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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Oh, proposal for Iron Nerve diplomacy or deception stuff: just make it a training technique like Akane's. Something like a 3 dice penalty to all diplomacy and deception rolls, but a 5 or 10% boost to XP gain which you can only spend on the attributes for diplomacy and deception.
 
Radvic said:
While I like the aethetic of a flying tank, do note that this offers nothing in the way of propulsion. Normal tank treads provide propulsion by exerting a force on the ground, which causes a force forward on the tank. These treads would all either be stationary or limp, neither of which will push the vehicle forward. That said, when combined with a method of propulsion, this should work, though it'll have lots of small moving parts which may fail causing the whole contraption to fail.
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Propulsion was a poor word choice. Conveyance might be better.

Kiba said:
The whole idea strike me as impractical mainly due to the shit ton of seals needed to power the thing.
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That depends on the size of the slats you use. A 5SB can secure a pretty large slat after all, and if you're using these to support a large structure that might be economical.
I'll admit it would probably be seal intensive, but the idea is to get the most bang for your buck/make it easier to swap out seals.
 
thamuzz said:
Huh, it just occurred to me that Mountain's highly formalized dating etiquette might have suited Keiko.


So, seal machine idea.
Skywalker (or 5 Seal Barrier if the structure being supported is large enough) tank treads.
You have a series of slats strung together in a loop and supported by two interior wheels with just enough slack that they can roll forward.
Each slat has a skywalker or 5SB seal attached/inscribed.
As the wheels move forward, the last seal currently supporting the structure would deactivate, allowing the wheels to roll forward far enough to present a new supporting slat, which would then activate.
Ideally the seals would be triggered by a tripwire seal (I think we have something like that) and there would be a physical structure attached to the wheels that would move to obstruct incoming seals while moving out of the line of outgoing seals.

I'm thinking this could be used for propulsion for larger structures (like, say, a flying fortress) or a way to make it easier to maintain/swap out seals.
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I've been working on blueprints for a similar idea, but gave up when it turned out skywalkers only last 20 min. For propulsion, my first idea was to make knobs on the bottom of the tank treads that fit into the interior radius of the air dome, then just use pedal power until we get impulse seals.

Unsolved problems were a mechanism to safely switch between ascent/descent and level flight, turning without breaking the seals, and getting Hazou the mechanical aptitude necessary to build it.
 
So, guys, we gonna figure out our plan for this meeting? It just feels like we're not giving it the attention it deserves, and we've got less than 24 hours to vote. (vote should close at 7AM EST tomorrow)
 
Enjou said:
So, guys, we gonna figure out our plan for this meeting? It just feels like we're not giving it the attention it deserves, and we've got less than 24 hours to vote. (vote should close at 7AM EST tomorrow)
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Me? Nah. I'm not paying enough attention to the thread to figure out anything more complicated than physics. Here's to hoping we survive!
 
Radvic said:
Me? Nah. I'm not paying enough attention to the thread to figure out anything more complicated than physics. Here's to hoping we survive!
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Not asking anyone specifically to do anything, but it seems like participation in making plans and hashing them out has dropped in the last few updates. Like, my plan's been out for 12 hours now and I haven't gotten much feedback for improvement, and the only other plan out right now doesn't currently address the thing we're actually expected to do (and is currently winning in spite of that).
 
Gonna try another plan. Main focus is on the meeting without any of the additional stuff, and maybe some post-meeting fun. Trying to keep this simple, without any additional distractions.

[X] Action Plan: Politics and Games

Goals:
  • Survive
  • Meet with the Nara clan
  • Improve relations with the Naras, and possibly Yamankas and Akimichis
Methods:
  1. Use any spare time before the meetings to get additional coaching and practice in Leaf etiquette.
    1. If Mari thinks it is a good idea, see if your minders can get some formal clothing for the team to wear in formal meetings between clans.
    2. Get any additional information you can on the Naras, including important people in the clan you aren't yet aware of. Get the same information on the Yamanakas and Akimichis as time allows.
  2. In the morning, go with Keiko to meet with Jiraiya. Discuss scheduling meetings with the Nara, both for Keiko to assess their offer and for the conversation Shikaku wants with Hazou.
    1. Ask about topics and questions that are likely to come up from the Nara side.
    2. Ask who Jiraiya suspects the Naras may have in mind to marry Keiko if she decides to go that route.
  3. Go to the meetings.
    1. Be polite.
    2. Communicate clearly, watching how you word things.
    3. Don't bring up topics like WMDs or scorch squads that would make you seem dangerous or crazy.
  4. If there is time, and Jiraiya clears it, ask Shikamaru if he and his team would like to come over to where your team is staying to have dinner, socialize, and play some board games with the team.
    1. If the Naras invite you to stay for dinner, do that instead, and give Shikamaru the invitation for a later day.
    2. If the invitation is accepted, see if Jiraiya is able to join in for dinner at least.
  5. Time allowing, add a scene of the GMs' choice.
  6. Things to talk to Jiraiya for/about. (could be done in the morning after talking about the meeting, can be done off screen)
    1. Ask Jiraiya for a book on introduction to sealing, designs of basic seals that beginner sealmasters learn, and so forth. Hazō can memorize the seals to work with it later.
    2. Ask Jiraiya if Leaf has developed something like a semaphore communication system. Communication via light or flags or some other system is not new, but is there a full system for encoding arbitrary complex messages?
      • If no, explain the notion of using flags to communicate at a distance with a predefined alphabet based on position and motion, which could be encrypted, and how that could speed up communication. Developing this with the Nara may be a good idea.
      • There are no semaphore line that we know of that exists in the EN. Everything seems to be done at ninja speed or through caravans.
        • Isn't economical probably due to chakra beasts, and the requirement of semi-isolated towers and the labor force needed to staff them.
        • That isn't necessary an issue for a line of temporary semaphore skytowers stretching from one location to another, like from Leaf to a conflict zone. With telescopes to see from one tower to another, this would allow for fast communication between central command and field command, or between different fronts.
        • Light shutters could be used instead of flags, especially at night or if telescopes aren't an option.

