I don't think Asuma will consider the Squirrel Scroll mission to be a sufficiently strong enough cause.
Considering how potent summon scrolls are for Leaf to have, I don't know that I agree with your reasoning.


Moreover, I have been under the impression that Asuma wants an answer soon (ie within a week or two), and the Squirrel Scroll mission isn't going to be that fast.
He can get an answer now, that doesn't mean they need to start teaching within a month. That's a relatively small amount of teaching compared to the huge windfall of Leaf gaining another Scroll.

Also, I think that if your concerns are true Mari would say so.
 
[X] Can We Please Finish Neck Before Getting Tied Down With Adorable Apprentices
Word Count: 225

  • Optimize with Mari.
  • Asuma (Offscreenable)
    • With AMITY stable, get Noburi permission to leave Leaf.
  • Toad Sages
    • Do they remember who the Polemarch before Pantsaa was?
  • Mari, Yuno, Akane, Noburi
    • Tracking the Squirrel Clan directly had us going in circles. To find the Squirrel Scroll, they will need information from locals and Mari is the best person for the job.
    • Hazou will keep in touch from Leaf via Noburi, and provide any equipment/seals they need.
    • Aim for no additional casualties if possible, but protect yourselves. It's very drizzly/misty in Neck, VD should help keep things nonlethal, as does genjutsu.
    • We found enemies of the Squirrel Clan, 'People of the Lake.' Mari may be able to persuade them to give intel on their foes.
    • Take any input from team such as if they want additional team members. If anyone doesn't want to go, send one of the new Chuunin adoptees instead.
      • Beforehand, ask Kei if she thinks she should attend again, then ask the Neck team the same.
  • Sealing
    • Finish Chakdar 2.0, then continue researching Minato's Seals.
  • Misc (Offscreen)
    • Ask Kei/Mari if KEI is actually low on tickets or if Hazou is being snubbed for some reason.
Updated "mass genjutsu" to just "genjutsu"
 
@Shrooms I'd like to be a bit more specific in what we're asking about the Bosses (we don't have to be as explicit as 'how do you kill a Boss' but I think it'd be an idea to include some OOC direction as to what we're looking for.

I'd also like to be more clear that we're asking Akane if she's willing to go beforehand. No need to make her sit through a planning meeting or volunteer that she doesn't want to go. Genuine consultation is what I'd like to see.

If you can hit those points (suggestions below) I'll be happy to vote for it.

I'd also like to get an offscreen temperature check from everyone re: genin teams, but I think we might just need some QM clarification on that one.
  • Optimize with Mari.
  • Asuma (Offscreenable)
    • With AMITY stable, get Noburi permission to leave Leaf.
  • Toad Sages
    • Do they remember who the Polemarch before Pantsaa was?
    • How does succession work with Bosses?
  • Mari, Yuno, Akane, Noburi
    • Ask Akane if she's okay with going to Neck again.
      • Ask Kei if she wants in, too. Be clear Mari is going.
    • Tracking the Squirrel Clan directly had us going in circles. To find the Squirrel Scroll, they will need information from locals and Mari is the best person for the job.
    • Hazou will keep in touch from Leaf via Noburi, and provide any equipment/seals they need.
    • Aim for no additional casualties if possible, but protect yourselves. It's very drizzly/misty in Neck, VD should help keep things nonlethal, as does genjutsu.
    • We found enemies of the Squirrel Clan, 'People of the Lake.' Mari may be able to persuade them to give intel on their foes.
    • Take any input from team such as if they want additional team members. Suggest the new chuunin as backup or replacements for Akane.
  • Sealing
    • Finish Chakdar 2.0, then continue researching Minato's Seals.
  • Misc (Offscreen)
    • Ask Kei/Mari if KEI is actually low on tickets or if Hazou is being snubbed for some reason.
 
