ClawClawBite
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Suggestions:
Panzar - defense oriented melee tank
Panoptika - high alertness combatant.
Panrakka - grappling specialist.
Pandapo - soft style martial arts to
Panopony - weapons and ranged
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Suggestions:
Panzar - defense oriented melee tank
Panoptika - high alertness combatant.
Panrakka - grappling specialist.
Pandapo - soft style martial arts to
Panopony - weapons and ranged
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Argument: That's waaaay too many close-quarters combat types. Panzar, Panoptika (?), Panrakka, Pandapo...that's 4 out of 5. It's worse when you realize that of Team Uplift, most of us are CQC types as well. Hazou, Akane, Noburi, Mari-sensei...
I agree with Panzar and maybe Panoptika (I'm not 100% on what this Pangolin is supposed to do) but the other 3 should be focused on ninjutsu.
Edit: On hindsight, Panzar may still not be a good choice unless he can make lots of bodyguard-clones, or has strong AOE defensive jutsu.
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Nothing, and I think that's a perfectly valid plan of action. My point was that naively locking ourselves into a box in an attempt to avoid certain types of attacks is relatively easy to exploit. Poison gas is also just an example, neither of these seals work against mist drain afaik.
So, box with a lid? That sounds a lot more reasonable. We definitely need multiple people on watch in order to properly manage the air dome door. Or do we just keep it open until we need it?
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Elemental Mastery works, since mist drain relies on mist, and the mist is considered to be "natural" mist (and as such is affected by temperature changes).
They can prevent the mist from reaching us in the first place. If the air domes default to on, then they can't surprise mist drain us.
We're locked into having a fort. The enclosed design makes the best of a bad situation.
I've been campaigning for an explosive-enabled escape hatch from the start.
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Thanks for the name suggestions. I should note, though, that we already have Pantsā and Panoptikon.
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I'm going to call that a maybe?
On an unrelated note, it would be pretty neat to get a technique hacking pangolin, and outsource our ideas to them like we did with Kagome.
Maybe we could get a pangolin who has ninjutsu he can use to buff us? Or would that not be any different than adding aspects?
Having a dedicated hacker developing new tricks for us, to our specifications, doesn't appeal to you?
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Honestly, I'm unsure if that's gonna work? As in, these jutsu would have a ton of advantages meaning high strain...and high chakra cost. Which, yes, is somewhat offset by Noburi; but we still have trouble because he can't chakra transfer mid-fight.
Would we need to design them with a ton of advantages, though?
ClawClawBite
Mad Engineering!
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That is what I get for the process of read posts, think in shower, respond (Clean but not double checked).
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Some of them, no. Most of them...yes, we'd want to spend the fewest number of combat rounds preparing.
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We are currently in unsecured territory and unaware of the kinds of sensory teams within the area plus what ever sensory capabilities of Mist proctors. We need to maintain information security while within Mist. I am normally one for free information flow to our allies within Leaf we just have to be more aware of our surroundings at the moment.
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IMO our strength is irrelevant to whether or not people will want to attack us. The Chunin Exams are essentially political posturing, and other villages (Mist especially, but it also applies to other villages) want to punish Leaf for what is arguably bloodline poaching. This means that they will try to screw us (Leaf in general, and Team Goketsu in particular) over at every possible opportunity, even if it may not be tacticallyw ise. Humiliating Leaf is waaaaay more important than going farther in the exams.
tl;dr Inter-village politics dictates that Leaf/Team Goketsu need to get fucked ASAP. This trumps optimizing exam performance.
I think that having the option to design jutsu however we want shouldn't ever be a disadvantage. If we're optimising for one thing and that causes problems somewhere else then it's our fault for not making well-thought out designs.
Cariyaga
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One advantage that's very useful for dealing with Strain is Adjustable Casting Time. For the whole uplift thing, we could move a jutsu from taking an instant to taking an instant to taking 12 hours and so get -90 chakra cost cost. Or just move it up to an hour or so for -56 chakra cost. However, this scales at the same rate as duration does, so it's not super useful for buffs. You can cut like 2 chakra off it by making it take seconds to cast instead of an instant, but otherwise... nah.
