let's just keep them churning out seals for the Seal Bank and keep our Tower obligations fufilled.
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- Texas
Because I don't trust other sealmaster as far as I can throw them. Yūdai was taught by Kagome and he still managed to fuck up in a major way.
Besides, every new seal Hazō knows is another source of veterancy, and this plan isn't even to research the seals. It's just to prep them to see what the difficulty is.
Also it will tell us what they do, at least I think(?) so.
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- Texas
One can only hope.
Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
Tough to put it down specifically but its something close to:
"I view this as something that's incredibly unlikely to end up getting addressed and as a result something that adds dead weight to the sealing research section in general and in turn increases the likelihood the whole section won't end up being addressed"
Something like that.
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- Yes.
They're in our clan, though?
Nobody should be making the seals; the goal should be to figure out what they are.
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- USA
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- He/Him
Compare to "book full of words".
Well, unless you need to make a public announcement that is critical for rehabilitating your clan's reputation and you need every point you can get because this time you might not roll crazy lucky...or literally any other important social roll, or combat roll, or any roll in general really.
Jashin will provideWell, unless you need to make a public announcement that is critical for rehabilitating your clan's reputation and you need every point you can get because this time you might not roll crazy lucky...or literally any other important social roll, or combat roll, or any roll in general really.
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- Book Fort
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- They/Them
Easy solution: any time a social or combat roll needs to be made, Mari or Noburi become the Goketsu Clan Head... and then they pawn the title back on Hazou the following day.Well, unless you need to make a public announcement that is critical for rehabilitating your clan's reputation and you need every point you can get because this time you might not roll crazy lucky...or literally any other important social roll, or combat roll, or any roll in general really.
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- United States
What I'm hearing is that Ritsuo's actions now genuinely are interfering with our ability to work on those important S-Rank missions Asuma assigned to us.Well, unless you need to make a public announcement that is critical for rehabilitating your clan's reputation and you need every point you can get because this time you might not roll crazy lucky...or literally any other important social roll, or combat roll, or any roll in general really.
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- Book Fort
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- They/Them
And also in direct defiance of a direct and plainspoken order by the Hokage. An order that the other Clan Heads know that Ritsuo has been frequently defying.
I could see the other clan heads refusing to work with Ritsuo due to this, and the Hagoromo Clan needing to elect a new Clan Head.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
Kind of big doubt here, tbh.
Ahhh I see, I share your sympathies somewhat. However, I do not feel that we should abandon the idea of ever getting something out of these seals.
I don't get it. It hasn't come close so far. We're just handling this stuff while taking a break from sealing. Like let's not lie to ourselves about this, it's annoying but not actually that bad.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
We should probably get Oro's advice on experimenting with Chakra Beasts, tbh...
[X] Action Plan: Cannai! We Need to Cook
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- He/Him
It's okay the QMs have Paper to do the grunt work now so we can just annoy him about it :^)
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- The Soviet Republic of Canuckistan
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- He/Him
Maybe not the right plan for this update, but I want to throw it out there. We'll need to have this talk at some point, and I think this is a good way to go about it.
[X] Action Plan: You Know Who
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[X] Action Plan: You Know Who
Word count: 297
- Optimize with Mari, Kei, Noburi.
- Sit down with Yuno/Noburi.
- Hazo's sorry. Last time, he was off-balance/worried.
- He should've been honest and direct.
- Hazo believes:
- Murdering innocents, individually or en masse, is a horrifying and repulsive concept.
- Even murdering guilty people sometimes feels bad. They had lives, families, and dreams.
- Jashin exists.
- Hazo probably has Jashin's favour.
- He'll use that to advance Uplift.
- If Jashin and Uplift conflict, Hazo will pick Uplift.
- Birth is probably part of Jashinism, but Hazo wants Birth and Life to win, conclusively. He doesn't want balance.
- He needs to stay on Hidan's good side.
