- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Maybe somewhere. None in your area.
There were no other air vents or obvious places for something to travel through...that you noticed.
Kagome blowing them up.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
- Thread starter eaglejarl
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- naruto rational rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
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- United States
I feel like I recall earlier discussions on this made it highly implausible that Kabuto would have any interest in joining, also that we still don't totally trust him (OOC reasons and successfully deceiving Mari reasons), and that we also wanted Naruto's agreement.
Tua
鸡肉面条汤
- Location
- شوربة الدجاج المعكرونة
We got more incentives for Kabuto to join us with the new stuff we found but your point about actually clearing things with Naruto and the rest of the clan is well made.
@MadScientist: Add a line to discuss this with the clan and only to proceed if there are no immediate issues we'd have to clear before offering Kabuto the adoption?
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- Yes.
I think this is a good idea.
Hivemind said:
Very well. Added, and I hope that doing negotiations immediately after (if they agree) negates QM boredom.
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
@Rihaku Remind me: Was there a reason not to do away with the concept of "genin / chūnin / jōnin" seals and just say "Each one has a price, make whatever you can, if you cause too many seal accidents there will be legal repercussions on your clan" ?
EDIT: Testing, testing, @Velorien do you get an alert for this ping that I edited in?
EDIT: Testing, testing, @Velorien do you get an alert for this ping that I edited in?
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Naruto's SC xp bonus seems huge to me (in the sense of needing to be fixed eventually). Shouldn't it multiply his XP like 10+ fold?
Also, just noting that Noburi having a medium consequence could lead to his death if we get attacked again.
Oh, we should also ask Mari why she couldn't understand that guy's journal.
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Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
I don't think we're continuing on in the dungeon at the moment. Mari might've understood the journal entries or had speculation as to what they could be (seducing "willing" test subjects perhaps) but was super duper uncomfortable talking about it.
I suspect only novel experience counts. The more clones doing different things/seeing things differently, the more exp you are likely to get. The less novel the clones found themselves in, the less xp they get.
That is, novelty correlates with how much clones are learning.
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
@MadScientist Would you consider some modifications to the plan that have it come off a bit more subtle?
What did you have in mind?
We should ask this after we exit the dungeon. That explanation is plausible, but after a cannibal seal, better to be safe.
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
Something thats more like "Subtly underline the advantages of this offer (offers) by alluding to them but leave yourself open." maybe?
I don't want Hazou to be memetically dumb and try to outright haggle with him, since I think this would just end up annoying the guy.
Economics blah blah blah
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
There will be more coming.
Q: Who owns our home loan?
A: The Tower, who sold the estate to Jiraiya to recover part or all the debt.
Q: How many hours (and what other things) did we get as part of Keiko's bride price?
A: 88mm ryō. No hours, since those are internal-only currency. You implicitly get "favored outclan (i.e., not ISC) trading partner", but that's vaguely defined.
Q: How much money are we getting from Kenta's business?
A: Kenta is earning about R30,000 / year. Aoi is mostly a stay-at-home-mom who helps out in the shop and earns side money doing laundry for rich people. She's making about R1,000 / year.
Q: How much did we invest or plan to invest in Kenta's business?
A: You invested 30k into the carpenter business.
Q: How much would it take to invest in Kenta expanding into construction and hiring the necessary skilled labor?
A: 50k. He's starting from ground zero and construction is capital intensive.
Q: Income/expense from Jiraiya's spy network and business connection.
A: HDK. OOC, we'll likely go with the player suggestion and do the accounting by filing the income from the network as "other investments" instead of treating it as the network per se generating money.
Q: How much does the Tower have for seals/month?
A: The monthly budget is 29.9 million ryō.
Q: When does the monthly seal budget refresh? (To have someone camping out.)
A: First of the month at dawn.
Q: How much money is Naruto getting from missions?
A: The player-suggested answer is unclear to us -- it seems to be talking about his total lifetime earnings, but it might be intended to be a per-mission number? Could someone please clarify?
Q: How much money was Jiraiya worth at time of death?
A: 513 million ryō.
Q: Can we fill other sealmasters' quotas?
A: Yes, you can fill other sealmasters' quotas for seals. In most cases that means you make the seals and give them to the person in question, who then turns them in.
Skywalkers are a special case since they are not allowed to be given to anyone other than the Tower. Procedurally, you're required to go in with the sealmaster that you're supplying them for, simply to ensure that all accounting is done properly & the right person ends up with the money. If Alice and Bill go in together and Alice says "I'm handing these in for Bill", then the Tower rep would hand Bill the money but wouldn't care if he immediately handed it to Alice. The important thing is that you never hand a skywalker to someone not actively working for the Tower.
