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- Pacific standard
[X] Ask Hiashi out on a date. He can't kill you while he's hospitalized.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
- Thread starter eaglejarl
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- naruto rational rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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- Yes.
Right, added a note to check if the Pangolins/Toads are amenable to alliance.
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- Yes.
The Hokage, IMO.
Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
In theory: yes
In practice: authority needs to come from somewhere. Its not like whats legal and whats not matters as long as its convenient for the bigwigs.
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
Theoretically a Kage has absolute power over everything in the village. In practice clans have a lot of power over various things in Konoha, from things like which missions their ninjas take to which civilian ventures they invest in, and probably a bunch of other stuff.
Suffice it to say that if a Kage was on the bad side of a clan they could make themselves a right nuisance for the Kage, and if you put a bunch of clans together they can join forces and turn from 'minor nuisance' into 'administration crisis'. Imagine if a full third of Konoha's ninjas start coordinating to make life difficult for the Tower.
Now, Kages tend to be some of the strongest ninjas in the village and they do have technical power, so it's not out of the question for the response to this to be 'fall in line or take a jutsu to the chest', and that's probably what Yagura did to be honest, but it's significantly easier and much stabler to just let the clans make decisions in certain domains. Especially since a village is in all likelihood too big for any one ninja to call all the shots for, so a Kage can retain all the authorities they need to defend the village by any means necessary while letting the clans focus on other aspects like economic policy and education and whatnot.
(That last paragraph ventured more into speculation about how I think such a society would function more than confident statements derived from direct textual evidence, but I feel confident enough that it more or less matches the QM's thought processes when they were worldbuilding the EN)
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- Why would this be required?
Remember that Jiraiya and Orochimaru were close teammates for years while being the toad and snake summoners. While there might be some issues, I'm hesitantly optimistic about relations between the two clans, at the very least they probably aren't mortal enemies. If the Toads and Snakes are still civil enough then the Toads can act as an in between and get the Pangolins better acquainted. Of course that's just going off the little information we know, there could be a lot more to it, but I think we could pull off a three-way alliance.
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Vecht
Self-Requested Ban
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- Snarksville, Snarkland
His contribution to the Hokage monument will just be a continuously exploding crater.
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- Liverpool
Everyone! I'm compiling the list of unanswered questions from the thread. Specifically, the 'Hazou might reasonably know/Hazou does know but it hasn't come up in story yet' questions. I've gone over the thread since the last update, and I'll go over it since the second-to-last in the next 12 hours (maybe third-to-last if I find class uninformative). But, I want to be thorough/prevent repetition for the QMs by channeling it all through me. If anyone has those sorts of questions that they've posted and not had answered yet, or thought that they've seen conflicting implications from different players, please PM me.
@OliWhail @Velorien @eaglejarl I'll plan to have the streamlined list to you Tuesday by 6 PM BST/1 PM EDT/Whatever time zone you're swimming through at the time. Is that okay, or would you prefer noticeably sooner? I hope that is what you had in mind, let me know if it isn't.
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- Pacific standard
A concern with the snek plan in general: If we are pulling "J is oro's heir because they were teammates, and we are J's heir" card, shouldn't the scroll instead go to either tsunade, the living teammate from their band of three, or the descendants of their jonin commander... the Sarutobi.
Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
I don't think we're explicitly doing stuff from that perspective
Truly, he embodied "The Will of Fire".
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- The Void
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- She/Her
The plan was to basically to use any pressure we could to convince them to give us the scroll. Since Leaf is down to approximately 20-25 jounin odds are that we'd go against a chunnin. No one that Mari l, Kei and Hazō couldn't convince. On top of that ANBU agents where selected for personal loyalty to Jiraiya. So they'd be more likely to acquiesce to his will. Plus the general confusion with the fall out from Nagi Island. The final point was that if we got rebuffed we could always act like we would come back with the paperwork.
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Who ever grabs the scroll gets it. Someone is going to soon
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- USA
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- He/Him
Exactly this.
I will pay you actual American dollars if you can actually make that happen through the normal process of the quest. That would be amazing, and I would love to write it.
That would be fantastic, thank you.