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Ah, also, I do support Pangolin Technique Hackers: If Vacuum Step isn't allowed to be a reflexive action, that's absolutely the first task we should set them to. Because it basically makes Kei unkillable in open terrain.
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My idea for pangolin:
P1: Stealth, taken
P2: Genjutsu
P3: Technique Hacker
P4,5: Ninjutsu Specialists
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What kind of information do you think I'm revealing? It's all widely known, maybe with the exception of Hazou being Ren's nephew. The point of that conversation isn't to reveal new information, I fully believe that at least a couple of the other rookies have figured this out for themselves already. The point is to argue that we're in real danger and that they should take the subsequent tactics discussion seriously.
I don't think this is obvious at all. Hidden Villages seemingly send large groups of Genin to the exams, and I find it hard to believe they'd all be part of a conspiracy to screw Leaf over. I fully expect most of the examinees to not give a shit about us and focus on advancing through the exams; most of them shouldn't care that much about village politics. We've also seen no indication that everyone participating has a murderboner for Leaf in general.
There's also a difference between "teams from other villages try to impede us when they have the opportunity" and "a specially assembled force attacks our fortified position during the night". The former is just general resentment, and I expect to see it primarily from Mist. The latter is a serious operation someone spent significant resources preparing; the "we don't care about exam performance" people. And I bet they're here specifically for us, the Goketsu team. I don't think we're going to see random Mist teams try to attack us during the night, they'd simply be too stupid to live, and I doubt their ability to spontaneously organize into a larger force.
At the same time, us actually pulling off our "come 'n 'ave a go if ya think ya' hard enuff!" strategy would demonstrate to the international community that Leaf is absolutely going to get away with this, so cut that shit out and fall in line.
Rules discussions are literally why I'm here
.(in that they're what finally motivated me to de-lurk and actually join the quest)
As EJ said, when you create an Aspect you make a single free tag on said Aspect, which either you can use on/by your next action, or you can give to someone else to use for/by their next action (within reason - no handing tags to people who aren't there, etc). After you've used the tag, you can keep hitting that Aspect with Fate Points like any other.
Yeah, clever use of Substitution to switch out people who've had Aspects slapped onto them would work. It only applies a -2 to your pools, which is almost always going to be less than your opponent's Aspect Bonus (which is their [skill/10, rounded up] + 1). The strict reading of the current jutsu rules suggest only the person using Substitution takes the penalty, but I suspect that's more that they hadn't written in that edge case yet and less that being used as a Substitution target is less disorienting than actually using the jutsu.
The flip side, though, is that Aspects are applied via Skill rolls, and damage is applied via Skill rolls, so unless you have some kind of advantage in creating an Aspect (by using Genjutsu to roll against a nonstandard defensive Skill, Ninjutsu that debuffs as well as attacks, or maybe something that puts Aspects on multiple targets all at once), it's usually better to just attack people. Fated to Die is a fair bit more lethal than standard Fate, so just going after their Stress tracks is usually pretty good
.As for the MEW question - probably? Zones tend to be quite large, which would make cutting one completely in half impractical, but if you're indoors or otherwise in a smaller space I don't see why it wouldn't work. I believe MEW can also be used to create cover, which would allow for explosive attacks without hitting you (unless they use enough explosives to destroy the MEW) - it'd probably mechanically count as a Block (preventing yourself from being targeted by ranged attacks).
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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I'm glad you did! You've contributed quite a bit.
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What if we have Keiko try to trade separately for a pangolin technique hacker? We can say that any techniques we jointly create are the property of both us and the pangolins?
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Wouldn't the Pangolins be doing most of the heavy lifting, though? Since none of us have Technique Hacking, and the Pangolins probably have their own version of jutsus we might want to hack (so we can't offer jutsu)?