Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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I'm trying to think of ways to stop Oro.
1. Arbitrary number of SINS? It'll cause a sealing failure and might do more damage than Oro would do to us. Also Oro survived apparent death at BotG, so unless the sealing failure damages Oro's soul or propogates across backups, we die when he returns.
2. Direct order from Hokage? Oro might disobey anyways if he considers it worth it. Hokage might not be able to stop Oro with force, or consider it worth it to even try. Leaf is at war, and losing Oro could be arguably not worth losing Hazou/Kei.
3. Direct opposition from Tsunade? Oro might not care/might not be able to be stopped by Tsunade. It's a lot harder to protect someone than it is to kidnap for an S-ranker I'd assume.
4. Attempt to interest Oro in our resurrection research? Oro might care. He also might care but dismiss it because he thinks we're too stupid to succeed.
I'm not interested in thinking about how to fix Kei-Mary relations. We have so little agency in the matter it feels pointless to even consider. Only Ami wuid be able to convince Kei, and I don't see why Ami has any reason to.
1. Arbitrary number of SINS? It'll cause a sealing failure and might do more damage than Oro would do to us. Also Oro survived apparent death at BotG, so unless the sealing failure damages Oro's soul or propogates across backups, we die when he returns.
2. Direct order from Hokage? Oro might disobey anyways if he considers it worth it. Hokage might not be able to stop Oro with force, or consider it worth it to even try. Leaf is at war, and losing Oro could be arguably not worth losing Hazou/Kei.
3. Direct opposition from Tsunade? Oro might not care/might not be able to be stopped by Tsunade. It's a lot harder to protect someone than it is to kidnap for an S-ranker I'd assume.
4. Attempt to interest Oro in our resurrection research? Oro might care. He also might care but dismiss it because he thinks we're too stupid to succeed.
I'm not interested in thinking about how to fix Kei-Mary relations. We have so little agency in the matter it feels pointless to even consider. Only Ami wuid be able to convince Kei, and I don't see why Ami has any reason to.
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ah yes, Mari's number 1 fan
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- Fifth Dimension
meh, I don't see the issue. Kei wasn't thrown under the bus necessarily, as it was...Snowflake. Who can literally come back from death. And like...despite her being cynical, Kei's assessment was right. She has more of a chance to survive Orochimaru than Hazo.
What I'm saying is that Mari did nothing wrong (besides potentially lying to Orochimaru and being killed. Mari's arguably way too valuable to risk like that0.
What I'm saying is that Mari did nothing wrong (besides potentially lying to Orochimaru and being killed. Mari's arguably way too valuable to risk like that0.
The issue is that kei doesn't believe that on an emotional level. Causing relationship conflict
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Omit Needless Words
[х] Ask Orochimaru to fix the separation between Mari and Kei
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- The Soviet Republic of Canuckistan
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The issues between Kei and Mari aren't going anywhere until both sides do a lot of growing up - IMO Kei more than Mari.
Mari was never perfect and Kei has admitted that a lot of her beef is that she wanted Mari to be perfect. At the end of the day, there's only one way off a pedestal: down. Until Kei accepts that Mari is trying and showing pretty significant progress for someone who's dealing with what Mari is dealing with, nothing is going to change.
Simultaneously, Mari needs to sit down with Keiko, talk to her, explain everything that went on in her head, make space for Kei's grief and rage and whatever else, and ask for her forgiveness. Keiko won't believe her, but Mari can't honestly say that she's tried everything before she's done that.
The big issue is that Kei can't actually engage with any of her feelings - she lacks the emotional intelligence to do any of that work and wants Mari to do it for her.
Maybe Mari and Snowflake should talk. The Frozen Skein isn't making any of this any easier, and Snowflake seems much more emotionally available.
Mari was never perfect and Kei has admitted that a lot of her beef is that she wanted Mari to be perfect. At the end of the day, there's only one way off a pedestal: down. Until Kei accepts that Mari is trying and showing pretty significant progress for someone who's dealing with what Mari is dealing with, nothing is going to change.