Q: How does land ownership and sale work? Specifically:
De jure, all land in Fire is owned by the Fire Daimyo except for the land actually under ninja clan estates / Hokage Tower. Nobles have long-term leases on it which can be revoked at the pleasure of the Daimyo, and the nobles sub-lease to more junior nobles who sub-sub-lease to individual farmers, merchants, etc. "Selling" land is therefore actually transferring your (sub-)(sub-)lease to a new owner, and doing so theoretically requires the permission of everyone up the chain, all the way to the Daimyo.
De facto, those rights are rarely exercised and the land can pretty much be treated as though it were owned by the noble or high-end merchant (who are effectively petit-nobility) living on it. Farmers in the country have jack-all rights and can be tossed off the land whenever their local noble so decides.
Related to the above is the political side: The Hokage is the one who actually runs Fire. What he says goes; the Clan Council is technically purely advisory and cannot overrule him. In practice, they have a great deal of soft power, both because they are the ones who actually implement his orders and are therefore able to make his life difficult and because any society requires the consent of the governed to some degree.
Q: What are Akatsuki's going rates again? Was that 23 milion ryo for land clearing mission figure pure profit or was it just the income?
A: That information is not available to anyone Hazō knows. They don't take a lot of jobs.
Q: What has historically motivated civilians to resettle?
A: Famine, destruction of settlements by chakra beasts, sometimes ninja for the same reason. Very rarely, population growth pressure (the 7th son getting the boot). If peasants are lucky, rural nobility supporting land expansion for more farmlands, sometime resettling abandoned settlements.
Q: How are craftsmen/merchant civilians taxed? (e.g. that luxury clothes shop owner. Still subsistence?)
A: According to Rihaku once again, Urbanites are taxed 70% above subsistence level at R4,240.
Q: How are civilian clan members taxed?
A: Civilian clan members are effectively untaxed.
Q: How is land valued? (Both closer to Leaf and farther)
A: Using Rihaku's calculation, rich and secure land, closest to Leaf is worth 15-30 million ryo per square kilometers.
Q: What is the price of ice?
A: 100-300 ryō / kg
Q: Who owns our home loan?
A: The Tower, who sold the estate to Jiraiya to recover part or all the debt.
Q: How many hours (and what other things) did we get as part of Keiko's bride price?
A: 88mm ryō. No hours, since those are internal-only currency. You implicitly get "favored outclan (i.e., not ISC) trading partner", but that's vaguely defined.
Q: How much money are we getting from Kenta's business?
A: Kenta is earning about R30,000 / year. Aoi is mostly a stay-at-home-mom who helps out in the shop and earns side money doing laundry for rich people. She's making about R1,000 / year.
Q: How much did we invest or plan to invest in Kenta's business?
A: You invested 30k into the carpenter business.
Q: How much would it take to invest in Kenta expanding into construction and hiring the necessary skilled labor?
A: 50k. He's starting from ground zero and construction is capital intensive.
Q: Income/expense from Jiraiya's spy network and business connection.
A: HDK. OOC, we'll likely go with the player suggestion and do the accounting by filing the income from the network as "other investments" instead of treating it as the network per se generating money.
Q: How much does the Tower have for seals/month?
A: The monthly budget is 29.9 million ryō.
Q: When does the monthly seal budget refresh? (To have someone camping out.)
A: First of the month at dawn.
Q: How much money is Naruto getting from missions?
A: The player-suggested answer is unclear to us -- it seems to be talking about his total lifetime earnings, but it might be intended to be a per-mission number? Could someone please clarify?
Q: How much money was Jiraiya worth at time of death?
A: 513 million ryō.
Q: Can we fill other sealmasters' quotas?
A: Yes, you can fill other sealmasters' quotas for seals. In most cases that means you make the seals and give them to the person in question, who then turns them in.
Skywalkers are a special case since they are not allowed to be given to anyone other than the Tower. Procedurally, you're required to go in with the sealmaster that you're supplying them for, simply to ensure that all accounting is done properly & the right person ends up with the money. If Alice and Bill go in together and Alice says "I'm handing these in for Bill", then the Tower rep would hand Bill the money but wouldn't care if he immediately handed it to Alice. The important thing is that you never hand a skywalker to someone not actively working for the Tower.
Q: How does land ownership and sale work? Specifically:
- Who owns the land around Leaf/how much/how far out?
- Who owns the random land farther from the major villages?
- Is land ownership transferred around much?