If we're sending our family on field missions. We should finish Chakdar 2.0 and give it to them first. I feel very strongly about this. It's almost done, it's a huge boost with the way we fight
@Shrooms please consider changing the sealing to chakdar 2.0 and sending the team off after it finishes. We can almost certainly invoke one or twice to help finish it off in a single cycle. Although I haven't double checked Hazou's FP.
Note: this was your most recent progress update on chakdar.
  • Hazō (Calligraphy): 29 + 3 (IN) + 12 (6 days prep) - 6 = 38
    • Hazō spends a FP to reroll!
  • Hazō (Calligraphy): 29 + 3 (IN) + 12 (6 days prep) + 0 = 44
  • Hazō (Sealing): 29 + 22 (SSA) + 12 (6 days prep) + 6 (invoke "Promising Sealing Student") + 6 (invoke "Kagome-certified Research Facility") - 6 = 69
    • Hazō spends a FP to reroll!
  • Hazō (Sealing): 29 + 22 (SSA) + 12 (6 days prep) + 6 (invoke "Promising Sealing Student") + 6 (invoke "Kagome-certified Research Facility") - 6 = 69
    • Hazō spends a FP to reroll!
  • Hazō (Sealing): 29 + 22 (SSA) + 12 (6 days prep) + 6 (invoke "Promising Sealing Student") + 6 (invoke "Kagome-certified Research Facility") + 6 = 81
Hazō is running headfirst into the chakra diffusion problem. Turns out, all those other sealmasters weren't idiots and chakra diffusion is actually really hard. Progress is slow but he has an advantage starting from the base chakdar. He thinks he's maybe a third of the way through.
On his second cycle on this project, this was Hazō's progress estimate with a double invoke and decent dice. Hazō is currently at 2 FP. He does not think it is likely he finishes chakdar in a single cycle. Do not take this for discouragement for working on chakdar, just a note that it is far from completion. The seal that Hazō thinks may be close to completion is the first chain seal:
Hazō has made substantial progress on the first seal in the Minato chain! He thinks he's well over halfway done, and thinks he could finish in two more cycles, maybe even one if he's lucky.
And even that won't necessarily be one cycle.

Moreover, I have been under the impression that Asuma wants an answer soon (ie within a week or two),
Tell me what you decide within the week though, so I can get the Tower to assign you strong teams if you accept.
Hazō's impression is that Akane/Noburi's answers are needed soon. The most recent crop of Academy students graduated in the last week/two weeks, and it seems unlikely Asuma will procrastinate on team sorting.

I'd also like to get an offscreen temperature check from everyone re: genin teams, but I think we might just need some QM clarification on that one.
If your question would be known to Hazō in-character, or could be resolved very easily (by checking his notes/past documents, by asking someone in the clan [like Mari or Noburi, not like Kei or Asuma]), you should absolutely feel free to ping QMs about it and we will answer you ASAP. Getting additional in-character information (along with plan-review to make sure QMs understand a plan's intent) is one of the most important tools you have in making good plans.
 
Hazō's impression is that Akane/Noburi's answers are needed soon. The most recent crop of Academy students graduated in the last week/two weeks, and it seems unlikely Asuma will procrastinate on team sorting.
Can I just ask now if Mari thinks it will be a problem to finish this Neck mission? Would it be better if Akane and Noburi stayed and she still goes?
 
Adhoc vote count started by Paperclipped on Nov 22, 2022 at 8:23 PM, finished with 298 posts and 33 votes.


Current vote tally.

VOTE EXTENSION

On account of the last-minute announcement switching which QM would write, I'm extending voting by 10 hours (till 10pm UK time) for the sake of planmaking.
 
@Shrooms I'd like to be a bit more specific in what we're asking about the Bosses (we don't have to be as explicit as 'how do you kill a Boss' but I think it'd be an idea to include some OOC direction as to what we're looking for.

I'd also like to be more clear that we're asking Akane if she's willing to go beforehand. No need to make her sit through a planning meeting or volunteer that she doesn't want to go. Genuine consultation is what I'd like to see.

If you can hit those points (suggestions below) I'll be happy to vote for it.

I'd also like to get an offscreen temperature check from everyone re: genin teams, but I think we might just need some QM clarification on that one.
[X] Can We Please Finish Neck Before Getting Tied Down With Adorable Apprentices
Word Count: 206


  • Optimize with Mari.
  • Asuma (Offscreenable)
    • With AMITY stable, get Noburi permission to leave Leaf.
  • Toad Sages
    • Do they remember who the Polemarch before Pantsaa was?
    • How does Boss succession work?
  • Mari, Yuno, Akane, Noburi
    • Ask Akane if she's okay with going to Neck again.
      • Ask Kei if she wants in, too. Be clear Mari is going.
    • Tracking the Squirrel Clan directly had us going in circles. To find the Squirrel Scroll, they will need information from locals and Mari is the best person for the job.
    • Hazou will keep in touch from Leaf via Noburi, and provide any equipment/seals they need.
    • Aim for no additional casualties if possible, but protect yourselves. It's very drizzly/misty in Neck, VD should help keep things nonlethal, as does genjutsu.
    • We found enemies of the Squirrel Clan, 'People of the Lake.' Mari may be able to persuade them to give intel on their foes.
    • Take any input from team such as if they want additional team members. Suggest the new chuunin as backup or replacements for Akane.
  • Sealing
    • Finish Chakdar 2.0, then continue researching Minato's Seals.
  • Misc (Offscreen)
    • Ask Kei/Mari if KEI is actually low on tickets or if Hazou is being snubbed for some reason.
 