Ok, so, nice simple, straightforward minimum frills plan for dealing with the meeting we need to focus on right now. Inviting Shikamaru and his team over after the meeting adds some fun to the plan. EDIT - added semaphore system notion to ideas to pitch to Jiraiya.
 
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@Enjou Probably should add a line during the meeting to "avoid talking about WMDs, scorch squads, or anything that gives civilians military power over ninjas (Liberator)". Since all three of these could be construed to work against Leaf's interests, and could get us and our team killed.
 
What are the current plans?

I think part of the reason is that there seem to be very little proactive choices to make right now aside from not making an ass of ourselves in front of Shikaku

E: also things are going well and we've been explicitly told by Jiraiya not to rock the boat so I think that adds to people not being engaged in coming up with clever things right now.
 
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In addition to studying Leaf etiquette, we should get a full briefing on the Nara, as well as an 80/20 briefing on the Akimichi and Yamanaka.

There's enough variables (marriage or adoption; if marriage, choice of husband; living arrangements; information to be given up), each of which is negotiable, that we should bring Kei—who is more instrumental here than Hazo—along.

No matter how hard J briefs us, I'll be extremely surprised if he's able to give us all the information we need, so I'd like to bring J as an advisor as well.
 
faflec said:
@Enjou Probably should add a line during the meeting to "avoid talking about WMDs, scorch squads, or anything that gives civilians military power over ninjas (Liberator)". Since all three of these could be construed to work against Leaf's interests, and could get us and our team killed.
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I've added something along those lines as a precaution, though I don't think it's necessary. Doesn't hurt, though.

bayesclef said:
In addition to studying Leaf etiquette, we should get a full briefing on the Nara, as well as an 80/20 briefing on the Akimichi and Yamanaka.

There's enough variables (marriage or adoption; if marriage, choice of husband; living arrangements; information to be given up), each of which is negotiable, that we should bring Kei—who is more instrumental here than Hazo—along.

No matter how hard J briefs us, I'll be extremely surprised if he's able to give us all the information we need, so I'd like to bring J as an advisor as well.
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I was assuming Keiko was coming along given that she's one of the two people who need to meet the Naras, but I've made that more clear. Getting a brief on the Naras and their allies is a good idea so I've added it to the prep.
 
There are three topics that I can think of that the clan leader might talk about with Hazō.

  • How did you come up with the idea?
  • Why do you want to change the world?
  • What is the strategic implication of skywalkers?
 
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Vote Count said:
[] Action Plan : Meet and Greet
Votes: 5
Author: @Jello_Raptor
Voters: @Vecht, @Traiden, @Racoras, @MadScientist

[] Action Plan: Politics and Games
Votes: 5
Author: @Enjou
Voters: @thamuzz, @schlega, @faflec, @bayesclef

[] Action Plan: Meeting the Naras
Votes: 1
Author: @Enjou

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Author: @Vecht
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@Enjou have a vote and hopefully constructive criticism!

[X] Action Plan: Politics and Games

My main critique for Action Plan: Meet and Greet is that scorch squad stuff is almost certainly highly classified and it would be "rocking the boat" to start discussing it. Also hanging out with Gai's team is ignoring Jiraiya's advice, and while this seems like something very minor, it's probably best to make a good first(ish) impression with him.

My largest issue with Action Plan: Politics and Games is that it doesnt cover much time and I don't think it really moves the plot forward a ton, but that's not really the plan's fault. I'm not sure how long the update will be, but maybe throw in a "Scene of QM's choice" bit because a) they enjoy writing those and b) it will likely lead to engaging choices next update.
 
