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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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firestorm440 said:
Oxygen deprivation can cause permanent brain damage, it's one of the major mechanisms of damage of strokes.

I somehow doubt the Kages present would appreciate the return of brain-damaged genin.
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I don't think we'd take it nearly that far.

We could like, forcefeed them pangolin peppers or something. That's on the same level of psychological warfare.
 
Hey.

Hey.

We have the opportunity to interrogate foreign ninja on their techniques.

Keiko has the opportunity to interrogate foreign competitors on their techniques.
 
We shouldn't force-feed the peppers to them. We should be rubbing them into their eyes.

...would that cause permanent blindness?
 
Look I just want something reasonable Keiko can use with her relatively high intimidation score

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I think peppers work as a fallback but its really not too important...
 
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I think interrogating them for what their techniques are could work plenty well. I'm fairly certain that Keiko could give us citations to the letter of instances it has been allowed in the past.
 
Cariyaga said:
I think interrogating them for what their techniques are could work plenty well. I'm fairly certain that Keiko could give us citations to the letter of instances it has been allowed in the past.
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I think that takes too much time. The point of this is to quickly gain some more chakra, some good info regarding the traps and defenses or key location and then kick the T&I buildings walls down and get what we need.
 
MMKII said:
I think that takes too much time. The point of this is to quickly gain some more chakra, some good info regarding the traps and defenses or key location and then kick the T&I buildings walls down and get what we need.
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Yeah, but during the second event we're rewarded for capturing them.

e: Also, it lasts 24 hours. We don't have much to worry about as far as time goes once we take everyone out.
 
Cariyaga said:
Yeah, but during the second event we're rewarded for capturing them.

e: Also, it lasts 24 hours. We don't have much to worry about as far as time goes once we take everyone out.
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Oh wow, thats way more time then I thought. For some reason I thought the Rounds would only be 9 hours. This is great! We have so much time to punch everyone.
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
No seriously, did Henge get eaten already?
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What's henge?

Enjou said:
I still want clarification on that Severe Consequences rule. The QM silence on it is kind of damning. Then again, the rules may change a bit when the update drops.
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I haven't been able to connect with the others to discuss specifics, but the idea is that Severe consequences are discouraged and the rules will reflect that. You should plan against inflicting them.

Anderein said:
Better Off Forgotten
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I'm tempted to canonize this, because it's brilliant. I think we probably won't, for a variety of reasons -- letting that privacy seal into existence would be a bad plan, the implications of Hazō knowing this would be bad, etc -- but it's still brilliant.

Anderein said:
I'm almost one of the greatest sealmasters in the world,
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Did you mean to have that 'almost'?

Cariyaga said:
All of the details about Banshee seals and Banshee Fuckers aside, I would suggest figuring out what level of effectiveness you guys want either of them to have and setting the decibels accurately. @eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail

After all, it's not like Hazou knew "150 db" -- he was just going for "pops eardrums".
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I've got a proposal in QM chat about this. We'll let you know as soon as we manage to sync up.

Cariyaga said:
No, we're not getting them to tell us how to use them. We're getting them to tell us what they are, for use during the exams.

@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail Would that be kosher by Chuunin Exams standards?
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HDK

MMKII said:
Look I just want something reasonable Keiko can use with her relatively high intimidation score
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You mean aside from the platoon of shed-sized armored killing machines standing behind her?
 
eaglejarl said:
You mean aside from the platoon of shed-sized armored killing machines standing behind her?
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At this point in the plan we won't have a "platoon". Just two or so, and hopefully one of those is staying out of sight doing other stuff.

But I see your point.

Re: Consequences, duly noted.
 
@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail There's this really weird thing in our character sheets called 'Transformation', I was wondering when we got it? Because I don't recall us ever getting a Transformation technique, and wonder if it's meant to be a 'Disguise' skill that was put in the wrong place.
 
faflec said:
@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail There's this really weird thing in our character sheets called 'Transformation', I was wondering when we got it? Because I don't recall us ever getting a Transformation technique, and wonder if it's meant to be a 'Disguise' skill that was put in the wrong place.
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@eaglejarl @OliWhail @Velorien
In addition to the above, I noticed earlier that in the informational "Team Uplift Character Sheets", there is a sheet for this random person named "Akane". Why do we have this character sheet? Can this be removed from the informational, since by all accounts it shouldn't be there?
 
@eaglejarl if the grue got fed then I would advise putting something in-story that signifies this. Even if it's not that omake, it does need to be adressed that henge no longer exists, or else the rest of the story will look like it's riddled with plot-holes of the "why didn't they just use henge?" variety.
 
MadScientist said:
@eaglejarl if the grue got fed then I would advise putting something in-story that signifies this. Even if it's not that omake, it does need to be adressed that henge no longer exists, or else the rest of the story will look like it's riddled with plot-holes of the "why didn't they just use henge?" variety.
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Ooooh, it could be in the next update. Have us go to town in disguise, and have a series of humorous conversations about how bad our disguises are. Have Shin come out to mock us for being bad at disguises despite having an infiltration Jonin, and have him then put on a disguise that's just as bad as ours. :p
 
eaglejarl said:
I'm tempted to canonize this, because it's brilliant. I think we probably won't, for a variety of reasons -- letting that privacy seal into existence would be a bad plan, the implications of Hazō knowing this would be bad, etc -- but it's still brilliant.