Although, now that I think about it, there's a world-edit player QUINOA (Questions In Need Of Answers) Google doc that I think we all have forgotten about. The easiest way to handle this might be for everyone to put their questions into the doc and, if you're willing, you take responsibility for curating the list until Tuesday? Remove duplicates, keep things organized, post answers to questions that you or someone else (cough faflec cough) already know the answer to, etc. Would that work?
Link is here: Questions In Need of Answers (QuINOA)
It's pretty musty, I'm afraid.
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- Academy City
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- They
@Lailoken You've been challenged. I'm never one to leave a fellow quester high and dry on challenges of principle, especially when it would be hilarious to see to succeed. So I hereby precommit:
I will approval vote for any serious plan to put Kagome forward for Hokage. I will heavily favorably weigh any plan that involves setting this up, and guarantee a vote for any overlap between <preparation for Kagome Hokage> and <interesting plans> xor <reasonable plans>.
I also commit to, on request, render aid in optimizing such a plan, in content and wordcount, on 2 occasions, should my schedule not forbid it.
I will approval vote for any serious plan to put Kagome forward for Hokage. I will heavily favorably weigh any plan that involves setting this up, and guarantee a vote for any overlap between <preparation for Kagome Hokage> and <interesting plans> xor <reasonable plans>.
I also commit to, on request, render aid in optimizing such a plan, in content and wordcount, on 2 occasions, should my schedule not forbid it.
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
Unless you're willing to set up some kind of exchange rate...
But some doors are better left unopened
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- Academy City
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- They
Could someone remind me of how many Jonin leaf still has, and how many of them are clan ninja (particularly clan ninja we know the identity of?)
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- The Void
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- She/Her
We don't know for sure but let's do some math
We know that Jiraiya took 12 ANBU to the battle of gods. Let's assume that they all where jounin. So we are down to 38. We have confirmed deaths of Gai, Kakashi, Shikaku and Yamato's clan head. So at most Leaf has 34 jounin. At a minimum they have 7
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
Approximately 2/3 of Konoha's ninja are clan ninja, if memory serves, and this WoG states that Leaf has about 50 Jounin overall, combining Special Jounin, Jounin, and Elite Jounin.
It's likely that the population of Jounin will skew towards clan ninja due to a stronger support network, so let's peg that at 3/4 instead of 2/3. This means we can expect, pre-showdowns (USoUD and BotD) that Leaf had about 38 clan Jounin and 12 clanless Jounin.
I don't know where she got these numbers, but Oneiros was saying in the discord earlier that Leaf lost about 7 Jounin from the Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny, and 12 from the Battle of the Gods. Put together and Leaf should have about 30 Jounin left (rounded down to straightforward value).
If we maintain the same ratios we're looking at something like 22 clan Jounin and 8 clanless Jounin.
edit: Ninja'd by Oneiros herself :lol
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- USA
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- He/Him
Okay, I'll throw 10 XP and $10 in the pot. Let me say up front that I am extremely confident that I will never have to pay out. I cannot imagine an even vaguely plausible scenario in which Kagome ends up being elected as Hokage. Even if everyone in Leaf died and the only survivors were the Gōketsu I don't think he'd be elected.
Hmmmmm...
I've been wishing for quite a while that I could write MfD for a living so that I could produce more with less stress....
Hmmm...
Don't quote me on this, but IIRC there were 50 jōnin in Leaf at the start of the quest; something in the order of 10 died during BotG, and the same at USOUD. So Leaf has on the order of two dozen jōnin right now. Might be one dozen, might be three dozen, but that's the ballpark. I don't know how many are clan or from which clans, but 2/3 of ninja in general are from clans. It might skew higher for jōnin. Point is, the majority are probably from clans.
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Wow. I got ninja'd so hard.
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
Also worth noting: if there are significantly more than 17 clans in Leaf, and only something like 40 clan Jounin in Leaf pre-showdowns, that means a relatively stable state for a Leaf clan is to have one or two Jounin in it.
Especially now that there are fewer Jounin around, if all three of Team Uplift reach Jounin then the three of us alone will be high-tier power on par with most other clans.
Especially now that there are fewer Jounin around, if all three of Team Uplift reach Jounin then the three of us alone will be high-tier power on par with most other clans.