Huh? But he hangs around with Gouketsu "I don't do monogamy" Jiraiya and Gouketsu "Neither do I" Mari. And he wanted a similar relationship with Akane and Ino. Why is this confusing to him?
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
Huh? But he hangs around with Gouketsu "I don't do monogamy" Jiraiya and Gouketsu "Neither do I" Mari. And he wanted a similar relationship with Akane and Ino. Why is this confusing to him?
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I think he was more confused by someone being attracted to both guys and girls.
e: Hazou seemed to have believed (at least till that point) that a person is either attracted to guys or girls never both. He once spoke to Noburi about Keiko not being interested in him as she's only interested in girls.
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Emstar
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It may or may not be! We got conflicting stories from some people and Hazou is a bit puzzled as to what the hell is going on, from another glance.
I'm not entirely sure how much of that is his "Guys and girls" thing.
Then again, this shouldnt be surprising unless he's chalked Mari up as a weird one off
Wiadi
Uncompromising Radical Leftist
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Hazou is confused about something to do with his investigations into Anko's love life. Some members of the thread have concluded that the apparent polyamory is the source of the confusion; others believe that something more significant is afoot (well, at least, I know I do) given some oddities encountered along the way. If nothing else, the fact that Anko and the head of T&I are described as attempting & failing to be subtle/discreet seems distinctly off (in the latter case for the failure, in the former case for the attempt).
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I do want to point out that Mari never apologized to Hazou/Keiko/Noburi for recruiting them, she admitted it and seems to feel terrible but she never actually said that she was sorry.
On the other hand she did apologize to Hana, practically begging her:
As brutal as Hana was, she also seems like the only one Mari is willing to listen to.
This whole clan is a wreckage. (Also all Mist women are screwed up or terrifying)
On the other hand she did apologize to Hana, practically begging her:
As brutal as Hana was, she also seems like the only one Mari is willing to listen to.
This whole clan is a wreckage. (Also all Mist women are screwed up or terrifying)
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No. For one thing, there aren't nearly enough of them.
"Or"?
Is this due to lack of farmers or lack of awareness or both?
Noumero
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You're taking her at face value here? I read it as her making a non-committal assurance in order to placate Hazou, not a firm resolution to help. She seemed puzzled by this idea before; would she really change her mind like this?
Hmm. Ren, Hana, Mari, Ami, Anna, Biwako, Keiko, Kiri, Kanako, that one-legged proctor, the Oyabun's secretary... Umm.
Ah. I think that Kurosawa proctor was okay. A bit rude, but not really screwed up or terrifying. So there.
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Huh. That's an interesting point. There might indeed be juicy info here.
I'm confused, though—what would the upshot of this be? Here are some possible ways learning weird things about Anko's relationships could help the orgy thing:
- Give us blackmail on Anko. Seems extremely weird that there's information a high genin / low chuunin could find out that would embarrass Anko, and that Ino would be willing to share that level of info even indirectly
- Help us hit Anko with a charm offensive. This also seems unlikely to work: why would she care about helping fix our rep? Maybe something that the Hokage's good graces could help her with? (I guess if she's interested in a relationship with Mari, we could ask Mari to ask her to stop??)
- Give us the perspective to realize the orgy rumor is NBD in a world where the weird do as they please and the normals gossip as they must. (This is the "unsatisfying wise old master" option.)
Noumero
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To ensure that everyone is on the same page:
I would like to note that Anko x a civilian waitress x Ibiki polycule was featured in @eaglejarl's Naruto fanfiction Team Anko. It suggests that there's nothing more shady going on. (On the other hand, the Anko from Chosen for the Grave was baffled at the idea, so who knows.)
I would like to note that Anko x a civilian waitress x Ibiki polycule was featured in @eaglejarl's Naruto fanfiction Team Anko. It suggests that there's nothing more shady going on. (On the other hand, the Anko from Chosen for the Grave was baffled at the idea, so who knows.)
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Yes.
Irrelevant side note: what if Hana's plan is to get Hazou back to Mist?
