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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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faflec said:
Didn't we give Jiraiya a list of our knowledge on Akatsuki, which was mostly from Kagome's paranoid ranting?
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I... guess? Would Jiraiya even remember that, though? I would've expected him to get a couple paragraphs into that list and either throw it away as paranoid ranting, or insistently demand of Kagome that he reveal how he knows that stuff. Akatsuki is a threat to Leaf national security, after all.
 
Immortal Lurker said:
Most importantly, this combo might be usable underground. HLaM + Living Roots + Rock Spike = Solo floor hack bullshit.

Actually, during the tournament, we want to always surface before using the rock spike. Its too good, we should keep it a secret.

Also, do we know what equipment we are limited to? Because sneaking in two full canteens of Chakra water would be nice. We pay Noburi through the nose, and drink it while we are hidden underneath the floor of the arena.

Incidentally, we absolutely must figure out if the floor can be traversed via HLaM. I recommend sending an earth clone the day before trying to tunnel from outside the arena to just below the surface. Or pay Keiko to use Panashe. The point is don't go in person, the might have laid traps, and it would be embarrassing to get caught.

If it isn't traversable, universal problem solving technique. Blast our way down, blast our way up. Incidentally, we need to practice that sometime. Maybe a 30-60 xp stunt to have blasting your way through the floor and getting underground only take two supplementals and a standard instead of two standards and two supplementals. (activate tag, throw tag, activate jutsu, move down).
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I don't think we'll be able to use Floor Spike no Jutsu in the tourny, depending on the crunch
 
MMKII said:
I don't think we'll be able to use Floor Spike no Jutsu in the tourny, depending on the crunch
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Unless we can cheat the mechanics. Like, what would happen if the jutsu runs against Alertness, but we have blocked LOS via HLaM or MEW or something? Would the opponent's Alertness count as 0 for the sake of the jutsu?
 
It might still be useful as a cheaper version of MEW, if the crunch makes it cheaper to cast but still being effective at blocking attacks. Though we don't know how new MEW works, so...
 
This is really really excellent, and everyone should read it:

Dreaming of Sunshine Chapter 1: Prologue, a naruto fanfic | FanFiction

Aside from all the things that make it a good rationalist isekai, it did a few things with the setting that I really liked. It has a reasonably coherent idea of how seals work exactly that would be worth stealing, since MfD has left that very vague and it really hurts our ability to theorycraft seals. Another idea I really liked is how it handled Konoha Torture and Interrogation in a way that's actually consistent with Konoha values instead of being a glaring exception to them. MfD has interpreted the Naruto setting in about as dark a way as possible, but that isn't the only way things can work.
 
After that gift, now might be a good time to mention to Kagome that he could turn his seals into J to get them protected as clan secrets. Perhaps mention that the tournament would be a prime target for an attack and how we'd be a lot more comfortable if J could make his seals since he won't be around...
 
Lailoken said:
After that gift, now might be a good time to mention to Kagome that he could turn his seals into J to get them protected as clan secrets. Perhaps mention that the tournament would be a prime target for an attack and how we'd be a lot more comfortable if J could make his seals since he won't be around...
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I'd feel quite bad to prey on Kagome's paranoid nature here.
 
Roomba said:
Incidentally, how do we feel about the Self-reflection section? It was a bit of an experiment, and I'm curious what everyone thinks. For me, it did exactly what I'd hoped for in practical terms, and I also enjoyed reading the actual scene. In the future, I'd like to provide another scene where the new insight can be used, in the same plan, but this was fine as well.
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I thought this was quite useful. We should do this from time to time.

I would prefer we take secondary and tertiary measures to improving Hazou's social obliviousness as well, though.

Like putting a bit of XP into Empathy and also having him read more books/take up acting/do some more socializing that is with normal people and not this insane pile of psycho-killers and social-fu gods.
 
