You know, Hazou's misunderstanding of Akane's breakup is perfectly in character now, but it would have been massively out of character earlier in the story. There really is an absolutely massive difference between Hazou's characterization in, say, chapter 30, and Hazou as he is now. I mean, consider how deftly Hazou handled Noburi, or how he used to basically do Inoue's job for her, both in the sense that he was the actual decision-maker of the party, and in that he was the person who went around handling everyone else's emotions. He didn't do a perfect job of either of those, but he was a lot better at it than he is now. It's sort of annoying to watch every other character grow and improve as Hazou slowly becomes less and less capable. Eh, maybe it's just that all the other characters grew, and Hazou didn't, so he looks worse by comparison. But still, the difference grates.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Oneiros seems to have an adversarial view of politics.
Cariyaga
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Yeah, like after the Hot Springs Incident...
I suppose we could vote to have Hazou think about this, and make a concerted effort to reverse this degradation? I don't know... I just really dislike reading socially-incompetent characters.
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Because if we Court Hinata we will alienate Neji. Can't have both at the same time. I think Neji being our minion has higher upside than being sorta friends with Hinata. If you want to go full on seduce Hinata I'd probably support it
Alienate what? I don't think Neiji has an expectation of us snubbing Hinata.
Emstar
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Rock Lee:
TYS: 3
SoY: 27
FP: 1025
Trouble: Awkward Innuendo
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Can we just become besties with Lee? IC he may be annoying, but the guy has this clarity of purpose that is almost dauntingly absolute.
Like, he exists to punch the shit out of things and scream about youth, and is perfectly content with that.
We could use some simplicity in our social interactions.
TYS: 3
SoY: 27
FP: 1025
Trouble: Awkward Innuendo
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Can we just become besties with Lee? IC he may be annoying, but the guy has this clarity of purpose that is almost dauntingly absolute.
Like, he exists to punch the shit out of things and scream about youth, and is perfectly content with that.
We could use some simplicity in our social interactions.
Cariyaga
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Is SoY Spirit of Youth?
Vecht
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Order of magnitude?
Cariyaga
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Honestly, as much as I agree, I really don't want to spend more time on this right now. We've spent the past three updates trying and failing to deal with Hazou's head being up his ass over Akane. I just want to do something now.
Emstar
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Yes. Flat buff to Taijutsu rolls.Is SoY Spirit of Youth?
*closes out QM docs*
*logs out of terminal*
*lightly saunters out of Google HQ*
Didn't you get the memo on the new mechanic?
DarkSideBard
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Delurking!
God, shit. Fuck. Took that one right to the awkward teens. Oomph.
...well, part of the reason I still follow this quest is that you do deliver on the "oomph". Regardless of how often it seems to create protracted series of metagame arguments with players.
Echoing what @Roomba said earlier, that's not properly simulationist. The game framework here exists to allow us to play the game faithfully, but the degree of simulationism necessary to present a truly difficult and immersive questing experience makes metagaming like this non-viable.
I think a compromise might be growing into a new aspect—Hazō can take deliberate action to mitigate his social weakness over time, but this focus might uncover or reveal another FP.
God, shit. Fuck. Took that one right to the awkward teens. Oomph.
...well, part of the reason I still follow this quest is that you do deliver on the "oomph". Regardless of how often it seems to create protracted series of metagame arguments with players.
Echoing what @Roomba said earlier, that's not properly simulationist. The game framework here exists to allow us to play the game faithfully, but the degree of simulationism necessary to present a truly difficult and immersive questing experience makes metagaming like this non-viable.
I think a compromise might be growing into a new aspect—Hazō can take deliberate action to mitigate his social weakness over time, but this focus might uncover or reveal another FP.
TaliesinSkye
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What about a compulsive need to make lists? That could come up frequently but be unlikely to make any horrible enemies.
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The way we should turn Neji is by having him become disillusioned with the Hyūga clan. Make seem like we are the only people who respect him. If we are being great buddies with Hinata it eliminates that line. We'd be giving up securing Neji as a minion that way.
You have to think of this like High School. Trying to befriend the popular kids means you won't be best friends with the goths
Emstar
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I have no idea why @MadScientist thinks it'ss permissible to change as aspect of Hazō's characterization without actually doing any work to actually change it.
In fact, Y'know what? This has been a long time coming:
[X] Action Plan: A Contest of Eternal Rivals
Any compels in this chapter should be avoided by spending FP.
Uh...? I don't? Dunno where you got that from...?
[X] Action Plan: A Contest of Eternal Rivals
Any compels in this chapter should be avoided by spending FP.
- Hazou remembers that he used to be somewhat good at dealing with people -- at least near the start of his missing nin career, but this seems to have degraded horribly and that scares him. He spends some time considering this.
- Making a resolution to improve, Hazou realises he can kill two chakra beasts with one kunai, and hatches a plan to improve himself and make Lee more tolerable all at once.
- Hazou spars with Lee. After the spar, Hazou takes him aside for a private conversation.
- Hazou shares his fears about his alarming number of social failings in recent times, displaying incompetence.
- Subtlety will go over Lee's head. Hazou tells him outright that his speech patterns are making people uncomfortable, as they interpret many of his phrases as homoerotic innuendo. This is a social failing on Lee's part, also a display of incompetence.
- But incompetence can be overcome. Hazou challenges Lee to a contest of eternal rivals of who can improve their empathy and social grace the best.
- Continue the previous plan in addition to this scene.
Uh...? I don't? Dunno where you got that from...?
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TaliesinSkye
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I do like that idea. It could get him in trouble, but at least it'd be worthwhile trouble.
Edit: I do worry a little bit about the Condor situation, though. I'm not sure it's fixable.
Emstar
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@MadScientist
If you add in that Hazou and Lee christen this new and most solemn rivalry by beating the living shit out of each other in a spar, I'll do it.
If you add in that Hazou and Lee christen this new and most solemn rivalry by beating the living shit out of each other in a spar, I'll do it.
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I support this, though not 'Imma make a seal that'll fix everything' Savior Syndrome, but 'I'm going to fix everything and everything that's ever wrong is a personal failure'. Plenty of emotional moments, and good room for Compels as Hazou tries to save everyone every time, with room for some Invokes for Hazou getting people to believe that he's honest about uplift.
It's still a Trouble, but I like it.
I seem to recall a isolation of a certain clan leading to treasonous thoughts?
If that's what it takes.
Cariyaga
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Reverse the order with Lee. Share in vulnerability with him before talking to him about his lack of social graces.