- Murdering innocents, individually or en masse, is a horrifying and repulsive concept.
- Let that settle before continuing.
- Hazo's worried about Yuno's belief in Jashin.
- Yuno's kind, loving, considerate. When she casually discusses mass, ritual murder, it confuses him, and scares him a little, because he cares about her a lot.
- Everyone has a life, family, and dreams. Death just causes pain and suffering. Sometimes it's the only option, but murder beyond necessity is just...bad.
- Hazo wants a world where children grow up safe with loving parents, not worried they'll be sacrificed.
- That's why he wants Uplift.
- Hazo remembers being on the outside of everything/everyone.
- It sucked.
- He thought about isolating himself.
- He chose connection instead. He's glad he did.
- Hazo's worried that Yuno could wind up like Hidan: alone. Hidan doesn't have friends, a family, or children to raise. Either they're dead or he doesn't care about them, because of Jashinism.
- Yuno's kind, loving, considerate. When she casually discusses mass, ritual murder, it confuses him, and scares him a little, because he cares about her a lot.
- Hazo isn't asking Yuno to change. Goketsu is a clan of misfits.
- But Hazo worries about what belief in Jashin might do to Yuno.
- She's his sister. He loves her. He wants her to choose life.
- He is asking her what she wants. What does she want to build? What legacy does she want to leave?
- But Hazo worries about what belief in Jashin might do to Yuno.
I agree that we'll need to discuss this with Yuno at some point. Honestly, I feel this will require strong social skills to handle the issue ... skills which I doubt we currently have to an adequate extent.
In general, my response is: it seems to me that this issue cannot be solved with one meeting, even with Mari-level preparations. I could see ourselves trying to deepen our understanding of Yuno's beliefs, and help Yuno understand our own. Then, we can try to reconcile her views with our own (hopefully). All that over different encounters/missions together. Doing that in one sitting screams to me as incredibly difficult, without Mari-level social skills and preparations. As it is, this plan looks to me as if we would be denying what Yuno sees as her forte/worth/passion (murder), perhaps the only way she has to truly express herself. That's a lot to take in the face. I don't want to imagine what it'd do to her.
Were we dishonest previously? Did we lie?
I'm not sure Yuno is able to understand that murder can feel bad. I don't think we understand Yuno very well at all. Honestly, if Hazou could take it, I wish he could try to sit with Yuno and let her expound on what it's like to be Yuno on her murder mission. Alternatively:
[x] interlude: Yuno chases after chakra butterfly and kills lotsa beasts
I mean, as Shikamaru put it, the unplausible odds of Hazou's successes point to something intervening in his favour. I think it's fair to say that Hazou does have Jashin's favour. We don't want to include in our message more uncertainty noise than necessary, unless we are aiming for a specific effect. Are we?
I don't think it is a good idea to mention it scares him. Yuno received this reaction too much in the past, it might trigger a reaction like "so even my family thinks I'm a monster" or a "they don't trust me" of some sort.
It is true that we are afraid of what she could do, and we want to trust her. So, perhaps once we set up a safe space for Yuno to express herself and let her know that we care about her wellbeing, we could try to frame this as a question like "Can we trust you to abide by Birth Jashinism or Uplift?". It's a loaded question, and we'll need a good buildup to it, but in the end I think it's the thing that matters with Yuno. That she isn't another Hidan in the making.
Can Yuno understand that? She was neither loved nor safe in her childhood, and she's kinda in a broken state right now. It could be an amazing argument if Yuno were pregnant, though.
I like the tone a lot. Still, would we actually be okay with accepting Yuno's answer if it were against Uplift?
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- Book Fort
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- They/Them
We've put two different social spec jonin on Yuno's un-brainwashing... I want to give them time to work before we get involved. Let them do their thing, let them work their magic, and then (after a little while) we can ask if there's anything we can do to help. But for now: leave the socials to the professionals, I say.