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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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[X] Action plan: a less scary but still cool plan
[X] Action Plan: Please someone adopt this


We should apologize to Snowflake, right? Don't think that convo with Shard counts.
 
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FaintlySorcerous said:
If you can elaborate I'd be interested. What are you worried the outcome of the conversation would be compared to taking a harder/more dictatorial approach?

IMO if we're communicating the same things, given Vel's clarification that Kei intended that as a 'hey, sanity-check this Hazo' statement I think that taking the approach of batting the idea around is pretty reasonable
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One of the big differences is that even with Velorien's explanation of Kei's intent I read it as a breach of trust. To suggest that she should be able to make decisions over our projects if we don't convince her is stripping away our agency. Something that she claims is so important to her.

That means that I don't want the tone to be brainstorming not dictating. This is our project and I think that's an important point to get across. I also won't to explicitly have veto rights over Ami's large moves

I have updated it to be a little bit more in line with your suggestions so you should take a look and see if that works for you
Oneiros said:
Kei:
  • Optimize and sanity check with Mari
  • Kei may trust Ami absolutely, but you don't. If Ami's informed, it wouldn't only let her optimize our plans to mutual benefit; it'd let her improve the outcome according to her preferences at our preferences' expense.
  • Your uncertainty over Ami's preferences, combined with her sheer power to optimize for them, is enough that, by default, you would not inform her — perhaps until much later. If Kei informs her unilaterally or without your permission, you'd consider that a breach of trust.
  • However, you agree there's mutual benefits to be gained. Thus, a preferred condition:
  • Ami commits to only use information shared in a way which doesn't disadvantage you compared to the counterfactual world where she wasn't involved.
  • This condition is waived once uninformed!Ami would've learned of the project "naturally", e.g., when we go public with Jiraiya's resurrection.
  • Ami additionally commits to not artificially advance the waiving of this condition, e.g. suggesting strategies which would, as unnecessary side effects, make the project visible to uninformed!Ami.
    • For minor matters, Ami's free to use her model of you. For bigger moves, she gives you an opportunity to veto.
  • You're concerned that Ami might break a promise to you given sufficient incentives. But she'd never break a promise to Kei, if the promise was important to Kei. Are these things important to Kei? Would she ask for that promise?
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@Shrooms would you consider implementing the changes I suggested?

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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

@Oneiros and @Shrooms I went through the Shrooms' plan and made some tweaks which IMO streamline things while also asking Kei if she'd be able to get a decent promise out of Ami. It also includes the shortest possible Akane section, because honestly I'm comfortable leaving that situation almost...
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I think that the plan as written has the potential to (rightfully) upset Kei and I'd like to avoid that.
 
[X] Action Pla: Splinter Plan
Works: idk
  • Maintain OPSEC/INFOSEC throughout.
  • Kei:
    • Tone: brainstorming, not dictating.
    • Kei trusts Ami absolutely; you don't. If Ami's informed, she could engineer outcomes according to her preferences at the expense of yours.
    • You suspect your preferences and Ami's diverge somewhat. This in conjunction with Ami's abilities means you're disinclined to inform her.
    • However, Ami obviously brings a lot to the table.
    • You propose:
      • Ami commits to only use information shared in a way which doesn't disadvantage you compared to the counterfactual world where she wasn't involved.
      • This condition is waived once uninformed!Ami would've learned of the project "naturally", e.g., when we go public with Jiraiya's resurrection.
      • Ami additionally commits to not artificially advance the waiving of this condition, e.g. suggesting strategies which would, as unnecessary side effects, make the project visible to uninformed!Ami.
      • If Ami's involved, you'd also want her to commit to discussing any big necromancy-related moves she might make with you. (Is this necessary to specify? Or just Hazo projecting his failure modes?)
      • You're concerned that Ami might break a promise to you given sufficient incentives. But she'd never break a promise to Kei, if the promise was important to Kei. Are these things important to Kei? Would she ask for that promise?
  • Akane:
    • Snowflake said to talk to you. What's up?
  • Arachnid
    • Sanity check with Kagome/Mari/Kei
    • Skip to a Snake arriving in Arachnid so Orochimaru can investigate the Great Seal, as previously agreed.
    • The Aburame agreed to apply their glass/optics expertise to produce a telescope a few months ago after receiving R&D payment from Hazou. If necessary, Declare they finished a prototype for Kagome's use.
    • Investigate the Great Seal with your Uncles without getting eaten.
  • Other (Offscreen)
    • Sealing
      • Complete research on the next Minato seal.
    • Visit Mareo
 
[X] Action Pla: Splinter Plan

Re-voting to pick up @Halberdier voting for me hopefully?

[X] Interlude: The New Genin Teams
[X] I Like Your Funny Words, Snake Man
 
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[X] I Like Your Funny Words, Snake Man

I like interacting with uncle Snekman, those updates are always fun.

Also Ami is not at all trustworthy.

And honestly in some ways Kei herself is also quite untrustworthy due to her blind unconditional trust of Ami.
 
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