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I'm fully serious. To me, this is like if I were playing D&D and the DM made me make choose a different side in a conflict or pursue a different plotline because that would be in character. It may or may not be more in character, but it certainly interferes with how I want to play the game, enough that I need to either change my goals in playing the game, or change the character I'm playing drastically.
Regarding how this came about, I there were a couple thousand pages where most of the questers decided to be focused on saving Hazou's mom from Mist as a major goal and moderate meme, so just like how the players built in Hazou's "bad-at-opsec" trait via plans and discussion, they also built in Hazou's "obsessed with mother" trait via plans and discussion. My goal is to remove that trait from Hazou so it stops interfering with what I want to see. Then again, I've never really be in this quest for the socials, so a large part of it is just trying to navigate the quest more towards things I enjoy and care about.
I'm, uh, quite confident Mari would love getting Hazou back to Mist and will pursue opportunities which lead to that outcome.
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I mean...what if this was part of Hana's deal with Ren? Get Hazou back to Mist and into the Kurosawa? Screw Leaf, they got Mist into this situation?
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I'm...pretty sure we'd be dead if that happens. Along with everyone else.
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That I'd only give, like, a 40%? chance of being the case. I'd assume Hana is aware of the political situation and has been instructed / had discussions / inferred various ways to manipulate the outcome in Mist's favor. One of the ways that could wind up in Mist's favor is make Leaf actually be very weak and form alliances with other people while painting Leaf as strong and get whatever benefit Leaf gained by accepting the missing-nin. So, I figure if Hana sees an oportunity to cause that to happen, she'll take it, but won't take massive risks and large scale stratagems to get there.
fixed that for you.
Noumero
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That would be fun. In particular, the thread's reaction would be interesting, judging by @Radvic and @Vecht's posts.
It would either lead to some WMD testing, or to us finally to seeing what happens when we roll a new character, or to us getting better access to Ami. Win/win/win, really.
I'm reasonably confident that Akatsuki doesn't have access to metafictional weapons of mass destruction, so no, we wouldn't be dead. Hazou would be, I suppose.
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We have that IN emergency roll, we might survive!
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Yeah, and Hana *might* spontaneously realize that Mari isn't faking her depression and make an honest commitment to helping her.
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Man, what's with all the Hana hate? Other characters have agency too, that's the whole point of a rational 'verse. She's acting perfectly reasonably for the situation she's in, with the facts she has, from her perspective. This thread, sometimes.
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She is acting fully within her character agency. Her agency just happens to be anti-aligned to our goals, in addition to herself being situated in a position of incredible power over our PC. My complaints are not that she's unrealistic, or badly written, or irrational. They are, in fact, the opposite. She is well written, acting sensibly, and within the bounds of reason for her experiences. As a result of that, she is opposed to most of our goals at least somewhat and our PC affords her a significant amount of influence into his life. This means she as a character is a large roadblock to many of our plans. This means I personally would be quite happy if she were to die or otherwise become irrelevant in a way which didn't cause Mist-Leaf tensions to ignite.
My particular preferance for "way to make her fall into obscurity" is to nudge Hazou into deciding he doesn't love her anymore and that she's disruptive to his life plans, and then strongly communicate that to her. I imagine she would be largely non-fuctional if such a thing happened, and thus no longer able to disrupt our plans.
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Pretty sure her response to that would be to decide that Mari had manipulated Hazou into saying that and basically kidnap him, damn the consequences.
rkyeun
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@eaglejarl
When my depression hits, I like to read things where depression is depicted well, and not in pithy ways. It's comforting in those dark places to not be shoved or pulled, but to be understood. To look over and see someone nodding somberly from the bottom of the same hole. I've had people try to force the funk out of me like this. So this is real, and hits home, and because of that, I love it.
So please, don't shake the story for fear of the reader. There are real emotions to be expressed, and you do a good job.
Thank you. You've helped.
When my depression hits, I like to read things where depression is depicted well, and not in pithy ways. It's comforting in those dark places to not be shoved or pulled, but to be understood. To look over and see someone nodding somberly from the bottom of the same hole. I've had people try to force the funk out of me like this. So this is real, and hits home, and because of that, I love it.
So please, don't shake the story for fear of the reader. There are real emotions to be expressed, and you do a good job.
Thank you. You've helped.
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