Simultaneously, Mari needs to sit down with Keiko, talk to her, explain everything that went on in her head, make space for Kei's grief and rage and whatever else, and ask for her forgiveness. Keiko won't believe her, but Mari can't honestly say that she's tried everything before she's done that.
The big issue is that Kei can't actually engage with any of her feelings - she lacks the emotional intelligence to do any of that work and wants Mari to do it for her.
Maybe Mari and Snowflake should talk. The Frozen Skein isn't making any of this any easier, and Snowflake seems much more emotionally available.
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- Liverpool
Y'all ready to do the monster Mash? Because I find myself agreeing with Oneiros: killing Snake summoner just went from "possible necessary one day" to "the third war we need to waging (without him knowing until we're ready)". The fact that he was ready to dissect us, wanting to dissect Kei, and maybe murdering Jiraiya's wife means that he's lost the right to the term uncle, when as a joke.
So, let's see what else is going bump in the night. Oh right, drama.
At least Hazou realizes the gravity of the situation. Though not the fact that he seems to have implicitly forgiven her already. Which, makes sense since she saved him from vivisection, but also, Kei isn't going to love.
Yeah, that's... About what we expected. At least Hazou just came out and said it.
Also, it's at least validating to realize that we took the threat appropriately seriously, rather than being told we overreacted. It isn't GOOD that the threat is this series, but take the wins where you get them at least.
Hazou... Buddy, stop. Some of what you're saying may be true, but it sounds like you're just making excuses, which you are. And it isn't going to go over well, and is just going to harm your and Kei's relation.
Yikes. I mean, the analysis seems pretty accurate, and honestly sensible. And if they had a good working relationship, then this might be acceptable. But, this isn't a bridge too far as much as three outposts and a civilian town too far. Certainly doesn't help Kei's self-worth issues either. Her shutting down arguments otherwise is unsurprising, and honestly valid.
Well that isn't ominous at all. faflec.reaction(Kagome) and all that.
So, if Kei is this ticked... Just imagine what Snowflake's response is going to be? She just got forcibly dispelled, which is bad enough, but then also to find out this happened? It's going to be a rough day next time she's resummoned. Care package may not be enough.
So, let's see what else is going bump in the night. Oh right, drama.
At least Hazou realizes the gravity of the situation. Though not the fact that he seems to have implicitly forgiven her already. Which, makes sense since she saved him from vivisection, but also, Kei isn't going to love.
Yeah, that's... About what we expected. At least Hazou just came out and said it.
Also, it's at least validating to realize that we took the threat appropriately seriously, rather than being told we overreacted. It isn't GOOD that the threat is this series, but take the wins where you get them at least.
Hazou... Buddy, stop. Some of what you're saying may be true, but it sounds like you're just making excuses, which you are. And it isn't going to go over well, and is just going to harm your and Kei's relation.
Yikes. I mean, the analysis seems pretty accurate, and honestly sensible. And if they had a good working relationship, then this might be acceptable. But, this isn't a bridge too far as much as three outposts and a civilian town too far. Certainly doesn't help Kei's self-worth issues either. Her shutting down arguments otherwise is unsurprising, and honestly valid.
Well that isn't ominous at all. faflec.reaction(Kagome) and all that.
So, if Kei is this ticked... Just imagine what Snowflake's response is going to be? She just got forcibly dispelled, which is bad enough, but then also to find out this happened? It's going to be a rough day next time she's resummoned. Care package may not be enough.
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[X] Do the monster mash
Objectives:
- do the mash
- make it a graveyard smash
- do the mash
- catch on in a flash
- do the mash
- do the monster mash!
Key for translation: "do the mash" = "sanity is overrated";
"graveyard smash" = "achieving necromancy";
"catch on in a flash" = FOOM;
"monster mash" = "so what if we're not strictly human any more? worked well for Snuncle"
I'm just concerned about the verses, you know, "I was working in the lab late one night" gives one the heebies as well as the jeebies if you've been to the Basement
Objectives:
- do the mash
- make it a graveyard smash
- do the mash
- catch on in a flash
- do the mash
- do the monster mash!