[X] Can We Please Finish Neck Before Getting Tied Down With Adorable Apprentices
Word Count: 206


  • Optimize with Mari.
  • Asuma (Offscreenable)
    • With AMITY stable, get Noburi permission to leave Leaf.
  • Toad Sages
    • Do they remember who the Polemarch before Pantsaa was?
    • How does Boss succession work?
  • Mari, Yuno, Akane, Noburi
    • Ask Akane if she's okay with going to Neck again.
      • Ask Kei if she wants in, too. Be clear Mari is going.
    • Tracking the Squirrel Clan directly had us going in circles. To find the Squirrel Scroll, they will need information from locals and Mari is the best person for the job.
    • Hazou will keep in touch from Leaf via Noburi, and provide any equipment/seals they need.
    • Aim for no additional casualties if possible, but protect yourselves. It's very drizzly/misty in Neck, VD should help keep things nonlethal, as does genjutsu.
    • We found enemies of the Squirrel Clan, 'People of the Lake.' Mari may be able to persuade them to give intel on their foes.
    • Take any input from team such as if they want additional team members. Suggest the new chuunin as backup or replacements for Akane.
  • Sealing
    • Finish Chakdar 2.0, then continue researching Minato's Seals.
  • Misc (Offscreen)
    • Ask Kei/Mari if KEI is actually low on tickets or if Hazou is being snubbed for some reason.
To be clear, are you actually dispatching the team if all the boxes get checked?
 
If your question would be known to Hazō in-character, or could be resolved very easily (by checking his notes/past documents, by asking someone in the clan [like Mari or Noburi, not like Kei or Asuma]), you should absolutely feel free to ping QMs about it and we will answer you ASAP.
Hush, they don't know they've adopted the Hokage yet.

Can I just ask now if Mari thinks it will be a problem to finish this Neck mission? Would it be better if Akane and Noburi stayed and she still goes?
Mari hasn't paid attention to how these things are done in Leaf, but if it's anything like Mist, new genin would be assigned to teams very shortly after graduating. While some potential senseis would be on mission when this happened, they 1) wouldn't be on mission for more than a month before meeting their students, and 2) would likely get the bottom-of-the-barrel genin as a result. She thinks it's very unlikely that Asuma would be fine with them taking the mission, and she thinks he would be incredibly displeased if it ended up taking them two months again, especially since the two jounin are almost certainly getting top-notch candidates.

She notes that senior ninja that take a team cannot be kept out of the field forever without crippling the village. Also, Asuma knows that some missions are clan secret or just aren't suitable for genin tagalongs. Taking students will not permanently destroy Mari/Akane/Yuno/Noburi's ability to do independent missions, it will just reduce the frequency at which they're allowed to do so. She has no frame of reference so her guess could be completely off, but she thinks they may be free to take independent missions again after a few months (2-8???).
 
Shortened the Asuma section, since it'll likely be offscreened.

Tempted to remove it entirely, since if Noburi accepts a genin team, he'll be (practically) guaranteed to go on missions again.

[x] Action Plan: Student, Brother, and Sealing
Word count: tbd
  • Mari Sanity Check and Optimization
  • Harumitsu
    • Normal lessons/training
    • Subtly inquire about life in the Hagoromo
      • Does he have friends?
      • What does he do for fun?
      • (Internally) Is he well looked after?
    • Try to make introductions to other Goketsu - Akane, Noburi, Mari, Kagome's sealing students
      • Noburi's sisters, with Noburi's sign off?
      • Goal: we're not trying to pawn him off on other people, but to help him build positive social connections with Goketsu at large
    • Ask about the heating seal - be encouraging, positive.
  • Asuma
    • Tone: respectful, advocating for our clansman. Straightforward, receptive to a 'no'.
    • We were wondering when Noburi would be available for missions outside the village.
    • It's been a few months. We were wondering if there was a clearer Asuma's call, but Noburi wants to be out in the world. We agree with him.
  • Misc
    • Continue working on Minato's First Seal
    • If Noburi is authorized to leave, have him begin escorting Toad Ambassador to Dog
    • Visit Mareo
 
If we vote to be good little child soldiers right now, we have to you that good will to start doing whatever the heck we want soon
 
[X] Can We Please Finish Neck Before Getting Tied Down With Adorable Apprentices

I call upon our beloved and respected QMs to answer the following questions with respect to genin teams:
  • Is anyone a hard no for genin teams? Is anyone a hard yes?
  • If anyone is on the fence, why?
  • Does anyone want us to just decide for them?
@eaglejarl, @Velorien, @Paperclipped

Is this plan exciting? No. Does it contain a bunch of fiddly bits that aren't individual scenes that might be a little QM intensive? Yes. Is it a plan that gets us some useful information, has a scene Paper said he wouldn't hate, and hopefully helps us make a call on genin teams? Also yes.