Did you mean to have that 'almost'?
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I indeed did not mean to have that "almost"! I think it was orphaned from another sentence.

As for the variety of reasons, it was my idea, but it's your universe. If you want it, change anything and everything, I don't mind in the least. (The privacy seal was a lazy "let's let them have this conversation without putting a lot of thought into securing it," for example.) "the implications of Hazō knowing this being bad" was half the point and most of the fun, because what's one more way to put him hopelessly in over his head?

MadScientist said:
@eaglejarl if the grue got fed then I would advise putting something in-story that signifies this. Even if it's not that omake, it does need to be adressed that henge no longer exists, or else the rest of the story will look like it's riddled with plot-holes of the "why didn't they just use henge?" variety.
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This would be the other half of the point, though. Hazō knowing is a good signpost for this central feature of the setting just kind of vanishing.
 
eaglejarl said:
I've got a proposal in QM chat about this. We'll let you know as soon as we manage to sync up.
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I think I have a good enough handle on how it works, and what references to use, that if you provided a verbal description I could make the physics work as closely as possible.

If you want to play around, here is rudimentary python code to make it work a little easier (the tab indentation got eaten, but I think its pretty clear):

import numpy as np
## Settings ##
R0 = .5 #m - the initial radius of uniform seal emanation
dB0 = 200 # the uniform sound intensity within R0
groundReflect = 1 # either 0 or 1, 1 to use ground reflections
targetdB = 160 # the target threshold

## Model ##
Rn = R0
dBn = dB0
while dBn > targetdB:
Rn = 2*Rn
#dBn = dB0 + 3*groundReflect + 20*np.log10(R0 / Rn) + .001*(R0 - Rn) # 200 Hz
#dBn = dB0 + 3*groundReflect + 20*np.log10(R0 / Rn) + .7*(R0 - Rn) # 20000 Hz
dBn = dB0 + 3*groundReflect + 20*np.log10(R0 / Rn) + 8*(R0 - Rn) # 200000 H

Rlo = Rn/2
Rhi = Rn
while abs(dBn - targetdB) > 1e-6:
if dBn < targetdB:
Rhi = Rn
else:
Rlo = Rn
Rn = (Rlo+Rhi)/2
#dBn = dB0 + 3*groundReflect + 20*np.log10(R0 / Rn) + .001*(R0 - Rn) # 200 Hz
#dBn = dB0 + 3*groundReflect + 20*np.log10(R0 / Rn) + .7*(R0 - Rn) # 20000 Hz
dBn = dB0 + 3*groundReflect + 20*np.log10(R0 / Rn) + 8*(R0 - Rn) # 200000 H

print('The wave attenuates to {} dB at {} meters from the seal'.format(dBn, Rn))

Edit: I've also recently found some references that tell me that 193ish dB is the maximum in s.s.l. air without distortion, so lowering the dB from 200 to 190 and raising the radius might be necessary for a good single combat kill-seal.
 
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Considering the likely team arrangements with regard to Leaf.

I consider it probable that one of the two teams we will face will be leaf, but very improbable that both teams will be leaf.
- Of course one will. However, more than one will scream impartiality in the set-up, and would likely get vetoed. If it were to go through, I suspect Jiraiya could leverage minor concessions from third parties with regard to Mist.

I consider it probable that there will be 2 teams with leaf on both red and blue sides.
- 1 red and 3 blue, or vice-versa seems somewhat impartial. Additionally, because I do not believe we will face 2 leaf teams, 3 teams on one side would give us additional insight we otherwise wouldn't have (though it could be incorrect)​

I consider it slightly more probable than not that the other round one red team with leaf will be the mixed team.
- Slightly tenser build up during the two hour initial window

I consider it probable that the team we will face is team Kurenai, and if not, then team Asuma
- Likely known that team Kurenai is more likely to impartially attempt to eliminate us. Both Kurenai and Asuma are high scoring teams - would guarantee loss ofr traitors or relative lowering of high scoring Leaf team.

I consider it probable that we will face team the leaf team in round 1
- During the recovery day, additional tension because inevitably one of the teams has hard feelings. Both teams more likely to mess up in second round.

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These beliefs lead me to 8 general combinations from the 3 binary options
Face Kurenai or Asuma (67% - 33%)
Face Leaf first or second round (75% - 25%)
Random Leaf on Blue or Red on first round (40% - 60%)

I will follow through with consideration of what we can do with scores for different combinations. Do we have other beliefs I should incorporate?

I have been convinced by @Sentient Tree that the Moderate Consequence plan is superior to the Severe Consequence plan numerically. I believe we can sacrifice some points for Asuma/Kurenai/Other Leaf guy and still get the 400/450 pt advantage needed to return to the lead. Can probably sacrifice more and still be in top 16. Will do proper analysis when I'm sure I have broad enough coverage to proceed.
 
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