Key for translation: "do the mash" = "sanity is overrated";
"graveyard smash" = "achieving necromancy";
"catch on in a flash" = FOOM;
"monster mash" = "so what if we're not strictly human any more? worked well for Snuncle"
I'm just concerned about the verses, you know, "I was working in the lab late one night" gives one the heebies as well as the jeebies if you've been to the Basement
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- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
How about after we run to (relative) safety we find some way to get Oro what he wants that doesn't kill any of our family members?
All he needs is access to a Kurosawa to dissect and access to pretty much any mental bloodline at all.
Edit: Did we ever learn how a Nara Shadow Clone acts compared to a Nara original?
All he needs is access to a Kurosawa to dissect and access to pretty much any mental bloodline at all.
Edit: Did we ever learn how a Nara Shadow Clone acts compared to a Nara original?
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- UK
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This is an unexpected time to join @RandomOTP's shipping faction, but more power to you.
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Note that thus far he has only demonstrated willingness to threaten to do those things. I'm sure he genuinely wants to do them, I'm less convinced he really will. We'll have to wait and see what happens to mari...
"Coming right up"
*combines Kei and Mari into a horrifying amalgamation*
"Now they're inseparable!"
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Eh. Inflicting mental harm, kicking us out of our old house, causing a multiverse nightmare seizure episode, having the mental harm be in an effort to make us reveal clan secrets, and genuinely wanting to dissect us still seems like a sufficient combination of factors to treat him more as a powerful enemy than an estranged family member with potential. Especially since "don't be interesting" has now permanently had its viability shot.
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Good point. So it would probably mainly work for stuff like communication seals, where there's a seal at either end.
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I never said he was an ally or friend, just that since returning to Leaf he hasn't actually grabbed someone and dissected them yet outside of the Final Gift Program which is voluntary. I'm not saying he won't do it under any circumstances, just that thus far he has left the interesting bloodline users alone despite his curiosity
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If it's any consolation, I, myself, am rather surprised at how much I've come to ship Snowflake and Hazou together. Snowflake's interest in Hazou developed naturally, her subtle signalling/flirtations are as cute as they are frustrating (especially when contrasted against Snowflake's banter with Kei), and her conversations with Hazou are always a delight to read.
MrRobot
In doubt there's always the Sun!
Captain, oh my good captain, dont really go near ships if i can avoid it, specially that one seems a really sad ship.
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Sure, it may sink... But the voyage!
>:3
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... Suggestion:
If Orochimaru kills Mari, flip Ami's plan for the Hag against Orochimaru. Or rather, use Mari as a martyr against the Monopoly of Power than S-rankers have. Use that to pressure Asuma to act towards our own ends. Shouldn't be too hard, Mari's beloved by most people due to her socializing. Play up the Hokage's Widow part, the fact that Orochimaru just took out a Leaf E-Jonin (Leaf's Jonin number in the low 20s, and they're all new to the title), and maybe reveal how Mari was defending her children from the Big Bad.
Coordinate with Ami, and maybe we can pull something off.
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...Ami has a brain tumor, doesn't she?
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- how about no
Oro knows that killing Mari would earn the enmity of the majority of Leaf and probably get him exiled again for killing his comrades without consent (yay Final Gift program).
I find it far more likely he would do something even more horrifying than simply killing her so that she becomes loyal to him or at least no longer a threat to him. I'm confident he could find a way to traumatize her enough that she will never waste his time again but I am not as sure if he could outright subvert her free will.
In other words, it's time to have Hazou brush up on his anti-Lupchanz contingencies.
I find it far more likely he would do something even more horrifying than simply killing her so that she becomes loyal to him or at least no longer a threat to him. I'm confident he could find a way to traumatize her enough that she will never waste his time again but I am not as sure if he could outright subvert her free will.
In other words, it's time to have Hazou brush up on his anti-Lupchanz contingencies.