- Between which parties, in what volume, at what frequency? (trying to determine how much new supply the market can bear)
De jure, all land in Fire is owned by the Fire Daimyo except for the land actually under ninja clan estates / Hokage Tower. Nobles have long-term leases on it which can be revoked at the pleasure of the Daimyo, and the nobles sub-lease to more junior nobles who sub-sub-lease to individual farmers, merchants, etc. "Selling" land is therefore actually transferring your (sub-)(sub-)lease to a new owner, and doing so theoretically requires the permission of everyone up the chain, all the way to the Daimyo.
De facto, those rights are rarely exercised and the land can pretty much be treated as though it were owned by the noble or high-end merchant (who are effectively petit-nobility) living on it. Farmers in the country have jack-all rights and can be tossed off the land whenever their local noble so decides.
Related to the above is the political side: The Hokage is the one who actually runs Fire. What he says goes; the Clan Council is technically purely advisory and cannot overrule him. In practice, they have a great deal of soft power, both because they are the ones who actually implement his orders and are therefore able to make his life difficult and because any society requires the consent of the governed to some degree.
Q: What are Akatsuki's going rates again? Was that 23 milion ryo for land clearing mission figure pure profit or was it just the income?
A: That information is not available to anyone Hazō knows. They don't take a lot of jobs.
Q: What has historically motivated civilians to resettle?
A: Famine, destruction of settlements by chakra beasts, sometimes ninja for the same reason. Very rarely, population growth pressure (the 7th son getting the boot). If peasants are lucky, rural nobility supporting land expansion for more farmlands, sometime resettling abandoned settlements.
Q: How are craftsmen/merchant civilians taxed? (e.g. that luxury clothes shop owner. Still subsistence?)
A: According to Rihaku once again, Urbanites are taxed 70% above subsistence level at R4,240.
Q: How are civilian clan members taxed?
A: Civilian clan members are effectively untaxed.
Q: How is land valued? (Both closer to Leaf and farther)
A: Using Rihaku's calculation, rich and secure land, closest to Leaf is worth 15-30 million ryo per square kilometers.
- Rich chakra land is 2.5x of the value of normal land.
- Farmlands that required patrol missions will lower the value of land, in according to ranked missions. For example, an estate that required 12 C-rank missions per year will cost 120 thousand ryo per year. Rihaku used the equation C - I where C stands for capital value of the land, and I the investment needed to make land safe for farming. Thus, if the estate is valued at 1 million, then the cost will lower by 120K ryo, then the estate is worth 880,000.
- For farmland without access to river for transportation of grains and other crops, we could apply a penalty based on how much the crops will rot or be lost before reaching the market but may be irrelevant to Hazo and crew.
Q: What is the price of ice?
A: 100-300 ryō / kg
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- Yes.
:SCREAMING:
I was going more for "state the advantages of being in the clan, in vaguer terms that still get the gist across where we need to keep clan secrets". I don't think Hazou would be memtically dumb here, but I may be wrong. Suggestions?
Tua
鸡肉面条汤
- Location
- شوربة الدجاج المعكرونة
I don't get this sentiment.
Unless anyone disagrees the meeting will likely be really short or offscreened.
And if someone does disagree isn't it better to fix the problem right now instead of having to put out fires again later which would necessite even more "boring" meetings than if we hadn't asked in the first place?
Uh according to OliWhail in response to Keiko's bride price we also get hours and votes.
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
I can get some edits to you in a couple hours-ish.
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Bah.
*flaps hands dismissively* Later answers that involve vastly more consideration override earlier ones.
Did Mari get any further with this?
[x] Retreat and Mental Health
- Do not go further into the dungeon.
- Is the room secure?
- Make sure Noburi is going to be okay.
- Also, what are the vials Kagome found? If worthwhile, send clones to seal the items in the storeroom.
- If there's a catalogue, get that and use it to direct the looting.
- Store and catelogue everything potentially useful: (Octocat corpses, research notes, etc, locations of objects, layout, etc). Don't let anything potentially useful get destroyed unless it's sentient and there's nothing we can do for it.
- Pocket all the papers (don't store in storage seals in case its a seal)
- MEW off the unexplored sections of the dungeon so that biohorrors don't get into the explored sections in our absence.
- Have Naruto clones start to move backwards through the dungeon.
- If the path is still safe, retreat.
- Leave the dungeon, MEW the entrance shut behind us.
- Ask Naruto whether the timekeeping clone turned cannibal
- Now that things are calming down Goketsu can rest psychologically. Rest, clean off, and relax the rest of the day with Goketsu. Talk and confide in each other about stress, trauma, and mental health including Mari's:
- complete mentality change.
- eye color changes.
- the price of her TLiTF and its effects on her. as her family we need to know how to care for her.
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