I feel like this is the third time I've answered this and the first two times were pretty clear, but I'll try again.

This is a legit plan that you may vote for:

[] Spend the entire update on Hazō's 'become a special jōnin in sealing' exam

If there's anything that's still unclear, you're going to have to clarify where the issue is.
Your meaning here is 'FS's plan which is currently winning closes the door on the conversation with Mari and Kei'?

If so, good: that's the intention. I can make it explicit if that would help.
 
That claim was a deliberate and obvious lie by Hazou to deflect where he sourced them, I think it hurts our narrative to do the same thing with the summons when we want them to actually believe in the Dragons.

Pantsa won't literally believe these are byproducts of the Dragon, but they are a result of Hazou's extensive efforts in fighting them. As long as we're open about that part to Pantsa instead of trying to con him, I think we can sell him on the symbolic value, no? We can always ask Kei if he'd be open to the idea.

Hmm, examples? My thinking is there aren't really any missions that can accomplish anything besides getting a massive army and beating the Dragons to a pulp

I'm thinking of using them in more of a support role. Not really confident an army will be effective or that we could wrangle one into existance.

We could use them for observation of the Dragons just so they can confirm we're not bullshitting. We could get a lot of use tunnels systems and underground bases as well. We'd permission from Kumokugo of course, but I think it shouldn't be too much of a problem. There's also other things I'd want.

For instance, a jutsu trade will probably not fly, but helping with some sort of resolve training to try and withstand the psychic influence of the dragons seems like a good consolation prize. Hazou undergoing some kind of training from the Pangolins might molify the hardliners as a bonus as well. If they are open to trading away a resolve or psychic jutsu, all the better.

We could also offer Pantsa custom gems as a potential carrot for the Condors as well to be better integrate them. In exchange, we ask for Ruri getting more access for the opportunity to meet and potentially contract with volunteers.
 
Your meaning here is 'FS's plan which is currently winning closes the door on the conversation with Mari and Kei'?

If so, good: that's the intention. I can make it explicit if that would help.
Guys, just vote whatever the hell you want, okay? If you want to have a conversation, vote a conversation. If you want an interlude, vote an interlude. I don't know how to be clearer about it at this point. If the problem is "can we do an interlude and then have the conversation in the following update" then yes, that's fine. If that's what you've been trying to find out this entire time then that's been hella unclear.
 
Guys, just vote whatever the hell you want, okay? If you want to have a conversation, vote a conversation. If you want an interlude, vote an interlude. I don't know how to be clearer about it at this point. If the problem is "can we do an interlude and then have the conversation in the following update" then yes, that's fine. If that's what you've been trying to find out this entire time then that's been hella unclear.
I think the confusion is about whether this statement:
What do you do? You may vote in a plan for the conversation to continue. Otherwise, it will be assumed that Hazō backed off and nothing further came of it (except for poor Kei).
can be overturned/overridden.
 
Guys, just vote whatever the hell you want, okay? If you want to have a conversation, vote a conversation. If you want an interlude, vote an interlude. I don't know how to be clearer about it at this point. If the problem is "can we do an interlude and then have the conversation in the following update" then yes, that's fine. If that's what you've been trying to find out this entire time then that's been hella unclear.
Thank you.

I have no idea what all the nonsense with the conversation is. My understanding this entire time has been 'if you want to continue the conversation you need to do so now or forever hold your peace'.
 
To be extremely clear: my plan is not an interlude so this doesn't apply to my plan.

My plan now very clearly states we're apologizing to Mari and Kei and Snowflake and ending the conversation. This was always the intention of the plan.
I feel like this is the third time I've answered this and the first two times were pretty clear, but I'll try again.

This is a legit plan that you may vote for:

[] Spend the entire update on Hazō's 'become a special jōnin in sealing' exam

Any sensible variation on that is fine. (EDIT: The existing plans, which I now see exist, are fine.)
@FaintlySorcerous, I have asked explicitly if the sealing exam would work as an interlude and EagleJarl has said, explicitly, that it would and that the existing plans qualify.

I really dislike that you're now changing your plan on the eleventh hour to exclude this. I only voted for it after EJ said this would be an option (and so did @T_of_A) and now there's almost no time for anyone to see you made the change and switch their vote.

Could you please change it back to what it was before? If you don't want to continue the conversation, that's fine, but please argue for that next week instead of writing it in to your plan last minute.
 