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ting said:
My main critiques for Action Plan: Meet and Greet is that scorch squad stuff is almost certainly highly classified and it would be "rocking the boat" to start discussing it. Also hanging out with Gai's team is ignoring Jiraiya's advice, and while this seems like something very minor, it's probably best to make a good first(ish) impression with him.
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Agree with you there, though it's @Jello_Raptor's plan rather than mine.

ting said:
My main issue with Action Plan: Politics and Games is that it doesnt cover much time and I don't think it really moves the plot forward a ton, but that's not really the plan's fault. I'm not sure how long the update will be, but maybe throw in a "Scene of QM's choice" bit because a) they enjoy writing those and b) it will likely lead to engaging choices next update.
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I like this idea. Will add.
 
[X] Action Plan: Politics and Games

@Enjou I do like your point (1) from the other plan and do think it would be a good idea to apprise Jiraiya of the situation wrt scorch squads and get feedback. If he is concerned (possibility: a Danzo is operating in Leaf without permission) then we have a powerful ally and potentially the ear of the Hokage. If he is unconcerned or tells us to drop it, then we leave it be until we are S Class ourselves and can actually do something about it. The seal idea is interesting too, but unimportant atm so should probably be nix'd.

Edit: Definitely definitely definitely do NOT discuss this with anyone but Jiraiya.

[-] Action Plan : Meet and Greet
Main issue is that this doesn't deal with meeting Shikaku.
 
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@Enjou I think we could be more proactive.

  • Ask Jiraiya for a book on introduction to sealing, designs of basic seals that beginner sealmasters learn, and so forth. Hazō can memorize the seals to work with it later.
  • Start working on the hot air balloon project by buying up fabrics of all kind and related crafting supply such as needles, strings, glues, etc.
  • Buy book on machines and technology.
  • Ask Jiraiya/Mari-sensei about the semaphore communication system.
    • Communication via light or flags or some other system is not new.
    • But there probably isn't a full system for encoding arbitrary complex messages.
    • There need to be a system to encode messages and means of encryption. Could work with the Nara.
    • There are no semaphore line that we know of that exists in the EN. Everything seems to be done at ninja speed or through caravans.
      • Isn't economical probably due to chakra beasts, and the requirement of semi-isolated towers and the labor force needed to staff them.
      • That isn't necessary an issue for a line of temporary semaphore skytower stretching from Fire to Water country.
 
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Vecht said:
@Enjou I do like your point (1) from the other plan and do think it would be a good idea to apprise Jiraiya of the situation wrt scorch squads and get feedback. If he is concerned (possibility: a Danzo is operating in Leaf without permission) then we have a powerful ally and potentially the ear of the Hokage. If he is unconcerned or tells us to drop it, then we leave it be until we are S Class ourselves and can actually do something about it. The seal idea is interesting too, but unimportant atm so should probably be nix'd.
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Personally I think that we should drop the notion of mentioning scorch squads for now, and focus more on the collapse of humanity hypothesis - if we can sufficiently demonstrate that there's a persistent population decline, then people will be interested in investigating the possibility of scorch squads. Until then scorch squads are just going to be seen as an idea that is plausible enough, but has no direct evidence supporting it, and having come from a source that appears dubious.

Also, Jiraiya has already had the notion of scorch squads brought up to him, and he talked to Hiruzen about it. See Chapter 78.

We could very well wait until we've got access to the Logistics division's records so Keiko can look over data, or talk to people in the division about if they've noticed the trends she noticed in Mist/Water. The entire thing is a long term concern, if it's even a legitimate problem (Mist/Water could be having a long term decline due to chronic bad leadership, and Leaf/Fire may be growing).


Kiba said:
@Enjou I think we could be more proactive.

  • Ask Jiraiya for a book on introduction to sealing, designs of basic seals that beginner sealmasters learn, and so forth. Hazō can memorize the seals to work with it later.
  • Start working on the hot air balloon project by buying up fabrics of all kind and related crafting supply such as needles, strings, glues, etc.
  • Buy book on machines and technology.
  • Ask Jiraiya/Mari-sensei about the semaphore communication system.
    • Communication via light or flags or some other system is not new.
    • But there probably isn't a full system for encoding arbitrary complex messages.
    • There need to be a system to encode messages and means of encryption. Could work with the Nara.
    • There are no semaphore line that we know of that exists in the EN. Everything seems to be done at ninja speed or through caravans.
      • Isn't economical probably due to chakra beasts, and the requirement of semi-isolated towers and the labor force needed to staff them.
      • That isn't necessary an issue for a line of temporary semaphore skytower stretching from Fire to Water country.
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I'm trying to keep the Politics and Games plan to be a simple one with minimal frills since adding a bunch of pet projects seems to be turning people off of voting for a plan, but I wouldn't have an issue adding the sealing book request and the semaphore section as miscellaneous actions if people don't mind. (ya'll speak up now!)

The buying of materials for a balloon is premature given that we're still being kept in our temporary residence for now - it's not the kind of thing we should be sending our minders out to get for us. The machines and technology book we can do at any time, but I don't think Hazou is going to have time to read it right now given we're focused on politics at the moment, and I don't expect we're going to be spending XP on MecApt any time soon.
 
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