[X] Action Plan: They're This Much Trouble Already?
Word count: <300
  • Misc.:
    • Ask Kei/Mari if we're being blown off (physical adoption ticket production issues).
    • Have Noburi sniff around the Toads for information about the previous Polemarch/their downfall.
    • Finish Chakdar 2.0, then continue researching Minato's Seals.
    • Get permission for Noburi to leave the village/clarify when he could leave if he didn't take a genin team.
      • Not saying he won't take a team, just getting the facts.
      • Have him start escorting a Toad to Dog when possible. Offer whatever support makes sense.
    • Follow up on Kangaroos.
    • Visit Mareo.
  • Genin teams:
    • Talk with Mari/Yuno/Akane/Noburi about genin teams.
      • Discuss benefits/drawbacks.
      • Does anyone know they want to/don't? Is anyone on the fence? Why?
      • Does anyone want us to decide for them?
    • Hazo would...
      • ...like to deploy Mari and Noburi to Neck (Squirrel scroll).
        • Ideally, soon.
        • They're good socially, and can perform bulk nonlethal takedowns.
        • Clan chuunin available for firepower.
        • Are they on board? Won't deploy them if not.
      • ...Goketsu to be represented in team leads and to get more than dregs.
      • ...like to enable and support everyone's decisions. He's not ordering anyone to accept or decline.
  • Harumitsu
    • Normal lessons/training.
    • Subtly inquire about life in the Hagoromo.
      • Does he have friends?
      • What does he do for fun?
      • (Internally) Is he well looked after?
    • Make introductions to other Goketsu - Akane, Noburi, Mari, Atomu, Reo, Kagome's sealing students, Honoka, estate nin, civilians - the whole gang.
      • Not all at once! (Unless hilarious.)
      • Goal: expand his social circle, build connections with Goketsu at large, without giving the (false) impression we're pawning him off on other people. Also potentially encourage reciprocity - you'd like to meet his parents/significant figures in his life.
    • Ask about the heating seal - be encouraging, positive.
 
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Removed the Asuma section completely, since if Noburi decides to take a genin team, he'll be sent on missions.

[x] Action Plan: Student, Brother, and Sealing
Word count: tbd
  • Mari Sanity Check and Optimization
  • Harumitsu
    • Normal lessons/training
    • Subtly inquire about life in the Hagoromo
      • Does he have friends?
      • What does he do for fun?
      • (Internally) Is he well looked after?
    • Try to make introductions to other Goketsu - Akane, Noburi, Mari, Kagome's sealing students, etc
      • Noburi's sisters, with Mari's and Noburi's approval?
      • Goal: we're not trying to pawn him off on other people, but to help him build positive social connections with Goketsu at large
    • Ask about the heating seal he was working on - be encouraging, positive.
  • Misc
    • Continue working on Minato's First Seal
    • Visit Mareo
 
Genin teams:
  • Talk with the potential leaders.
  • Outline the constraints and benefits.
  • What are their thoughts? Do they have leanings?
  • Hazo would...
    • ...like to be able to field-deploy Mari and Noburi to find the scroll in Neck. Ideally, soon. They're good socially and can perform bulk nonlethal takedowns. We have clan chuunin for firepower. This is subject to them thinking they have a good chance of success. He thinks it's possible, but he won't deploy them if they think it's a goose chase.
    • ...Goketsu to be represented in team leads and to get more than dregs.
    • ...like to enable and support everyone's decisions. He's not ordering anyone to accept or decline.
Some clarification: Who is Hazou talking to, exactly? Is it all the potential leaders for newly-graduated Academy students, xor the Goketsu potential leaders? I'm making the obvious assumption that he's only talking to the Goketsu for this, but am not 100%.
 
And I feel very strongly about Akane getting a Scroll.
why? even though we promised akane a scroll she can release us from that promise if she doesn't care herself that much about getting a scroll. she might even be net uncomfortable about us going to neck to get a scroll for her.

by asking someone in the clan [like Mari or Noburi, not like Kei or Asuma]
isn't kei legally dual clan? even if she legally isn't it would seem...strange...if it's harder for Hazou to talk to Kei than Mari or Noburi.

genin teams makes me nervous. such a huge time sink for goketsu. and may make FOOM difficult. might be worth refusing asuma.
 
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