Adhoc vote count started by FaintlySorcerous on Jun 3, 2023 at 3:00 PM, finished with 196 posts and 25 votes.

Can this please be over? We can talk to Mari and Kei again later but punting it now just further fragments the timeline.
 
@Unaligned Player @Left-Hand Mutant @ContextBot

EJ has stated that we can do a sealing exam plan and then continue the conversation next update, if we so chose. In response, FS changed his winning plan to explicitly exclude that right before the deadline.

You all voted to continue the conversation, so I would strongly recommend voting for

[X] Action Plan: Exam Day
 
In response, FS changed his winning plan to explicitly exclude that right before the deadline.
I changed it to align with the original intention of the plan based on Vel's statement that if we didn't include anything about it, we would default.

If you want to get upset about last-minute changes, I'm not the one who you should be upset with.
 
Adhoc vote count started by eaglejarl on Jun 3, 2023 at 3:08 PM, finished with 200 posts and 25 votes.

Voting is closed.
 
As my plan laid out, there are quite a number of things we could be doing with the funds that would be pretty darn interesting that we aren't doing... But not very ninja. However, what uplifted our civilization was a bunch of detail minded work, far more than punching (there was punching too).

Interesting is ultimately subjective. Personally, none of that stuff is interesting, neither is any of the moneyquest part of mfd. And uh...punching is always needed to uplift civilization, especially when there's dangerous fauna and flora around. Money can't stop those.
 
Does anyone know if Waterfall, or any of the clans in Iron and Rice, is allied to Rock (or Cloud)?
Fire has lost land in the north and west to a combination of Grass, Rock, and Waterfall (though Rock did essentially all the fighting in exchange for Grass and Waterfall staying out of the way). Additionally, the attackers did not go to a border when they broke trail, but rather broke it a small but noteworthy distance away.
 
Well, if Waterfall is still allied to Rock and plausibly would allow Rock to station forces inside their borders, that would clear things up.
 
Interesting is ultimately subjective. Personally, none of that stuff is interesting, neither is any of the moneyquest part of mfd. And uh...punching is always needed to uplift civilization, especially when there's dangerous fauna and flora around. Money can't stop those.
Eh, I can see various money things being interesting. Like the update where Mari convinced Asuma to lower the tax rate, or when we set into motion the roads initiative. I can't remember what ideas charlesrwest had in their plan, but I could imagine some of them being similarly interesting.

My main sticking point is that acting on such ideas should include the implementation alongside the brainstorming. If we have a cool new project to throw money at, and it's something genuinely novel that won't happen without our insight, then we should go right ahead and do it. The meeting goes in the background so we can get the sanity check and gathering of manpower out of the way, and the 'actually doing the thing' takes center stage.

There are times when we need the meeting to happen on-screen because we can't proceed without hearing, in detail, what the results of the meeting are. In many cases, economic ideas will not fall into that category. The only real outcomes I can see for economic ideas are "That's a great idea, let's start immediately", "that's a horrible idea, let's not do it at all", and "that's a flawed but workable idea, I will take that insight and polish it up myself and start immediately". None of these situations require a planning cycle between meeting and implementation, so there's never a need to have a plan about only the meeting.

I can't recall if the ideas charlesrwest are proposing are good or not. If they are good, I'm open to acting on them. But I can only see myself wanting to act on them, following through from planning to execution within the same update. I simply can't think of any case where I'd want a voting cycle between the two, because our response would just boil down to "go ahead, as you recommend" or "okay, let's not then, as you recommend". It incurs a particularly unpleasant cost for no benefit whatsoever.
 
Does anyone know if Waterfall, or any of the clans in Iron and Rice, is allied to Rock (or Cloud)?
Waterfall was being courted by Cloud during WW4, but I don't think Iron or rice are allied with rock or cloud. They're not allied with Leaf either though. Iron doesn't really have a village and Rice in particular doesn't really seem to like any village
 
Does Iron even have "Clans" per se? My understanding is that Iron has been missing nin friendly no man's land ever since an alliance of nations wiped out the local samurai tradition. And that a few years ago an attempted revival of it got wiped off the map again, some collateral damage included. But that there's nothing akin to a stable ninja led government in the area, nor has there been one for a long long time.
 
I was assuming there was something preventing one of the neighboring states from annexing Iron, but there might not be anything preventing them from stationing ninja there...
 
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