TaliesinSkye said:
This is really really excellent, and everyone should read it:

Dreaming of Sunshine Chapter 1: Prologue, a naruto fanfic | FanFiction

Aside from all the things that make it a good rationalist isekai, it did a few things with the setting that I really liked. It has a reasonably coherent idea of how seals work exactly that would be worth stealing, since MfD has left that very vague and it really hurts our ability to theorycraft seals. Another idea I really liked is how it handled Konoha Torture and Interrogation in a way that's actually consistent with Konoha values instead of being a glaring exception to them. MfD has interpreted the Naruto setting in about as dark a way as possible, but that isn't the only way things can work.
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I like Dreaming of Sunshine a lot for managing to wrangle a lot of Kishimoto's questionable character building into something compelling and cohesive. The main character is Shikamaru's sister, and their relationship in particular is very well drawn and developed.

However, its conception of how seals work is very vague and not clear at all in delineating what is and what isn't possible with the art. It's especially visible when the protagonist gets to study Orochimaru's Curse Seal, and offers practically no technical detail or insight, other than admiring the complexity of it.

In MfD, on the other hand, while we intentionally aren't given a clear picture of the theory of sealing so we don't win instantly, the research itself is very compellingly rendered, I feel. The idea of storage seal stress as a difficult technical problem is really clever, and the way the playerbase exploited it to create Macerators was incredibly satisfying.
 
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Roomba said:
In MfD, on the other hand, while we intentionally aren't given a clear picture of the theory of sealing so we don't win instantly, the research itself is very compellingly rendered, I feel. The idea of storage seal stress as a difficult technical problem is really clever, and the way the playerbase exploited it to create Macerators was incredibly satisfying.
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Wasn't it, though? It even made macerators (v1, that is) easier to make than storage seals -- incidentally, this makes them a good stepping stone toward storage seals for younger sealmasters.
 
TaliesinSkye said:
It has a reasonably coherent idea of how seals work
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Could you explain that idea? I've read DoS at least twice and, so far as I can tell, the answer is "they do what the protagonist needs them to do as long as it's not too OP." As an example, she literally invented a new seal overnight (explosive tag that is divided across hundred of small pieces), and even designed and created a simple trigger seal in the middle of combat while all of her chakra was sealed away and inaccessible.

About the only rule that I can think of is that seals are very specific -- for example, her City of Pillars seal needs to be written for a specific patch of ground that she's spent an hour or so studying in advance, and it won't work anywhere else.

TaliesinSkye said:
MfD has interpreted the Naruto setting in about as dark a way as possible, but that isn't the only way things can work.
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We really, really, really have not. During the original worldbuilding one of the people involved had some seriously dark ideas that were argued down only at great effort. Start with "civilians are considered sub-human" and work from there.
 
eaglejarl said:
We really, really, really have not. During the original worldbuilding one of the people involved had some seriously dark ideas that were argued down only at great effort. Start with "civilians are considered sub-human" and work from there.
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Um, are you saying in your vision of MfD civilians are not considered sub-human? Or that there were other things, that were successfully argued down, but this one kept?
 
Anderkent said:
Um, are you saying in your vision of MfD civilians are not considered sub-human? Or that there were other things, that were successfully argued down, but this one kept?
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Definitely the first one, based on observations at least. There's a big difference between "second-class citizen" and "subhuman."
 
eaglejarl said:
We really, really, really have not. During the original worldbuilding one of the people involved had some seriously dark ideas that were argued down only at great effort. Start with "civilians are considered sub-human" and work from there.
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First thing I was reminded of was the Drow of A Practical Guide to Evil.
If you haven't read it - basically a cast system where the strongest can challenge someone bearing the full Mantle of the Winter Court and very nearly win. The weakest are basically muggles.
The strongest kill and harvest the [life force] of the weakest at their whim.
 
eaglejarl said:
We really, really, really have not. During the original worldbuilding one of the people involved had some seriously dark ideas that were argued down only at great effort. Start with "civilians are considered sub-human" and work from there.
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I know Halloween was more than 2 weeks ago, but do you have some horror stories to share?
Something to beat the forced breeding strategy?
 
Anderkent said:
Um, are you saying in your vision of MfD civilians are not considered sub-human? Or that there were other things, that were successfully argued down, but this one kept?
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Theres a difference between those working class, non-magic using, heavily impoverished (but it varies) civilians and "non-ninja (across the board ) are pretty much property with no actual rights".
 
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