What do you think Mist expect first place to earn, exactly?
And why would the amount of points we earn, which was the result of Yazuka buying out everything and probably overpaid, be the representative example of 'first place'?
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What do you think Mist expect first place to earn, exactly?
And why would the amount of points we earn, which was the result of Yazuka buying out everything and probably overpaid, be the representative example of 'first place'?
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I don't have any expectations for the amount of points possible to earn because this event skews any impressions of that I might have had. I mean, if last event caps out at around 200 points, and this one at around 800 points, does that mean the next event will cap at 3200 points? Or 1400 points?
I have no idea.
And as far as that goes, we got a lot of money at once, yeah, but we're not doing anything with it, whereas other teams very well might.
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If that happened it would be fairly obvious why and rigging the exams that obviously is not going to be politically convenient for Mist.
Why would this event deserve way more points than the last event? It would be weird if later events becomes 'increasingly' important, drowning out all earlier effort to the point that early failure in the exam don't really matter.
What resources and capabilities do other team in which they can leverage the use of money? Is it something that we could use?
@eaglejarl it would be great if you could extend the discussion time, if only to discuss the differences in our models.
So, here's a question my paranoid mind is considering - what goods were the proctors for other teams given to sell? This is an event where Mist can give an advantage to their own teams by assigning proctors with easy to sell goods, and disadvantage others by giving them hard to sell goods (like drugs, in our case). We can presume this is no doubt the case. But another consideration is whether or not each team was given the same value amount of goods. Would Mist also advantage their own teams by not only giving them easier to sell goods, but a larger stock to sell from? On the other hand, if every Mist team over-performs due to something like this, it'd be a sign of some kind of overt favoritism, which would likely get complaints from the other villages participating - Mist has to at least appear to be objective.
Oh, one other thing - stealing the goods/money of other teams was considered as a way to boost our own score, but that would be invalid by the rules since it'd be us giving money/goods to the client.
Relevant to what I just said, it may also be the case that none of the proctors expect to sell their entire stock of goods, or even come close. Karina did say they didn't want to flood the market with this event. So there may be an expectation that only a couple hundred points would generally be earned by very successful teams. Our point total should be 600 + <whatever Karina got before the big sale> +/- Karina's assessment of our team's performance, which could well be far more than anyone expected any team to be able to accrue. (and as mentioned, the yaks may have overpaid - we did bribe them with explosive seals, which are expensive for anyone who can't make them, so they may well have been able to afford to do so)
Oh, one other thing - stealing the goods/money of other teams was considered as a way to boost our own score, but that would be invalid by the rules since it'd be us giving money/goods to the client.
Relevant to what I just said, it may also be the case that none of the proctors expect to sell their entire stock of goods, or even come close. Karina did say they didn't want to flood the market with this event. So there may be an expectation that only a couple hundred points would generally be earned by very successful teams. Our point total should be 600 + <whatever Karina got before the big sale> +/- Karina's assessment of our team's performance, which could well be far more than anyone expected any team to be able to accrue. (and as mentioned, the yaks may have overpaid - we did bribe them with explosive seals, which are expensive for anyone who can't make them, so they may well have been able to afford to do so)
[X] Action Plan: Answering Questions
But first discuss with Keiko and Noburi in private about:
1) How many points do first place or top teams are expected to earn in this event? If the team earns way beyond what is possible for anybody in the exam to earn, than we won this event.
2) Did the Yak overpaid? By how much?
Afterward, follow Action Plan: Stepdown unless the team think it's critical to earn more points in order to get a spot in the tournament.
But first discuss with Keiko and Noburi in private about:
1) How many points do first place or top teams are expected to earn in this event? If the team earns way beyond what is possible for anybody in the exam to earn, than we won this event.
2) Did the Yak overpaid? By how much?
Afterward, follow Action Plan: Stepdown unless the team think it's critical to earn more points in order to get a spot in the tournament.
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from the second event.
Also even if we aren't team number one we are probably still among the top teams anyway.
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Yes, it would indeed be weird, but it's hard to tell whether that is the case or whether we're a massive outlier in this event.
As far as resources/capabilities... they could steal from other proctors and sell to their client, they could leverage unique ninja advantage of being able to move goods fast from out of city...
Yeah, it's... weird. I don't know what to think of this event's relation to the others.
Yeah, the amount of points we earn in this event vastly outweigh the first one, especially if the first place is expected to earn 100 points. It would mean that this event is severely overemphasized, six time more important than the first event if 600 points is not enough to earn us first place. That seemed unbalanced.
Is guarding/escorting a merchant is that really important of a job compared to what amount as ambush and stealth exercise in the second event?
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How woud we go about exchanging currency? Just walk up to merchants and offer to sell the non-mist-ryo stuff? Find a bank?
Didn't we exchange currency before the event? I presume we already know how.
There are likely moneychangers around, but whether they have enough on hand to actually change everything to Mist ryo is another matter. The guy who bought all the drugs did say that it'd take him a week or two to exchange the 300k equivalents.
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This presumes the exam is being run in a manner that's mostly fair. Which is entirely possible and not unlikely, considering that other teams are bound to talk about what kind of goods their clients were selling, and any obvious favoritism would no doubt end up in people lodging complaints against Mist. Hosting the exams is a prestige thing, and while some home ground advantage is inevitable (like the Mist teams knowing people in town, thus having connections to work with) any nation that showed blatant favoritism towards themselves and their allies would just end up having other groups not attend the exams.
I do find it funny that in spite of being considered traitors by the majority of the village, we still managed to get ourself a large home ground advantage by allying with the yakuza of all people.
I agree it's quite likely we weren't expected to be able to sell our entire stock. Especially our team, given the nature of what we were selling and its questionable legality. Whether that's the case for other teams is another matter.
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It probably is, honestly. We sold to the Yakuza, and got an insane amount in the process. Even the fur, gems, and spices industries aren't gonna be able to sell off at such inflated prices, and it's possible they simply didn't get as much to sell to compensate. Recall that the Exams are meant to give off the appearance of being fair.
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Man, that tally must be confusing without context. I especially appreciate the [X] DO NOT SELL SKYWALKERS vote, personally.
EDIT: Incidentally, when was the last time we checked for Genjutsu?
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[X] Do not stab yourself either.
To be hilarious.
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[X] Dispel
The false reality falls away like a curtain, revealing a small and shabby room, furnished only with a table and a bed. At said table, Orochimaru and the Mizukage are seated, seemingly absorbed in a game of cards. Beyond the narrow window, a bright and insistent glow can be glimpsed, as if the whole world caught on fire somehow.
OROCHIMARU: Hell, it's about time.
The false reality falls away like a curtain, revealing a small and shabby room, furnished only with a table and a bed. At said table, Orochimaru and the Mizukage are seated, seemingly absorbed in a game of cards. Beyond the narrow window, a bright and insistent glow can be glimpsed, as if the whole world caught on fire somehow.
OROCHIMARU: Hell, it's about time.
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What is hilarious is that the 'Drug our former headmaster' vote was less controversial than the 'Should we continue this part of the ninja olympics or stop early?' vote.
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Don't remind me.
